PS4 performance on a ~£300 PC. Can it be done? (spoiler: yes)
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Terbinator
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But list wars doesn't really have anything to do with the article or what I posted.
i ment whats the point of this comparison.
surely there are ace games on pc, but there is no point in this comparison because the circumstances are different.
even if you can built a 10 times as powerful pc for 50 bucks, you still arent able to do things with it that the ps4 can. for example play bloodborne.
two different systems.
thats all im saying.
Denton
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The PSU goes inside the case. Rookie mistake, thinking a computer works without putting all the parts inside.
Maybe building a PC really is too difficult for some.
From what I remember Alienware it's more expensive compared the ps4 and even less performing without upgrade.Or, you know,
In a few months, Microsoft is literally giving people permission to pirate a copy of Windows 7/8 so that they can upgrade to a free version of Windows 10.
unapersson
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So if they've got an equivalent performance does this mean they could use this build in their multiplatform performance comparisons to get a standard PC baseline?
The Janitor
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I see. Then fair enough, in a secanrio where you only play offline and you don't already have a windows OS, the PS4 would be the cheaper option.
biglittleps
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Exactly, they can say this is an affordable PC for multiplatoform games but not PS4 replacement and it won't perform similar to PS4 after an year or two very well with all future games for sure, so then users have to update their PC but PS4 can fare well still.
Have to say that I was impressed with the Assassin's Creed test, as usually Ubisoft games are an absolute clusterfuck on PC.
Honestly, I was fairly impressed with the test overall.
I still prefer a PS4 for the exclusives and overall convenience, though. PC's can also be a huge headache, a lot of times.
And I honestly don't think you could recreate something like The Order, Uncharted 4 or even Bloodborne, with a 400€ PC.
Honestly, I was fairly impressed with the test overall.
I still prefer a PS4 for the exclusives and overall convenience, though. PC's can also be a huge headache, a lot of times.
And I honestly don't think you could recreate something like The Order, Uncharted 4 or even Bloodborne, with a 400€ PC.
TheLegendOfMart
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Nope, it will just be an unauthorised copy of Windows 10 and there is no information as to what restrictions that might bring.
But that will still show up as a non-genuine Windows. I don't know what the ramifications of that are though.
Denton
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Did you miss the $400 Dell Alpha thread here on neogaf?
And it is not really less performing. On the other hand it does have shitloads of advantages like thousands of games available, mods, full windows capability and so on.
alexandros
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They do? Let's find out. Watch Dogs face-off:
So the 750Ti offers PS4-like performance at a better resolution. Unity face-off:
Same performance as the PS4. What else you got?
And I agreed. No point buying a pc if your favourite games are on Consoles.
For me it was really only Halo and Forza, so I made the switch. Now with Assetto Corsa and Pcars, I'm just lacking a Halo. But the advantages of playing all my old console games like Wii/PS2 on my PC make up for it. Plus it's a PC that can do all the other stuff without being slow as ass like console web browsers. And there is no online fee.
The Alienware Alpha is also a good price in the USA currently.
Having 60fps in most games along with a host of other technical advantages is a huge benefit of PC gaming, but it's far from the only one. I'd argue the huge library of thousands of games, many not available anywhere else, along with the cheap price of games, is even more important. And even a cheap PC like DF is building here, will be able to run most of them.
Katana_Strikes
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No you do not. You cannot compare an compulsory OS to a completely optional and which also has no affect on specification, of an multiplayer only sub.
derExperte
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It's like almost everyone has ignored the thread about the Alienware Alpha from two days ago and just spews the usual nonsense.
That wouldn't be as useful as it sounds. The 750 ti is an entry level card. It's $150 and it doesn't even require any dedicated power. One of the more popular Alphas or Steamboxes would be a better choice.
The whole idea of owning a gaming PC is that it can be whatever you want it to be. I get the constant need to compare it price wise to consoles but that doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Or, you know,
Can I build that to a PS4 spec for £300? Because that's what this thread is about.
Unfortunately the base spec is better than the PS4, so it costs a little more.
The UK price is a rip off too.
A DF article said that. But I admit to haven't followed the last updates.
Denton
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Yes, you can order it here
http://slickdeals.net/f/7765817-alienware-alpha-compact-desktop-i3-4130t-gtx-860-400-free-shipping
it is a wonderful little machine. Twice as small as PS4 with same performance and full openness of PC on windows when it comes to software.
I agree with your point that consoles' subscription fees should be added to their platform's cost of ownership but you don't need a paid account to download updates. Scratch that argument.
As for SteamOS limiting what games you can play...so does PS4 or XBO or Windows for that matter. Difference is, you can pay for a different OS on a PC and have a wider availability of games - this type of flexibility doesn't exist on consoles.
Mind you i am a console gamer and don't own a gaming PC but I really don't understand how people try to put down PC as a platform. It's more powerful, flexible, WAY cheaper (factor price per game and online subscription fees), absolute backwards compatibility, more customizable (eye candy or performance? 30 or 60 FPS? Up to me!), the list goes on.
I happen to enjoy several console-exclusive franchises. But we all know the average gamer doesn't care about these. For the mainstream folks wanting their yearly CoD, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, FIFA fix a PC is the best platform 99/100 times. Most top-sellers are multiplatform. Many less popular titles are as well.
Defend consoles for the right reasons I guess. A simplified turn on and you're set experience, no dealing with drivers or game specific bugs, exclusive titles etc. But defending them on price/performance is a battle you can only lose
enjoy no AF on games. Choices, power to the player.
Isn't it a more powerful hardware compared the ps4? I could wrong.
Defend consoles for the right reasons I guess. A simplified turn on and you're set experience, no dealing with drivers or game specific bugs, exclusive titles etc. But defending them on price/performance is a battle you can only lose
There's no game specific bugs on consoles? Am I reading this right?
Can't even tell if sarcastic.
Refilling water? Like water cooling is a "must" for PC gaming or something.
Looks nice but the basic spec is 4GB RAM and it still costs 50% more than the PS4 in the UK. So I don't think it counts.
cyberheater
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Good luck trying to get the Alienware PC in the UK for anything like the price of a PS4.Or, you know,
Tomeru
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Sarcastic.
Usually when I turn on my PS4 it needs a system update, software update, or needs to patch a game. It's no more push to play than Steam is.
ThoseDeafMutes
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This article isn't saying "don't buy a PS4, it's useless because a 300 pound PC can match it in multiplatforms". It's not saying PS4s are obsolete. It's not saying you should feel bad for owning one. It's not even trying to persuade you that you need to buy a PC or that the PC platform is better. Everybody knows high end PCs demolish consoles, what most people don't know is that low end PCs match them, and at surprisingly affordable prices. This article is literally just that - a build guide for a PC that in the UK provides PS4 equivalent multiplatform performance. Something which some people who are price conscious but want to dip their toes into the waters of PC gaming might be interested in finding out about.
It's not even remotely hard to see what the "point" of this article is.
Which is better than the other legal Windows alternative that costs no money which is: ______
It's a moot point if Microsoft kills your ability to access Windows after a certain amount of time, but the writing's on the wall with where they're heading with the consumer versions.
Caayn
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PolarGamer
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How do we know this cheap PC has the same oomph as a PS4?
I thought one of the advantages of a console is that devs can extract more performance since they (if a game is exclusive at least) only program for one set of drivers/hardware.
My PC master race friend who uses 970s or something in SLI commended PS4 gfx and said it kinda came close to his system. It is way more expensive than the machine described in the OT.
And if this is correct, isn't this whole thread worthless, as many are pointing out?
I thought one of the advantages of a console is that devs can extract more performance since they (if a game is exclusive at least) only program for one set of drivers/hardware.
My PC master race friend who uses 970s or something in SLI commended PS4 gfx and said it kinda came close to his system. It is way more expensive than the machine described in the OT.
And if this is correct, isn't this whole thread worthless, as many are pointing out?
unapersson
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All these suggest to me is that developers still aren't quite used to targeting the actual power level of the consoles. Things should get better with time.
Prophet Steve
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No the performance difference isn't a lot and your friend is wrong.
And you can compare by seeing how the same games run and look.
Your friend is just making you feel better, as any good friend would.
Your first point is valid however. There is some effect like this on PC, such as DX12, but it's slower to take effect and has less impact.
Clarkus Darkus
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Is it as quiet as my white ps4?
Does it come with a controller?
it blatantly states some games had texture issues which they carefully didnt elaborate upon.
Also the PC doesnt have remote play, Doesnt have share play and more importantly doesnt have bloodborne so why anyone would choose a budget PC over these consoles is beyond me.
This PC will get left behind in 2 years and will need updated components again.
Does it come with a controller?
it blatantly states some games had texture issues which they carefully didnt elaborate upon.
Also the PC doesnt have remote play, Doesnt have share play and more importantly doesnt have bloodborne so why anyone would choose a budget PC over these consoles is beyond me.
This PC will get left behind in 2 years and will need updated components again.
Oh there's plenty. But there's a different between a bug in your game that you need to wait to get patched and a PC situation where the issue can stem from the game or from your drivers or your configuration. There's a troubleshooting process with multiple potential culprits. Benefit? There might be a solution that doesn't involve waiting helplessly for a patch.
If you have to update your PS4 every time you turn it on you don't turn it on very often man. Don't know what else to say
Alex
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Years back, absolutely, but lately I can't totally agree on the whole. Personally I just know far more people who go primary on PC purely the huge swaths of less demanding original titles or the near bottomless back catalogue. Some folks like to act like tech is the backbone of PC but it's really not, it's diversity and choice.
Modest, luxury and anything in between, that's the strength of the platform: an unending software library that you can approach and customize in any way you see fit. Even just on Steam I have a very large friends list who all take their games very differently.
Search Limelight Android in regards to remote play.
No controller, but I guess most have DS3 or 360 pads to use. It also supports all older controllers/wheels/joysticks/fight stick that consoles always cut off.
My PC is silent. PS4 is loud to me.
That's not "all you're saying". Everyone on an enthusiast forum knows that some systems have some games exclusive to that platform. All you did was put out the usual fanboy list wars crap to muddy the discussion, the same garbage that comes up every time someone feels threatened that so many multiplatform titles on PC are dispelling the 99% bullshit that is "coding to the metal" or "b-b-b-but optimisations!!!". So you circle the wagons around exclusive titles that will never appear on other platforms, which are therefore never going to be compared against a PC version. Easier to do that than face the reality of cheap PC parts in a box turning out to perform remarkably similar to...cheap PC parts in a different box.
And to all the rest of you who are trying to pull out "gotcha!!"'s like controller, OS costs etc, you're completely missing the point, which is that PC performance/$ is meeting that of the consoles already in this generation, despite the historical advantages that subsidised hardware were supposedly offering as a trade off of a closed system. With costs decreasing like this, the ability to release Steam Machines with console-beating specs at competitive prices becomes trivial by 2016 onwards. At that point you have systems with a controller, a free OS and a living-room friendly form factor that are matching or exceeding console specs within $100-$200 of a console's price range. We are starting to enter the sweet spot of price/performance/convenience Valve and co are aiming Steam Machines at.
KillerMan91
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Just shows that Sony absolutely makes nice amount of money from current price of PS4 if you can already build as powerful PC. There will be price drop this year.
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