yeah this is totally like your trans co-worker....
Marvel will unveil another gay character tomorrow
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yeah this is totally like your trans co-worker....
And if everyone one of those handful are Gay then we may have a problem. However it has been long speculated by people that Bobby could infact be gay, so I don't see how something that we do see in real life, being a thing for Bobby to come out later in life with is a bad thing.
In fact this is a good thing to represent repressed Homosexual/Lesbians as well as having new characters that are Gay from the onset.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
long speculated? how?
Honestly I don't follow Bobby, so I can't say exactly how people have come to that conclusion.
That said I've seen threads on CBR and other places that have discussed Bobby and him being gay for a long time. I just tend to not get involved as I find Bobby to be obnoxious, plus Im not a fan of any of the original X Men.
Still though, this is certainly not something that has just recently come up.
In fact one specific thing I do remember was a Gay Thread on CBR, with people talking about the possibility of people being gay.
Aside from Cap/Tony which is popular the person I saw mentioned most often was Bobby and the relationship the friendship he had with a FF member I think.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
if this were hank, i would understand and have no problem with it, but ive been hearing that from people all day, and ive never seen that aspect of the character
Hey maybe they are full of shit, and so am I by extension. Still from what I've seen of Bobby, nothing says he can not be a repressed Gay Man.
Some Gays/Lesbians I would never believe are gay or lesbian because they've been big flirts, married, had kids, or been playboy/girls.
Then they come out.
Manmademan
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This is not unusual, but keep in mind that unlike someone you know irl, the reader is able to read the literal thoughts of these characters just as easily as the spoken word.
Bobby had more than one serious long term relationship, and in at least one of these we've seen him struggle internally with being a mutant, while dating someone whose family was hostile to mutants.
Edit: I'm misremembering. I think the issue I'm trying to recall was Bobby dating an Asian woman and HIS parents were racist. Its been a while.
Having him being closeted on top of that with no indication ever just doesn't quite work, because of the way the medium frequently exposes inner thoughts and angst. A newer character would be easier to pull off, but iceman has been around since the 60s. It stretches plausibility.
Peter Parker is just as old, and retconning his sexuality would be just as awkward here.
Thunder Monkey
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Drakes always seemed disingenuous to me.
Like a guy so deeply closeted, that he goes through the motions with every woman he dates. Every remark he makes.
I'm just saying that Bobby being gay is significantly less shocking than the way Beast dumped Trish. To me that one was out of left field. This one is just the way I've always characterized him in my head.
TLDR: People learn new things about themselves. Get over it.
Hey fair enough.
I disagree, but then again I don't like Bobby so maybe that is why. Still I think there must be something if so many people see this as a good, something that was possible to them in the past.
Alot of Fan Fiction/Shipping is based partially out of something seen and feelings that the characters have given off to the viewer. Well unless its completely crack, but Bobby doesn't seem to be that.
Coffee Dog
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Can you dial it the fuck down?
And Bobby Drake's sexuality has not been in question. He was a straight guy. We saw him and his thoughts over the course of multiple relationships. There was no indication he was closeted or even questioning. If this somehow applies to adult Bobby it'll feel like an asspull.
People have been questioning his sexuality for years and I think that's why Marvel made this decision.
Manmademan
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This. It's also worth noting that Emma frost hijacked icemans mind and body for a couple of issues when she was still a full on villain.
Ended up teaching him more than he ever knew about his own powers and proved that only his attitude was preventing him from hitting his full potential.
Did Emma just neglect to mention Bob was deeply closeted on top of all that?
Thunder Monkey
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Like she'd care.
She'd heard every thought out there by now. A closeted guy would be one voice among the rabble.
Coriolanus
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Hey man, all this really means is that Johnny Storm is next. Then we'll get Johnny & Bobby, Fire & Ice. Bendis's Fantastic Four/Five, bringing a new meaning to Fantastic. #believe.
People have been questioning the sexuality of pretty much every single male character in any form of media ever invented. Look for it and ye shall find.
Marvel made that decision because Bendis got incredible pull with his editor, that's about it.
No idea why they keep letting the guy behind Secret freaking Invasion have so much pull.
Wouldn't the Page posted repeatedly in this thread that shows the Difference between Jean and Emma show exactly why she wouldn't have brought it up?
Emma says to back off and knows what to touch and what not to and Jean has no self control/restraint so she outed Bobby where as Emma left that alone.
Pretty much every book Bendis touches sells really well and its always multiple books at a time so...
or this is just a terrible Bendis idea.
Manmademan
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Emma was still a villain at that point. World of difference between current and 90s Emma. She forcefully took icemans body against his will and ran off with it. this is not restraint.
The only reason she gave his body back at all is because she was unable to control it fully..that and she was an emotional wreck since her students had all been killed.
Okay, so then if that is the case why would Bobby be gay even be a blip to her if she was such an Emotional wreck over her own kids?
That seems wholly irrelevant and even if he had been planned to be Gay all the way back then, something that wouldn't matter at all to Emma at that time.
Coriolanus
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Same reason she decided to tell him how to access his midichlorians, would be my guess.
Xavier was all about teaching students to accept who they are, fwiw.
Father_Brain
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Hand's sexuality was only mentioned in like two pages of flashbacks. Ultimate Jessica Drew has never been written as struggling with her gender identity in any meaningful way, unless there's a story I missed (though it would fit her backstory).
Xavier I can agree with as something maybe he might have tried to bring up.
Emma still seems like a really flawed argument. The power thing and the way his body worked and her not being able to control it is something to point out because it would be something she was fighting with.
Him just being gay isn't important at that time to her when she is emotional over her kids.
We should see more about the Xavier aspect when adult Iceman is confronted by his younger self or whatever they plan on doing with the character.
Manmademan
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I already explained this. After that episode Bobby went to her to find out how she was doing what she did with his body (she was far more powerful with it, but could not do some things Bob did instinctively like switch back to human form) and she explained EXACTLY what was wrong with him mentally that was preventing him from hitting omega level. Emma was deep in Bobby's psyche in a way that Xavier was not, or didn't want to be.
She stuck around after her students had been killed to try and make amends with a new group foe the shitty things she did as a villain, admitting xaviers way was flat out better than hers. She got generation x along with banshee to accomplish this.
But attempted redemption or not, THAT Emma was in no way restrained or tactful.
But this is beside the point. It's only one of many, many things you have to ignore or handwave away to make this development plausible.
PaleFolklore
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I wish I could have come out in a comic book
Okay, well lets just say we agree to disagree. Unless Bendis writes this in such a way that Bobby has better mastry of his power after coming out I just don't agree this would make it so him being Gay would matter.
If that does come out, then yeah that is a problem.
Coriolanus
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To be fair, the problem is that Bobby is such an old character that he'd be bound to have run into someone that would have told him that.
Xavier? Sure.
Emma? Maybe
Quentin? Quentin, being the royal dick that he is? Dude would've written that in psionic purple across the sky.
That useless ninja.... gah, the one with the daggers... psylocke? Kinda.
i mean, dude's been around near hundreds of telepaths. but no, it is the one jean grey pulled from a completely wrecked timetravel that does it.
Wouldn't expect much in the way of resolution after the way bendis tackled ultimate spider-man.
Xavier? Sure.
Emma? Maybe
Quentin? Quentin, being the royal dick that he is? Dude would've written that in psionic purple across the sky.
That useless ninja.... gah, the one with the daggers... psylocke? Kinda.
i mean, dude's been around near hundreds of telepaths. but no, it is the one jean grey pulled from a completely wrecked timetravel that does it.
Wouldn't expect much in the way of resolution after the way bendis tackled ultimate spider-man.
Lonewolf_92
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Manmademan
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Exactly my point. Bobby has SO MUCH history that it's tough to pull something like this off without it feeling just "out of nowhere." Apparently they didn't even pull the "sexuality is fluid" bit, which might have worked. Its just awkward here.
Of course, you can't be a slave to continuity and things must change, but this is poorly done.
Someone will whether its Bendis or the next writer after Secret Wars.
Coriolanus
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Evidently. Me, manmade, slay and the crab are just hoping that they also take the chance to fix all the timetravel noise by saying that young x-men weren't 616. Quickest way to solve the whole damn mess.
At this point that could make this far worse, if they try to pull back it could have negative backlash from the community they are reaching out to.
Thunder Monkey
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Yeah.
The young X-Men may not be the 616 X-Men, but Iceman is now gay.
And in no way is it unbelievable.
Manmademan
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Wouldn't be the first time. At one point 2099 was THE definitive future of 616, and we know how that turned out.
Parallax
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not really. they would keep young bobby and old bobby in the same timeline with no problems. young bobby could discover himself in the 616 and form relationships there. having your cake and eating it too. that and northstar can have someone else to mentor other than anole.
Its possible.
However I'm not convinced, this isn't like sat Ultimate Col, Young Ice Man has been presented as younger 616 and Jean practically outs adult Ice Man.
People will not be okay if they feel like they had main ice man only to be like no, it's not the main series one But the off shot that can be torpedoed at anytime.
I think a story to explain everything would be more in-line with current Marvel.
2099 is currently the future of 616.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
people already arent ok with this in a myriad of ways. but this would be the best way to please everyone
isnt the 2099 line split down from the maestros version and the alchemax version
I don't really think that would please everyone, but that's not really possible. Alonso's comments state that its going to have an effect on adult Iceman so we just have to see where the writers go from here.
Ever since Spider-Man 2099 was brought back the 2099 line has been made 616 and the changes to 2099 are being caused by Miguel in the present.
I don't know.
I just have to disagree Parallax, it would essentially tease the gay community with the idea that one of the most iconic characters us someone they can identify and call there own only to say no, changed our minds it's the shitty spin off.
Someone will be unhappy you're right about that. Though this time I think Marvel should stick by Bendis setup and say 616 Bobby is gay.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
So deep that every telepath in the universe was fooled. ok
Trojita
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I still don't understand how the muscular structure of his left hand works.
For all we know there could be mind powers involved with adult Bobby to stop people from finding out.
Did they actually use "Full Gay" in the dialog? Cringe worthy stuff man. Hack writer level. I'm not the biggest comic reader, but from what I understand Iceman was really into women. Why would they retcon a pretty big identity difference like this to an already established character. Is it just to throw around progressive credentials?
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