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Avengers: Age of Ultron |Spoiler Thread| Thanos Dies in This
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Shuggananas
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Thanos is in asgard and then he pulls off his mask and it's actually black peter parker under it, played by jaden smith
McBradders
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So is there something missing from AoU in terms of an agent of Thanos? Is Hydra an unknowing accomplice? Ultron? Without that the post credits scene doesn't really mean anything which is why it feels so unsatisfying. I would have hoped for a Civil War tease... after the city gets messed up you could definitely see the world wanting to pull the reigns on these yahoos.
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Mangoverboard
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With the mid credits scene and that bit where Tony turns to Bruce and says something like 'but we werent even close to it working' after Ultron comes alive, is it too much to think that Thanos had a hand in Ultron becoming sentient?
Thanos gave the mind gem to Loki before so presumably he's wielded it before. Did he somehow hijack the attempts to create the AI and created Ultron to eventually bring him the gem? I know Ultron made no mention of anything like that but by incorporating the gem into his own body, Thanos could contact/control him?
The scepter with the gem was connected to Stark's sensors lets not forget so it could be possible?
Vision is also now a liability.
Thanos gave the mind gem to Loki before so presumably he's wielded it before. Did he somehow hijack the attempts to create the AI and created Ultron to eventually bring him the gem? I know Ultron made no mention of anything like that but by incorporating the gem into his own body, Thanos could contact/control him?
The scepter with the gem was connected to Stark's sensors lets not forget so it could be possible?
Vision is also now a liability.
I expected the same, something that makes them feel some shame because Ultron was a problem caused by Tony Stark, plus the Hulk probably killed people in his rampage. The public turning on them would have been a good contrast with the first film where they were being hailed as heroes and would have planted the seeds for Civil War and the registration act.
Shuggananas
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Are you sure loki got his scepter from thanos ? I can't remember when/how he got it
Mangoverboard
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Well after he fell into space he came back with the Scepter and doing Thanos' bidding? Assume Thanos would realise Loki had an Infinity Gem
crimsonheadGCN
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Loki got the scepter from The Other in the beginning of Avengers. The Other was the servant of Thanos.
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that's not end credits, that's mid credits 
IdreamofHIME
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Mid credit scene was crap. Really. Thanos looked so shit and fake, I just hope its coz it was a throw away scene and they didn't spend much time on it...but he looked so hilariously bad.
How come Banner is as hairy as a chimp...but Hulks not? Hulk has stubble on his face...but where does the chest rug go?
How come Banner is as hairy as a chimp...but Hulks not? Hulk has stubble on his face...but where does the chest rug go?
Shuggananas
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First one is the actual one. But it's more like "Well, I guess I'll take care of it myself"
yea she looked beautiful. Wish they would show more of her with that style.
I think Thanos knew that the scepter had the mind gem if he was confident enough to entrust it into Loki's hands. They gave it to him with the knowledge that Loki could retrieve the Tesseract, the second Infinity Stone. After the battle in NY, The Other informs Thanos that courting them is to "court death", and I feel like that was essentially him realizing that he could let humanity run it's inevitable course if it was a matter of retrieving that gem eventually at a later date (a post-Avengers world is a dangerous one for earth to exist in).
That's when things start getting unpredictable though. The Tesseract gets locked up in Asgard while the Aether is held with The Collector. Thanos actually manages to indirectly get a hold of the purple Infinity Stone, but because Ronan was plotting to overthrow Thanos he gets screwed out of it, and because of it, it's now in the hands of the Nova Corps. Not only that, but Ultron's plans to destroy earth fail and the yellow Infinity Stone has now been infused into The Vision. The stones are increasingly becoming more hard to get.
Cue Thanos literally doing the only thing expected of him in this situation - he's finally taking matters into his own hands. Every major world in the MCU at this point houses one stone, and all of them are now at risk. The mid-credits scene was "eh" as a whole but the actual implications pretty much spells "death starts now".
I thought the film was ok.
Ultron got short-changed. Early in the film you get the impression that he might be a villain that, having consumed so much information, understands how not to fuck up, but fuck up he does. He should have killed Black Widow, for instance (although this is acknowledged by himself as an ego fault).
Quicksilver was alright. I expected he'd die, because Vision needed to have a relationship with Scarlet Witch going forward, and his characters was kind of explored, that and Hawkeye's death would seem to obvious. He did a decent job, and the actor was better at keeping a consistent accent that Olsen.
They laid the groundwork for Civil War and dismantled it in the same film. That sucked.
I thought Scarlet Witch let people see their worst nightmares, but it's somehow the future, and Thor saw the future by taking a bath, and new that the robot he had a vision about would be a good guy, and said robot was like "I like your cape, I'll have a cape just like that". Vision holding Mjolnir was so fucking good, though.
Opening scene was great. You can basically see Joss Whedon firing shots at Zack Snyder during the Hulkbuster vs Hulk fight, which amused me.
Hulk riding off in the Quinjet almost made me tear up, it was weird. I convinced myself, somehow, that the Quinjet was capable of space travel, and that the Hulk had decided to exile himself from Earth. But I guess he just went to Hawaii, or some shit.
Hawkeye, and all the things surrounding him, was well done.
Eh, it was good, not great. The plot had a good flow, but the film felt like it was missing scenes (such as Ultron being a Iron-Drone, or whatever they were called, to being a 9-foot robot, and having invited the twins over). Also I have to believe that Black Panther was gutted out of this. They go to Wakanda and don't address him, or his father, at all. Maybe it was going to be an after-credits thing that led into Civil War before the Spidey switch.
7.5/10
Ultron got short-changed. Early in the film you get the impression that he might be a villain that, having consumed so much information, understands how not to fuck up, but fuck up he does. He should have killed Black Widow, for instance (although this is acknowledged by himself as an ego fault).
Quicksilver was alright. I expected he'd die, because Vision needed to have a relationship with Scarlet Witch going forward, and his characters was kind of explored, that and Hawkeye's death would seem to obvious. He did a decent job, and the actor was better at keeping a consistent accent that Olsen.
They laid the groundwork for Civil War and dismantled it in the same film. That sucked.
I thought Scarlet Witch let people see their worst nightmares, but it's somehow the future, and Thor saw the future by taking a bath, and new that the robot he had a vision about would be a good guy, and said robot was like "I like your cape, I'll have a cape just like that". Vision holding Mjolnir was so fucking good, though.
Opening scene was great. You can basically see Joss Whedon firing shots at Zack Snyder during the Hulkbuster vs Hulk fight, which amused me.
Hulk riding off in the Quinjet almost made me tear up, it was weird. I convinced myself, somehow, that the Quinjet was capable of space travel, and that the Hulk had decided to exile himself from Earth. But I guess he just went to Hawaii, or some shit.
Hawkeye, and all the things surrounding him, was well done.
Eh, it was good, not great. The plot had a good flow, but the film felt like it was missing scenes (such as Ultron being a Iron-Drone, or whatever they were called, to being a 9-foot robot, and having invited the twins over). Also I have to believe that Black Panther was gutted out of this. They go to Wakanda and don't address him, or his father, at all. Maybe it was going to be an after-credits thing that led into Civil War before the Spidey switch.
7.5/10
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That's not what the death line means.
Freewheelin'
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They didn't go to Wakanda. They said Klaue had shipped vibranium out of Wakanda.
since there are 2 movies, absolutely
Oh, I guess so.
That would make sense. I assumed that Klaw's base was somewhere in Wakanda, and the city destroyed was one nearby.
Freewheelin'
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I wish Thanos was practical effects. I don't usually care as much as many in this regard - thought Ultron was fine, for instance - but I don't like the way he's been depicted in this and GOTG. Too cartoonish. Vision looked spectacular; they could have compromised on Thanos' sheer size and given us something practical with enhancions, perhaps.
maquiladora
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I really liked Vision in this.
Freewheelin'
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Bettany was very good. Had a real presence about him.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Can you explain the bolded? Nothing comes to mind.
And yeah I liked Hawkeye in this movie, the last scene with his wife almost made me tear up, possibly because QS sacrificed himself for him.
I'm going to be sad if I'm not going to see any more Scarlet Witch until A3 though, I really liked her.
maquiladora
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Yeah. A real sense of restrained power, majesty and wisdom. Probably my favorite cinematic portrayal of a Marvel character since Iron Man. And that "I was born yesterday" line was great.
I think he's referring to Stark scanning the empty building to make sure there would be no civilian casualties.
Entryhazard
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They didn't go to wakanda. They went after Klaw that stole vibranium from wakanda and was branded for that. But they were in another place in Afrcia.
I'm going to assume that it's Tony actually taking some visible time to save people and making sure there are no casualties in between the city-leveling skirmish.
The Hulkbuster is actively shown to be saving people (like letting people out of an elevator before smashing it over Hulk's head), and you get a sense of it throughout, but when Iron-Man has the building scanned for people before crashing into it I got the sense of that being a direct commentary on the carnage in Man of Steel.
They really lay "saving people during the carnage" on thick, and I can only assume that's based on the reaction to Man of Steel (even Avengers didn't have that level of awareness when a giant monster comes careening into a building, or when cars get blown up).
Yup.
Entryhazard
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A lot of people shitted on the hulk vs hulbuster trailer because they thought that stark didn't care about bystanders and collateral damage and it spurred in a comparison with Man of Steel. In the movie Stark actually tries to bring the fight out of the city by lifting him, and made sure that the building were empty before slamming hulk into it. Things that Superman didn't even try.
After this I'm really not sure what direction they are going with Civil War. I just can't imagine after Ultron that Tony would fuck up again and go down that route leading to him vs Cap and his new team or whatever. I guess it couldn't be as stupid as the actual event.
To add to the Tony love he even asks Maria if the Stark Foundation were at the scene presumably to help in a Damage Control capacity.
To add to the Tony love he even asks Maria if the Stark Foundation were at the scene presumably to help in a Damage Control capacity.
It's the weirdest thing. They set up a believable divide and reconciled it by the film's end for the sake of an upbeat ending.
I think there was absolutely a way to have Captain America and Iron-Man at each other's throats while still collaborating to stop Ultron. But the ending implies that there's no bad blood between them.
I thought that was strange.
Tony will feel guilty about creating Ultron and causing all this (even though he showed not a hint of guilt in this movie) and think that superhero regulation is the way to go.
And yeah Cap and Iron Man were still pals at the end of this movie, how weird. Making them be on bad terms at the end would have been easy and would have been a good set up for Civil War. Now they have to go through this whole song and dance about how they disagree all over again.
Yeah they even go as far to have Wanda say that Ultron is only like he is because like Tony he can't tell the difference if he's saving the world or destroying it. I mean you couldn't really have better setup than that. But then you get "I'll miss you" and Tony drives off into the sunset with Cap leading a new team.
I just can't see where this divide will come from to have them literally come to blows again. Add to that fact that Tony has been shown to give zero shits about the government.
Agreed. I thought through-out they were planting some seeds here and there with some confrontations between the two characters.. then it's just resolved by the end.
Welp. This was definitely the closest to Iron Man 2 out of all the Marvel films so far. The Klaw stuff, the Thor vision, the super obvious Civil War nods, it just goes on and on. They might be neat ideas on their own, but they felt so forced here. Underdeveloped stuff which only exist so a future film can reference it and go "see, we set it up!"
I wonder how much of this was Whedon's inability to juggle everything into a 2 hour plus film, and how much of this was forced upon him by the needs of Marvel for the larger "plan".
Vision was fucking awesome though. Perfect in pretty much every way.
I wonder how much of this was Whedon's inability to juggle everything into a 2 hour plus film, and how much of this was forced upon him by the needs of Marvel for the larger "plan".
Vision was fucking awesome though. Perfect in pretty much every way.
Broken Joystick
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Renner packing in that performance. Hope he's geared up for a big role in Civil War.
Slightly annoyed that QS is dead though. Wanda looked amazing right at the end though, costume designers nailed it.
Slightly annoyed that QS is dead though. Wanda looked amazing right at the end though, costume designers nailed it.
I don't understand why they killed Quicksilver. It made very little sense. He isn't really developed enough for it to be a particularly emotional death, and he has lots of promise as a sibling dynamic with Wanda. Really strange choice. Especially after all the build up by Whedon about how Quicksilver is "different" in Ultron because it's a sibling thing. Seems like a massive waste.
KingofGourds
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Agreed totally. It's all pretty much been said here already but this film is one overstuffed bird, and unfortunately a lot of that stuffing is setting up other films rather than for its own benefit.
I have to believe there is an hour longer extended cut out there that solves most of this films problems. A two hour twenty film whose narrative feels this rushed has gone wrong somewhere.
I'm not sure I'd blame Whedon for anything. He's mentioned plenty of times how much of a nightmare it has been to make AoU work with the amount of characters and threads it deals with. It seems pretty clear to me that Joss got Favreau'd.
More consistent than Avengers 1, but gets nowhere close to that film's highs.
I sort of understand. To keep a sense of stakes someone had to die. Hawkeye would have been too obvious, methinks. Captain America, Iron-Man and Thor have film franchises to maintain. Hulk would have been a big death. Black Widow dying would have killed the Avenger's sole female member (at least before Scarlet Witch). Killing Scarlet Witch leaves too much untapped potential for her and the Vision's relationship.
So I got the sense pretty early on that if someone had to die it was going to be Quicksilver. Scarlet Witch will have someone else to play off of, which would leave Quicksilver with only the 'protective brother' characteristic, which was the extent of his character in this film anyway. He has the least left to explore.
Broken Joystick
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I was unfortunate enough to know that he was going to die before hand
thanks 4Chan
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, this was my take-away from this death too, but I still it was pretty pointless. They could and should have done a better job in building up Ultron to be a bigger threat so you're never sure who might die when he appears, but they completely botched the execution by making him a wise ass.
Not even when he cuts off Klaw's arm did he come across as menacing, apologising and generally acting a fool.
I just got back from seeing it.
Overall, I'm disappointed.
It's a solid enough sequel. I think it's definitely burdened in a few scenes by the need to plant the seeds for future stories in this universe. There was some really shoddy CG in there too, I was shocked at how bad it looked in that opening sequence in particular - some sequences in the film look great, such as that slow motion shot circling the entire group fighting together near the end, others.. not so great.
Ultron as a villain just didn't work for me. We know what his goal is, what his end game is.. that is clearly established as soon as the character first appears but I just thought beyond that as a villain he wasn't fully formed, and he was dispatched with fairly easily in the end. The twins were the true threat in this film and I have to say I really enjoyed the addition of those two characters, and the performances from Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor-Johnson were suitably endearing; I know there's been a lot of negative comments doing the rounds online regarding their accents in the film but I didn't find a problem with them at all.
The Vision worked really well, he's such a bizarre character to bring in to the film seamlessly and it works really well when he finally does make his appearance. I enjoyed the casual 'handing Thor his hammer' scene.
Some small points:
- Renner was great.
- Being Irish; The Irish accent (Kerry Condon) on F.R.I.D.A.Y. took me out of the film slightly for some reason, an odd minor complaint I know but it has no real bearing on the quality of the film or anything, just a weird minor annoyance for me.
- Hulk Buster sequence was damn good "Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep.."
Overall I'd say:
3/5
The more I think about the more I'm finding things not to like but I'll have to see it again before I can really make my mind up on it.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier is still the best of the bunch.
Overall, I'm disappointed.
It's a solid enough sequel. I think it's definitely burdened in a few scenes by the need to plant the seeds for future stories in this universe. There was some really shoddy CG in there too, I was shocked at how bad it looked in that opening sequence in particular - some sequences in the film look great, such as that slow motion shot circling the entire group fighting together near the end, others.. not so great.
Ultron as a villain just didn't work for me. We know what his goal is, what his end game is.. that is clearly established as soon as the character first appears but I just thought beyond that as a villain he wasn't fully formed, and he was dispatched with fairly easily in the end. The twins were the true threat in this film and I have to say I really enjoyed the addition of those two characters, and the performances from Elizabeth Olsen and Aaron Taylor-Johnson were suitably endearing; I know there's been a lot of negative comments doing the rounds online regarding their accents in the film but I didn't find a problem with them at all.
The Vision worked really well, he's such a bizarre character to bring in to the film seamlessly and it works really well when he finally does make his appearance. I enjoyed the casual 'handing Thor his hammer' scene.
Some small points:
- Renner was great.
- Being Irish; The Irish accent (Kerry Condon) on F.R.I.D.A.Y. took me out of the film slightly for some reason, an odd minor complaint I know but it has no real bearing on the quality of the film or anything, just a weird minor annoyance for me.
- Hulk Buster sequence was damn good "Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep.."
Overall I'd say:
3/5
The more I think about the more I'm finding things not to like but I'll have to see it again before I can really make my mind up on it.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier is still the best of the bunch.
He holds his own one on one against Ultron's main body, so yes.
Red Arremer
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Just saw it. I really liked it. I loved the take on Ultron as, instead of just being a "exterminate all humans"-monotone AI, having a quirky personality. Though I'm not sure I entirely liked the idea to base it off of Stark's quirkiness.
Regardless, Spader did a fantastic job. Thought the "lips" on Ultron's face were kinda weird tho.
To tack onto this, Quicksilver is a character Fox has been using in Days of Future Past, as well. He also is the one with closer ties to the X-Men franchise than Wanda is.
Regardless, Spader did a fantastic job. Thought the "lips" on Ultron's face were kinda weird tho.
To tack onto this, Quicksilver is a character Fox has been using in Days of Future Past, as well. He also is the one with closer ties to the X-Men franchise than Wanda is.
peanutbutterlatte
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Wait, they don't establish Civil War by the end? I thought that was the whole point of the connected universe :\ They had really set it up well for Tony to become the dick he is in the Civil war comics, but for an actually justified reason this time.
"I'm tired of people paying for our mistakes" was a complete tease then. God damn.
"I'm tired of people paying for our mistakes" was a complete tease then. God damn.
They are not following the comic story, just the basic premise of Cap vs Iron Man.
Broken Joystick
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Cap and Tony didn't exactly hug it out at the end. Tony still went behind everyone's back, and then did it again! I think they have this mutual understanding that they're different characters trying to achieve the same goal, which is what we've been seeing since the first Avengers. Were some people expecting Cap and Tony to be wrestling throughout this film?
MCU Civil War is only Civil War by name, I've no doubts that Cap and Stark will be at each other's throats, but there's plenty of reasons and time to do that in Civil War.
Coming off of Winter Soldier, and the initiative in that to automate defence, Stark creating Ultron gave Steve all the reason to put a permanent marker full-stop after "I'm no ally of Tony Stark", while also giving Tony a fair justification for his actions. A simple clash of distinct ideologies, Civil War ensues.
But they resolve it too cleanly.
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