That is bad editing. Time travel doesn't work like that in the marvel universe.
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That is bad editing. Time travel doesn't work like that in the marvel universe.
Coriolanus
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Silly Slayven, Bendistech needs not Von Doom particles to travel through time and defecate on continuity.
Next you'll be saying Nova aint called Richard Ryder.
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Silver lining about all this bendistravel nonsense is that it perfectly exemplifies why the previous marvel time travel rules were so important.
Plus you prolly got people like al ewing foaming at the mouth when they see all that kinda noise.
Whatever, Bendis will backpedal on the whole alternate universe thing with a few word bubbles, there's no way they're going to stick with Young Bobby being gay and Old Bobby still straight with them being the same person.
Supermanisdead
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Time travel works however the writer wants it to work.
Duane Cunningham
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No shit? I'm not quite there yet (I'm just up to Fear Itself on my grand odyssey). That's... kind of silly. But if those are the rules Bendis is playing by, then it seems like every little conversation or anything with these guys would completely change the present day drastically. Hmm.
Ganzlinger
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So Iceman from the past is gay and present time Iceman isn't? That doesn't make sense.
Mr. Poolman
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It wasn't revealed that those original 5 are not from the 616?
As time travel works on Marvel, their very existence on the 616 has created another alternate timeline on their home time.
As time travel works on Marvel, their very existence on the 616 has created another alternate timeline on their home time.
Nah for years it's been that way with Doom's tech being the exclusion. Age of Ultron's resolution was specifically about using Doom's machine right?
I was under the impression that Hank brought back very similar Young X-men to convince Scott he was wrong, you know the whole 'talk to your young self to see how far you've gone,' not that he intended to change the past/future.
Coriolanus
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The rules Bendis played by never made any sense. Has he ever gotten around the paradox that, if these really are the young for realz xmen, and current xmen still exist, the current xmen already have the memory of traveling to the future to do stuff? "oh but psychic lock on memories". Omega level telepath, doe.
It's just bad writing. Same way how the young versions *have* to survive everything in the present, otherwise they'd have died and the current versions shouldn't even be around on the first place. It's, like, basic time paradox stuff.
I'm perfectly OK with this. I'm almost 37 and I say "full gay". However I also say "golden gay", "fag hag" and a few other things I'm probably not supposed to.
I'd always kind of gotten that Iceman was gay - they always wrote him like he was trying too hard so I can see adult Bobby coming out later.
I've also read X-Men as a parable to being gay anyway so none of em coming out surprises me.
Also to add to the list of gay marvel characters is Wiccan and Hulkling (I think hulkling).
I'd always kind of gotten that Iceman was gay - they always wrote him like he was trying too hard so I can see adult Bobby coming out later.
I've also read X-Men as a parable to being gay anyway so none of em coming out surprises me.
Also to add to the list of gay marvel characters is Wiccan and Hulkling (I think hulkling).
Nah Marvel been pretty hard and fast about that.
What about Loki or 2099?
They are literally from different universes.
House of M and Age of Apocalypse still exists dispet being undone. Hell Rachel Grey is from the universe of Days of Future Past
WanderingWind
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Plus, they're not even telling great stories with them. Oh, so they're involved in teen drama? Because there aren't infinite young mutants kicking around. Whatever happened to Dust anyway?
Not necessarily. It was proposed that the young X-men should get mindwiped before they go back to their time
Schweinehund
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I like Alan Scott and Midniter but their sexuality doesn't really factor into why I like those characters.
Then half of them left to join JSA Xtreme. Fortunately nobody missed most of them (magog lol). Still his patronizing got ridiculous to some point. Alan Scott was just as bad, made Jakeem waste his whole day granting peoples wishes to prove some point, which wasn't a bad one if his magic actually worked without causing other things to be destroyed. So really Alan Scott had Jakeem create new homes that caused other people to lose their homes, which ended up causing twice as much trauma... just to prove a point lmao.
GrandHarrier
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But won't they have unexpected aging to account for?
Agent Gibbs
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Wait what? Pas/Time displaced Iceman is Gay? but "future/Present" Iceman is not gay......
that makes it seem like at some point he stops being gay?!?
This has not been thought through and is just so convoluted it opens up to some real scrutiny and perhaps unintentionally controversial ideas of turning straight/stopping being gay/being "cured"....the only way this will make sense is (as someone else said) it turns out the time displaced X-men are from a different reality, which isn't a load better as it makes it less of an thing.
Thats another option explain the past/future differing sexualities, but either means future Bobby is still in the closet and trying real hard to not seem gay....or whoever mind wiped them manipulated his memories so he wasn't gay?
uhh its just all bad
Still why should they need to announce these sort of things or make them a thing anyway? it shouldn't be a big deal who is what sexuality, just represent everyone fairly and in proportion to society (i.e not pander and have everyone gay, or offend and have only one homosexual...being realistic)
And lastly... he's full Gay? thats odd terminology, is that their attempt to have Jean sound like a typical down with the kids teen? "like oh mah god are you like full gay?!" which is just terrible if so, its terrible wording full stop
uhh just not handled well at all
that makes it seem like at some point he stops being gay?!?
This has not been thought through and is just so convoluted it opens up to some real scrutiny and perhaps unintentionally controversial ideas of turning straight/stopping being gay/being "cured"....the only way this will make sense is (as someone else said) it turns out the time displaced X-men are from a different reality, which isn't a load better as it makes it less of an thing.
Thats another option explain the past/future differing sexualities, but either means future Bobby is still in the closet and trying real hard to not seem gay....or whoever mind wiped them manipulated his memories so he wasn't gay?
uhh its just all bad
Still why should they need to announce these sort of things or make them a thing anyway? it shouldn't be a big deal who is what sexuality, just represent everyone fairly and in proportion to society (i.e not pander and have everyone gay, or offend and have only one homosexual...being realistic)
And lastly... he's full Gay? thats odd terminology, is that their attempt to have Jean sound like a typical down with the kids teen? "like oh mah god are you like full gay?!" which is just terrible if so, its terrible wording full stop
uhh just not handled well at all
Beast is a real jerk.
Good point
Calcium
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Bendis doesn't concern himself with things making sense.
WanderingWind
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Once again, Cyclops ends up right. Despite what Iceman says about him in every panel they meet in.
2099 is said to be 616, just in the future.
Direct effects of changes in 616 always affect the 2099 stuff.
One of the earlier arcs of Loki Agent of Asgard had Loki going back in time to alter the present, which would influence the future.
This was all in 616 too.
Coriolanus
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Victor sent him, if memory serves.
Either that or im getting it confused with the axis mumbo jumbo
No, not present Loki going to the future, future Loki going to the past.
So present Loki would become future Loki.
IndoAssassin
Banned
I confused
I thought Marvel was killing off the X-men comics?
I thought Marvel was killing off the X-men comics?
Cyclops's power is actually precognition. Laser eyes were just a secondary mutation.
Meh they have been in the main 616 for nearly 2 and a half years but as of this Black Vortex shit Scott is still 16. I don't think anyone has thought that far ahead to be honest.
Mr. Poolman
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They gave them to Bendis, so they did basically.
They're not and they aren't rebooting either.
Supermanisdead
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What I'm saying is you can't be handwringing about Doom's time platform or whatever other nonsense because at the end of the day something happened that contradicted it, so as much as you value the handbooks and "rules" they don't matter. The rule has been broken.
But how will they screw over Fox?
Within the comics the X-Men are fine, it's outside of the comics that's the issue.
LaunchpadMcQ
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Not saying it's necessarily why I liked Batwoman so much, but it was a fairly large part of her mythos.
Wheeljack539
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Obviously this will be worked around as in the OTL Bobby pleaded with Professor X to help him and after a time Charles gave in and placed blockers in his mind. Jean will notice and remove present Bobby's blockers and then it will be kosher.
Dat comic book logic.
Winterfang
Banned
Not surprising.
Edit: wait so he was Gay in her past but not now? Would that just make him bicurious? How can just one can stop being Gay?
Edit: wait so he was Gay in her past but not now? Would that just make him bicurious? How can just one can stop being Gay?
As the conspiracy theorist like to believe
Mr. Poolman
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But but... no FF books?
Given with how Disney/Marvel has been handling things with Fox ... that's clearly intentional.
Even if they had good intentions in-so-far as having a character come out, the specific choice of which character is clearly to fuck with Fox.
The couldn't follow up on Hickmans run so they just straight up murdered the book. Expect the same thing to happen after his Avengers runs if they don't get someone competent on board.
Kidding obviously, they could give it to Brian Wood and they still wouldn't cancel them
Coffee Dog
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so time travel cures being gay?
This entire thing is so bad.
This entire thing is so bad.
Why the hell do they never just make these characters bi-sexual. That way there's no retcon necessary. They just like both.
When they made Alan Scott gay I was pissed because I really love Jade and Obsidian, the latter of which was a perfectly fine gay character himself, and that change meant that we'd never get them or we'd get them with a lot of unecessary drama. If they'd made Alan Scott bi we could still have them still around, or even young amd growing up, and still have a semi-prominent non-heterosexual character. Also a bisexual male hero, which aren't super common.
When they made Alan Scott gay I was pissed because I really love Jade and Obsidian, the latter of which was a perfectly fine gay character himself, and that change meant that we'd never get them or we'd get them with a lot of unecessary drama. If they'd made Alan Scott bi we could still have them still around, or even young amd growing up, and still have a semi-prominent non-heterosexual character. Also a bisexual male hero, which aren't super common.
Saucycarpdog
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X-Men 2 had a bunch of references to homosexuality, remember the stryker and professor x conversation? :
"Your son wanted me to fix him"
"Our son blamed us for his condition"
"I told your son that being a mutant was not something to be shameful about"
"My son is dead, just like the rest of you!"
Trojita
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"Iceman forgot he came out"
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Theres more characters with mass relationship issues that without.
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