PS4 performance on a ~£300 PC. Can it be done? (spoiler: yes)

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jmga said:
Why always ignoring PC exclusives? Do you know they exist, right?
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I very well do, as a matter of fact I play several of them myself. But they're basically two types: retro-looking indies and such you can play on a toaster or high end stuff you'll want a beefier machine for. If you do find yourself inbetween, then there's more to be had on consoles unless you're a strategy RPG or MMO fan.
 
Mendax said:
yeah but there are even less (per year) than there are xbox exclusives. so negligible^2...
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I never can tell whether posts like this are serious :/

Just in case anyone actually is serious, PC has more exclusives in any given month than the consoles have in a year.

jono51 said:
Bloodborne, THE LAST OF US, 30fps is fine, drivers, upgrades, viruses, the cost of cables and antistatic wrist bands, PC has no exclusives except RTS, I've never heard of Pillars of Eternity, plug'n'play, I can't rearrange my living room now I have $400 of amiibo's, nvidia salt, Mark Cerny optimization, the PC won't last 5 years, XBL/PSN is better than steam, I can't build a PC, I like form factors that are as small as PS4 but Alienware alpha is too small, Steam is anti-consumer, I only play niche jrpgs of which there are 3 a year, I can't max everything on a $300 PC, the human eye can only detect graphical differences between PS4 and XBONE.
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Bravo. I especially like the wristbands, that was an amazing thread.
 
Can a ~£300 PC run Bloodborne? (Spoiler: no)

Can a ~£300 PC provide PSN party chat? (Spoiler: no)

I get why this sort of comparison/analysis is done so often, but both myself and literally everyone I know that has purchased a PS4 did so for two reasons: games and ecosystem. A few of them have high-performance PCs and they could care less about the PS4's internals.
 
FunkyDealer said:
I very well do, as a matter of fact I play several of them myself. But they're basically two types: retro-looking indies and such you can play on a toaster or high end stuff you'll want a beefier machine for. If you do find yourself inbetween, then there's more to be had on consoles unless you're a strategy RPG or MMO fan.
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Soooooo far off. You are correct, however, if you do want to ignore complete genres.
 
Yep, I knew this would turn into insanity.

Article about how you can make a cheap PC as good as the PS4
People pointing out the obvious that it can't play PS4 exclusives
People then explaining that PC has exclusives too ...

... weird and insane.
 
If you can build a better oc with just a few more bucks, why bother with this?
Yes you can pad yourself in the back for having this but and then what?
On Demand said:
Why the obsession with building a PC with console specs all of a sudden? I don't get it.
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A lot of people here foolishly believe consoles are directly competing with PC and they need to feel assure that pc is superior. Which is find except that you need consoles in other for the gaming market to be healthy.

The sad thing is that build will go out of date significantly faster than the console in the long run.
 
On Demand said:
Why the obsession with building a PC with console specs all of a sudden? I don't get it.
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Many people think PC gaming gives you much less value when you initially buy it than the consoles. Things like this show that isn't really the case.

FunkyDealer said:
I very well do, as a matter of fact I play several of them myself. But they're basically two types: retro-looking indies and such you can play on a toaster or high end stuff you'll want a beefier machine for. If you do find yourself inbetween, then there's more to be had on consoles unless you're a strategy RPG or MMO fan.
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Ah yes.

Let's ignore the non-retro looking indie games, strategy games, MOBA games, simulation games and anything else that would not fit for the sake of your argument.

Because are there really that many good console excusives?
 
GribbleGrunger said:
Why would I want to play PC exclusives on my PS4? This is an article about making a PC as powerful as a PS4 on the cheap. It's pointless and stupid. I bought a PS4 to play PS4 exclusives, the power is just a bonus.
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You miss so much if You dont play other games than PS4 only, but its Your choice of course.
What are You doing in this thread again? You clearly know the point of the article and You know You are not a target, so why?

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GribbleGrunger said:
Yep, I knew this would turn into insanity.

Article about how you can make a cheap PC as good as the PS4
People pointing out the obvious that it can't play PS4 exclusives
People then explaining that PC has exclusives too ...

... weird and insane.
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How is it insane? Most people play multiplatform titles on their consoles, actually multiplatform titles are a majority of games that their own.
 
HariKari said:
Usually when I turn on my PS4 it needs a system update, software update, or needs to patch a game. It's no more push to play than Steam is.
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Leave the ps4 in rest mode and the game/system updates will be downloaded when you turn it on. Also system updates can wait if you dont need the online functionality at that time. Same for game updates. When you do install the updates they are very fast.
 
Fitts said:
Can a ~£300 PC run Bloodborne? (Spoiler: no)

Can a ~£300 PC provide PSN party chat? (Spoiler: no)

I get why this sort of comparison/analysis is done so often, but both myself and literally everyone I know that has purchased a PS4 did so for two reasons: games and ecosystem. A few of them have high-performance PCs and they could care less about the PS4's internals.
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It is not about you and the people you know. Can your PS4 provide free online gaming? can you ps4 provide backward capabilities? can your ps4 games be cheaper than pc? can you ps4 provide steam chat? can you ps4 provide mouse and key board?

list goes on and on. So stop with this nonsense.

that is not the point of this article.

they built a rig for same price as PS4, comparing multiplatform games and how well the performance fairs
 
silvermember said:
A lot of people here foolishly believe consoles are directly competing with PC and they need to feel assure that pc is superior. Which is find except that you need consoles in other for the gaming market to be healthy.

The sad thing is that build will go out of date significantly faster than the console in the long run.
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yes thats exactly what is happening here, the PC defense force just swooped right in
 
laxu said:
Is there much point in building a PC like this anyway? With PC the benefit is that it can run at much higher settings and framerates than the PS4. .
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Well no. Most of the time the reason people buy a PC is because they need a PC. Being able to play games is a bonus.

Many people will need to buy a PC anyway. Even if it is a laptop.
I don't own a PS or Xbox. I can't justify spending money on another console but buying a new computer makes sense. Most pre builts (non gaming PC's) are roughly that price anyway.

So, instead of buying a PC that can only do internet and word proccessing, I bult mine, currently with an HD7850 and an i5 proccessor. Wasn't that much, in fact I just upraded over time. I can play everything that I want to without the added cost of a console.
 
FunkyDealer said:
I very well do, as a matter of fact I play several of them myself. But they're basically two types: retro-looking indies and such you can play on a toaster or high end stuff you'll want a beefier machine for. If you do find yourself inbetween, then there's more to be had on consoles unless you're a strategy RPG or MMO fan.
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So where do PoE, Cities Skylines, Civ and the Total War series fit in? To name only a select few popular exclusives that would run perfectly fine on this PC.
 
gai_shain said:
yes thats exactly what is happening here, the PC defense force just swooped right in
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Funny guy.
The very premise of the article and subsequently this topic supports my premise.

I mean the original article could have easily said how to build a pc for 300 euro and yet it did not.
 
Buying a PC that matches console performance sounds like a complete waste of time and money. Even if you're that strapped for cash you're better off with a console.
 
KKRT00 said:
You miss so much if You dont play other games than PS4 only, but its Your choice of course.
What are You doing in this thread again? You clearly know the point of the article and You know You are not a target, so why?

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How is it insane? Most people play multiplatform titles on their consoles, actually multiplatform titles are a majority of games what their own.
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Why is it insane? Why the frigin' hell would you want to match the specs of a PS4 if you then can't play games that are on the PS4? Why even bother looking at it like that? Why wouldn't you just make a 'cheap PC'? I bought a PS4 for PS4 games. I'm assuming that people buy PCs for PC games, just like people buy XB1 for XB1 games and the WiiU for WiiU games. This is as insane as advising people to buy the WiiU because it's a cheaper alternative to the PS4 and then when people say 'but I can't play PS4 games on it' they'll told 'but the WiiU has exclusives too.' Can't you see how completely messed up that logic is?

It's all because of the PC fans obsession with power and the misinterpretation that power is all you need to prove the PS4 isn't really needed.
 
Fitts said:
Can a ~£300 PC run Bloodborne? (Spoiler: no)

Can a ~£300 PC provide PSN party chat? (Spoiler: no)

I get why this sort of comparison/analysis is done so often, but both myself and literally everyone I know that has purchased a PS4 did so for two reasons: games and ecosystem. A few of them have high-performance PCs and they could care less about the PS4's internals.
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The article is about if a cheap pc can match the performance of ps4 in games and they tested the multiplatform ones as a common ground.
There are people actually find this useful since multiplatform games are the vast majority and people see a gaming pc as a good alternative since it has cheaper games.

Also what is wrong with pc ecosystem? Steam is great and you have lots of programms for voice chat (steam, ventrilo, skype, teamspeak..)
 
Still... you could get PS4's performance for such a price as DF says, but as time passes the performance of this PC would get worse as developers wouldn't optimize for these specs as time passes, whereas PS4's performance will get better and better as time passes because the tools keep improving and devs will optimize more and more due to the nature of the closed systems :)
 
Netrunner2k2 said:
Do you mean this in the sense that the consoles won't be out of date until a new console comes out?
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I mean a ps4 will still play ps4 games, a pc of that power will not still play pc games, or will but with significantly decrease performance compared to the ps4 over the same time period.
 
GribbleGrunger said:
Why is it insane? Why the frigin' hell would you want to match the specs of a PS4 if you then can't play games that are on the PS4? Why even bother looking at it like that? Why wouldn't you just make a 'cheap PC'? I bought a PS4 for PS4 games. I'm assuming that people buy PCs for PC games, just like people buy XB1 for XB1 games and the WiiU for WiiU games. This is as insane as advising people to buy the WiiU because it's a cheaper alternative to the PS4 and then when people say 'but I can't play PS4 games on it' they'll told 'but the WiiU has exclusives too.' Can't you see how completely messed up that logic is?
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MULTIPLATFORM TITLES.

PC offers PC exclusives and better versions of multiplatform titles, its that simple. And of course all PC gaming benefits.
 
I don't get these arguments either. The majority of PC exclusives (or games preferable on PC such as CSGO) don't require anything fancy to begin with. And not only will this build not really last as this gen goes on, the consoles will get cheaper too, making it even more pointless.

EDIT: For the argument of "PC does everything else too..." well, yeah, it does. But everything else doesn't really require a gaming PC.
 
derExperte said:
So where do PoE, Cities Skylines, Civ and the Total War series fit in? To name only a select few popular exclusives that would run perfectly fine on this PC.
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He already discounted 3 major genres, so PoE,Civ and Total War don't count :P

Only cinematic first/third person action games count as true exclusives.
 
derwalde said:
How many fps has Bloodborne on this rig?
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How many does Pillars of Eternity get on the PS4? You don't want to go down the list wars route here. PS4 might have a couple of good exclusives, but if someone were to list all the pc exclusives, you'd still be reading the post in an hour. And bear in mind they can run pretty much every pc game going back to around 2000.
 
gai_shain said:
yes thats exactly what is happening here, the PC defense force just swooped right in
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Are you saying those defensive of the PS4 didn't?

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When it's getting to the point when there are some people who aren't bothering to actually read the fucking thread title or simply just ignore the opening post and just go on and post something the equivalent to

Can your PC run PS4 exclusive "insert name", can it also do "insert PS4 specific feature" and so forth.

Then there is no discourse for actual constructive discussion from those that choose willful ignorance.
 
silvermember said:
I mean a ps4 will still play ps4 games, a pc of that power will not still play pc games, or will but with significantly decrease performance compared to the ps4 over the same time period.
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Which is fine when those games don't exist on the ps4 for that comparison to be made anyway. As is evidenced by this thread, apparently people think that PC games somehow only constitute console games. And here I am (due to circumstance) happily playing the latest PC games with a 4 year old laptop that is easily worse than a PS4.

The assumption that all PC gamers can be painted with the same brush and assumed to not play with lower fidelity / performance is also a rather strange assumption when there are plenty of people that do it
 
Fitts said:
Can a ~£300 PC run Bloodborne? (Spoiler: no)

Can a ~£300 PC provide PSN party chat? (Spoiler: no)

I get why this sort of comparison/analysis is done so often, but both myself and literally everyone I know that has purchased a PS4 did so for two reasons: games and ecosystem. A few of them have high-performance PCs and they could care less about the PS4's internals.
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This is a great example of cherry picking. I can I try the formula?

Can a PS4 run Pillars of Eternity? (Spoiler: no)
Can an Xbox One run Bloodborne? (Spoiler: no)
Can a PS4 run Dead Rising 3? (Spoiler: no)
Can an Apple Watch run Super Mario 64? (Spoiler: no)
Can a Christopher Cross run like the wind? (Spoiler: no)
etc.

What I'm trying to say is that your point does not relate to the matter at hand, and that you are basing the supposedly inherent superiority of the PS4 solely on what you consider to be a positive aspect of it. Which is fine for you and your buying decisions, but that doesn't change the fact that you can get a mostly identically-performing PC for around the same price that you would pay for a PS4.
 
Killing_Joke said:
Buying a PC that matches console performance sounds like a complete waste of time and money. Even if you're that strapped for cash you're better off with a console.
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That's not the point of this article. This is merely to educate people on what they're getting in terms of performance when they buy a console, or a PC at certain budget points. This is a tech article.

But technically speaking there's a subscription fee on your console, PC games are cheaper, and there are far more games on PC, current releases included. So no, if you're strapped for cash you'll get more mileage out of something like this.
 
Killing_Joke said:
Buying a PC that matches console performance sounds like a complete waste of time and money. Even if you're that strapped for cash you're better off with a console.
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It's arguable. Most PC exclusives are designed to run on as many systems as possible to pull in the largest demographic.

I know most of you guys don't pay attention to PC exclusives as they generally don't have a marketing budget to speak of. There are a wealthbof compelling games on the platform and they come out damn near constantly.
Hell, Pillars of Eternity and Cities Skylines came out within the same month.
 
Since both consoles use 6-7 CPU cores and DX12 seems to emphasize better multicore utilization, do you think we'll see requirements for greater numbers of CPU cores for PC games over the next few years? I may be off base here because I don't know much about this sort of thing.
 
BeforeU said:
It is not about you and the people you know. Can your PS4 provide free online gaming? can you ps4 provide backward capabilities? can your ps4 games be cheaper than pc? can you ps4 provide steam chat? can you ps4 provide mouse and key board?

list goes on and on. So stop with this nonsense.

that is not the point of this article.

they built a rig for same price as PS4, comparing multiplatform games and how well the performance fairs
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No reason to be upset. I stated that recognized the reasoning behind these kinds of studies in my original post. And yes, of course every platform has its positives and (comparative) negatives. At the same time, write ups in this vein often undermine the actual reason why many choose to purchase a console and imply that it is done so out of ignorance. It's not and I provided a 41-person (the number of real life friends I currently have on PSN who own PS4s) plot point.

Edit: and for anyone stating that chat options on PC are superior and more varied than those on console you're correct. However, if the former provides access to 5 individuals who choose to use it while the latter is used by 41 the preference is obvious.
 
SgtCobra said:
Nothing worse than console vs PC warz, when someone from the PS4 camp says something there's always a PC player ready to counter it and vice versa.
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The problem with these threads is the endless array of outlandish statements that are not true of either platform, and so many people ready to counter. Often when people actually agree, less people actually post to confirm that
 
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