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Avengers: Age of Ultron |Spoiler Thread| Thanos Dies in This
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She's seen flying in the end.
wow
Hmm I think so.
Vision is made of Vibranium, Ultron-quality AI, Mind Gem and can wield Mjolnir. He seems to be Thor tier at minimum.
Scarlet Witch pulled Ultron's "heart" out of his Vibranium chest like it was nothing.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Just came back from seeing it.
WAH
They gonna retire HULK, IRON MAN and THOR??? (and hawkeye?)
booooooooooooooooo
On the movie, it was very fun. I really enjoyed it. Full with action, the humour was cute and the cast was solid. I really liked the dynamics between the characters. Sciencebros were great
But I went to see the first Avengers twice in the movie but not going to see this one again. Will get the BR though
Really good flick. But not hyped about the New Avengers team.... I think there's a part in me that got sold on the thought that it was going to be the original Avengers team that were going to go against Thanos at the third movie.
Vision is <3 though. Love him to bits.
Quicksilver couldn't die just like that, could he??? I refuse to believe that.
ScarletWitch is so so so fine. Will be back later after thinking about it some more. I really enjoyed it, but ... lots of mixed feelings about the new team and stuff atm. Will backread the thread naoooo
omg that dvd with the extras - im so gonna get my hands all over thaaatt *____*
(still cant believe they are going to cut hulk, hawkeye, thor and iron man. wtf wtf)
WAH
They gonna retire HULK, IRON MAN and THOR??? (and hawkeye?)
booooooooooooooooo
On the movie, it was very fun. I really enjoyed it. Full with action, the humour was cute and the cast was solid. I really liked the dynamics between the characters. Sciencebros were great
But I went to see the first Avengers twice in the movie but not going to see this one again. Will get the BR though
Really good flick. But not hyped about the New Avengers team.... I think there's a part in me that got sold on the thought that it was going to be the original Avengers team that were going to go against Thanos at the third movie.
Vision is <3 though. Love him to bits.
Quicksilver couldn't die just like that, could he??? I refuse to believe that.
ScarletWitch is so so so fine. Will be back later after thinking about it some more. I really enjoyed it, but ... lots of mixed feelings about the new team and stuff atm. Will backread the thread naoooo
omg that dvd with the extras - im so gonna get my hands all over thaaatt *____*
(still cant believe they are going to cut hulk, hawkeye, thor and iron man. wtf wtf)
While I can see some of the Iron Man 2 comparisons in terms of world-building/setting future movies up, the reason I don't have a problem with that kind of thing here is that Iron Man 2 uses it's sequel teasing as a crutch rather than having any associated drive behind it.
Iron Man 2's "plot" reaches a screeching halt in the middle of the movie whereupon we get blasted with a bunch of hints at just more movies. AoU doesn't ever really stop its pace, nor can it afford to do so, in order to hint for you to watch something else for answers. Is Wakanda mentioned and Klaw in the movie? Yeah, but that's because that has always been the canonical source of vibranium - which plays an incredibly huge role in this movie. I don't see the Tony and Steve conflict "setting up" Civil War either - the two characters have always had vastly different ideologies, they always argue about something. Knowing that their conflict might turn up to be a central point of Cap 3 isn't really cause for me to start obsessing over everything they talk about in this movie. The only exception here is Thor, which they've even been open about that they want to make Thor 3 have an impact on the MCU the same way The Winter Soldier did and his vision is way too goddamn vague, but it constitutes so little of the movie that I can easily look aside that.
AoU doesn't have anything nearly as hamfisted as "your dad founded SHIELD etc., so look at his huge fucking city model to find the formula for that new element", or an entire scene devoted to talking about Avengers (well, AoU does but in the context of Iron Man 2 that's just movie teasing), or Tony having a model Cap shield design. Half of this stuff is just references, not anything substantial to the movie's development. If we want to talk about any movie that suffers Iron Man 2 syndrome and to its undoing, TASM2 is a better qualifier.
I dunno, I'm having an easy time remembering all the details. Maybe it just comes with the added interest I suppose.
Iron Man 2's "plot" reaches a screeching halt in the middle of the movie whereupon we get blasted with a bunch of hints at just more movies. AoU doesn't ever really stop its pace, nor can it afford to do so, in order to hint for you to watch something else for answers. Is Wakanda mentioned and Klaw in the movie? Yeah, but that's because that has always been the canonical source of vibranium - which plays an incredibly huge role in this movie. I don't see the Tony and Steve conflict "setting up" Civil War either - the two characters have always had vastly different ideologies, they always argue about something. Knowing that their conflict might turn up to be a central point of Cap 3 isn't really cause for me to start obsessing over everything they talk about in this movie. The only exception here is Thor, which they've even been open about that they want to make Thor 3 have an impact on the MCU the same way The Winter Soldier did and his vision is way too goddamn vague, but it constitutes so little of the movie that I can easily look aside that.
AoU doesn't have anything nearly as hamfisted as "your dad founded SHIELD etc., so look at his huge fucking city model to find the formula for that new element", or an entire scene devoted to talking about Avengers (well, AoU does but in the context of Iron Man 2 that's just movie teasing), or Tony having a model Cap shield design. Half of this stuff is just references, not anything substantial to the movie's development. If we want to talk about any movie that suffers Iron Man 2 syndrome and to its undoing, TASM2 is a better qualifier.
After letting it simmer for a bit more the day after, I think the most tragic thing is that what the show did right, it did -so- right. The birth of the Vision, the interactions between Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, the way all the powers worked, the train scene where she stops it as Pietrov is moving everyone out of the way, lots of really inspired stuff. But they remain pieces. I'm honestly starting to already forget what it was all "about" other than Ultron trying to lift a city into the sky to drop it on Earth.
I dunno, I'm having an easy time remembering all the details. Maybe it just comes with the added interest I suppose.
It was going to be his final form.
How powerful are Scarlet Witch's powers? I'm not a comic book reader so am not familiar with the extent of her abilities there, but it seems as though she's one of the most powerful characters (if not the most) revealed so far in the MCU if she can even use her telekinetic abilities to fly and to stop a train, in addition to energy blasts, energy barriers, mind-control, hypnotic illusions...
She's definitely one of the most powerful people but there is no hard limit to her "hex" powers and "chaos magic" -just what the writer of that stories does. She erased the majority of the worlds mutant powers just by thinking of it.
Of course AoU does. The entire Thor "plot" about his vision is totally hamfisted. It made no sense. All the other characters were confronted by their personal fears and what they saw were linked to their character development. Thor could have gotten something cool like that, but instead he was sacrificed in service to building up the Infinity gems. Instead of using Thor in an interesting or meaningful way in terms of character dynamics, he basically just takes off half way, meets up with the professor dude, and goes off on some vision quest which was never really ever explained to detailed, just so he can get "more clarity" into what he saw - all of which really had nothing to do with the actual plot about Ultron, a rouge AI who has decided that exterminating humanity will bring peace. Instead it just bogs the movie down in more stuff lots of people just won't care about - OMG there are cosmic powers out there! OMG remember these stones from the other movies? OMG Ultron is the least of our worries in the future! That's exactly what Iron Man 2 did with SHIELD. It distracted from the core of the film, and made it weaker.
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not 100% sure but i thought it was the nessun dorma. was a beautiful piece, for sure... has to rewatch to make sure though. haha
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Why did they have to kill silver off? I loved his character. Stupid kid and her mother; they were on screen for like 5 times dafuq.
Otherwise, solid film, better than avengers 1 and will definately watch again, this time on iMaX.
edit; I also loved the comedy aspects to this film, worth mentioning were the after party scene and then when the vision picked up thor's hammer and the hulk buster rapidly punching hulk trying to get him to sleep was hilarious. The whole crowd was roaring in laughter.
Otherwise, solid film, better than avengers 1 and will definately watch again, this time on iMaX.
edit; I also loved the comedy aspects to this film, worth mentioning were the after party scene and then when the vision picked up thor's hammer and the hulk buster rapidly punching hulk trying to get him to sleep was hilarious. The whole crowd was roaring in laughter.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Isn't Thor supposed to be the one that defeat Thanos in the comics lore :<
wah
I wants the original teaaaaaaaam ;____;
The idea i was sold on was the guys with their stand alone movies.... Iron Man, Thor and Captain America (and Hulk) was going to do trilogy on their stand alones* then they come together to do three Avengers movies.... :<
I got attached to things, man :<
And Loki remains the only compelling villain out of all the MCU villains. I thought Ultron would be at least of some weight, but no.... unfortunately, he wasn't really all that.
:<
Aaaah i need that dvd-extras version STAT
wah
I wants the original teaaaaaaaam ;____;
The idea i was sold on was the guys with their stand alone movies.... Iron Man, Thor and Captain America (and Hulk) was going to do trilogy on their stand alones* then they come together to do three Avengers movies.... :<
I got attached to things, man :<
And Loki remains the only compelling villain out of all the MCU villains. I thought Ultron would be at least of some weight, but no.... unfortunately, he wasn't really all that.
:<
Aaaah i need that dvd-extras version STAT
*poor hulk standalones that never were
I... mentioned that though. As the only real misstep of the movie. The only reason its a big question mark for me is what Vision meant to him. But I feel like the movie's problem on that front wasn't that it was there, but that it didn't spend enough time elaborating on it.
For that matter its not like there's no precedent for the Infinity Stones when Ultron literally wants it for the Vision.
Well, don't you think it's the exact same thing we could say about Iron Man 2? The story could also have been improved if they spent more time elaborating on what Tony's father meant to him, connecting it better to SHIELD and also to Whiplash. The story could also have been improved if they just cut all of it out and made the movie tighter. The same applies here. It could be better if it were.... better. It could also have been better if it wasn't there at all since it wasn't developed well enough.
Jables Swan
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Why's that?
Ultron's final form I believe.
Damn the Vision was cool. Love Paul Bettany.
Wasn't that in Daredevil thoug? Listening to it now, seems like its not it.
Yeah i need at least to see the credits again.
And on the web i can only find tracks of the official soundtrack, not the licensed one.
Anyone else can help?
I guess I could see that in a way if Iron Man 2 didnt waste its time rather than cutting its own corners. AoU already has a field day in letting every character get some kind of significant development (though I admit I didn't "get" Cap's fear at first, was it that without war he'd have no place in the world?) that at some point there's always a risk that someone would have to require just a little more time. Iron Man 2 was essentially filler for most of its running time, but not a lot of AoU gets a chance to have filler.
I agree that it is an issue though and its why I think splitting Avengers 3 into two parts might be for the best. I just don't think it actively destroys the movie like IM2.
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Okay so I'm not the only one. It took me a few seconds to figure out that was supposed to be Scarlet Witch when they showed her because she looked completely different to me. I don't know what it is about her new look.
I figured that the hair was what threw me off at first. Most of the movie its straightened and a dark crimson color but in the final shot its more wavy and a bright scarlet color.
I'm still hoping the dream pool subplot weaves some Surtur - Loki - Vision connection in the blu-ray extended cut, then it wouldn't be too bad.
The dynamics between Thor and original Avengers members seem to have been realized and taken for granted, so Whedon appears to be saying "there is nothing else to explore".
SirJackDaniels
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Film was pretty disappointing IMO. For me there never were any goosebumps *nerdgasm* moments like from the first.
"I'm always angry"
Will probably watch again this weekend.
"I'm always angry"
Will probably watch again this weekend.
I thought Whedon said there is no extended cut. Marvel never does that. He said there will be a TON of deleted scenes on the DVD/BD though.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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What eas with Thor and that pool scene that made no sense
You basically summed up the movie for me, agree with you on every point. I saw it last night and enjoyed it immensely but it just felt so unbelievably rushed, that no story elements were given any room to breathe. I like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable on Marvel stuff, but even I was sitting in the cinema thinking "what the fuck did I miss?" I think even 5 or 10 minutes spread out sparingly to flesh out the context a bit would definitely have helped. I can't imagine what the general public that aren't so knowledgeable as we all are on GAF, think what's going on. I think a lot of things were glossed over to the detriment of the film, and I think a line or two here and there to just give some context or background would have been sufficient. I don't think some Nolan-esque type exposition is necessary, just something small to get people up to speed quicker.
I think what it can be boiled down to is that the movie assumed too much from the audience. The movie is a great spectacle with some awesome moments of action, but I have a funny feeling that Captain America Civil War is going to be the Avengers film we all thought we were getting with Age of Ultron. Something a bit more personal and can be followed a little easier. The first Avengers movie is still my favourite of the MCU so far, I did have high hopes for Age of Ultron but I think it just tried to do too much in the running time it had. I think Daredevil has spoiled me with the brilliant slow burn over 13 episodes, but I'm willing to give Age of Ultron another chance. I think a second rewatch will definitely help and I think that's what is going to help this movie do gangbusters at the box office.
I don't rememebr the exact lines be he was walking to the car and basically saying farewell to Rogers, and explaining that all this is getting a bit too much for him. He makes it pretty clear he's retiring from the Avengers thing, while Rogers says that for him personally, this is home. Which is why he continues to lead the New Avengers at the end.
I guess it has been said before, but you guys must feel really lucky that you didn't pick 'Quicksilver dies in this' as the subtitle for this thread 
I'm hoping we are getting a Directors Cut out of this one, because it felt, like some scenes and story lines were cut a bit short.
That said, the movie was really good. It was not 'among the best in its genre' amazing, but it was better than most summer blockbusters - see FF7.
And it's missing the greatest heights of the first Avengers ('I'm always angry' and 'puny god') but its much better paced.
It never felt as coherent as the first one, where the story was much more straight forward. The Thor scenes needed more exposition or should be replaced with another quest altogether - from his Vision to the creation to The Vision was a pretty big jump.
But man did I enjoy it. The constant banter, the Hulk vs. Iron Man fight, the humor, the finale. It all created a fantastic flow, only brought down by the twins when they first meet Ultron.
And I don't get why they would kill Strucker off so fast, he seemed to be a great villain.
I'm hoping we are getting a Directors Cut out of this one, because it felt, like some scenes and story lines were cut a bit short.
That said, the movie was really good. It was not 'among the best in its genre' amazing, but it was better than most summer blockbusters - see FF7.
And it's missing the greatest heights of the first Avengers ('I'm always angry' and 'puny god') but its much better paced.
It never felt as coherent as the first one, where the story was much more straight forward. The Thor scenes needed more exposition or should be replaced with another quest altogether - from his Vision to the creation to The Vision was a pretty big jump.
But man did I enjoy it. The constant banter, the Hulk vs. Iron Man fight, the humor, the finale. It all created a fantastic flow, only brought down by the twins when they first meet Ultron.
And I don't get why they would kill Strucker off so fast, he seemed to be a great villain.
HeavyMetalLover91
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I don't know what y'all are talking about, I loved the film and thought it topped the original in every way.
Being thrown straight in to the action was brilliant, no fucking around, we're the avengers and we're getting Loki's sceptre back.
Yeah it sucked that not every character could shine to their full potential but in a 2 hour movie with a huge ensemble cast, it's just not going to happen. The fact that it was only really Thor that took a slight backseat shows how well the rest of it was executed.
As for the new team at the end? No way are they retiring Iron Man, Thor and Hulk. Iron Man is in Civil War next year and Thor has a solo movie before Infinity War so he'll be there for when shit goes down. Don't know what to make of the Hulk's cliffhanger though.
So excited for Infinity War now though. 10 years of build up for the ultimate superhero showdown. It'll be missing the X-Men and Fantastic Four, but fuck 'em. X-Men is it's own mess and the new FF doesn't look particularly great.
I'm just hoping so much that the Guardians meet the Avengers in some capacity. That's all I want.
Being thrown straight in to the action was brilliant, no fucking around, we're the avengers and we're getting Loki's sceptre back.
Yeah it sucked that not every character could shine to their full potential but in a 2 hour movie with a huge ensemble cast, it's just not going to happen. The fact that it was only really Thor that took a slight backseat shows how well the rest of it was executed.
As for the new team at the end? No way are they retiring Iron Man, Thor and Hulk. Iron Man is in Civil War next year and Thor has a solo movie before Infinity War so he'll be there for when shit goes down. Don't know what to make of the Hulk's cliffhanger though.
So excited for Infinity War now though. 10 years of build up for the ultimate superhero showdown. It'll be missing the X-Men and Fantastic Four, but fuck 'em. X-Men is it's own mess and the new FF doesn't look particularly great.
I'm just hoping so much that the Guardians meet the Avengers in some capacity. That's all I want.
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Yeah he jests about doing the Hawkeye thing with pepper and getting a ranch/or farm cant remember the exact dialogue.
HeavyMetalLover91
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Unfortunately those guys don't sell tickets to the general public. It will be Iron Man and co taking front and centre.
I have to be honest, my the only time where I liked Ultron was when he got his face fucked up near the end, and he's just talking to himself while trying to gun people down. I know it would have been a lot more grim but I think seeing him actively target a people carrier and successfully blow it up would have really conveyed his evil and desperation well,"I just want to hurt you"-style.
And it's only now occurring to me that they brought up the idea of Iron-Man having to intentionally crash the city to save the many rather than the few, with Captain America protesting. Dammit, that is how you start Civil War - Stark makes the impossible call to save the Earth, but this time results in definite casualties, and also results in an event that might see government intervention over the deaths (not just having to rebuild a city). They bring that up and still resolve the film happily.
They needed to have an unsure victory in this one, and Quicksilver eating some bullets after shrugging one off earlier in the film as a gag, doesn't cut it. What I liked about Ultron was that he seemed to be a villain who had seen enough Internet shit to know exactly what not to do, and therefore had some level of guaranteed success, but the ending doesn't convey that.
And it's only now occurring to me that they brought up the idea of Iron-Man having to intentionally crash the city to save the many rather than the few, with Captain America protesting. Dammit, that is how you start Civil War - Stark makes the impossible call to save the Earth, but this time results in definite casualties, and also results in an event that might see government intervention over the deaths (not just having to rebuild a city). They bring that up and still resolve the film happily.
They needed to have an unsure victory in this one, and Quicksilver eating some bullets after shrugging one off earlier in the film as a gag, doesn't cut it. What I liked about Ultron was that he seemed to be a villain who had seen enough Internet shit to know exactly what not to do, and therefore had some level of guaranteed success, but the ending doesn't convey that.
Shuggananas
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They're too afraid to kill innocents/civilians in their movies
It's gonna be a problem with avengers 3 I think, Thanos is like the baddest of badasses but he's just gonna be menacing and not kill anybody except maybe one or two soldiers or one super hero ? Eh.
It's gonna be a problem with avengers 3 I think, Thanos is like the baddest of badasses but he's just gonna be menacing and not kill anybody except maybe one or two soldiers or one super hero ? Eh.
Miles Quaritch
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Did anyone else notice Vision had phasing powers?
I could have sworn there was a scene where he phases his hands through one of the Ultron drones, but the friends I went with say they did see it.
I didn't imagine it...did I?
I could have sworn there was a scene where he phases his hands through one of the Ultron drones, but the friends I went with say they did see it.
I didn't imagine it...did I?
I saw something like that too... Vision does have phasing powers doesn't he?
Shuggananas
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Yeah a few times he phases his hands through robots, it has a yellow effect iirc
Miles Quaritch
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Ah, good to know I didn't imagine it.
He does indeed have phasing powers. Now I'm wondering why it's not brought up at all in the movie, I mean that's one hell of a technological leap.
Maybe we'll learn more about it if he's in Civil War?
Shuggananas
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They didn't talk about his powers at all actually, he's mostly seen flying around and fighting with his hands, sometimes phasing, sometimes using the gem, he didn't seem too impressive as a fighter actually
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, he didn't really impress overall, but I did love the scene where he teams up with IM and Thor against Ultron.
That was a great moment, but now I'm wondering why he didn't just use his phase powers and rip Ultron's heart out after he locks him out of the internet.
BBQMan
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I didn't think it was that amazing it was a good fun watch but not as good as the first.
- The CG was so poor in many scenes.(Especially the intro sequence yikes)
- The whole building up that Hawkeye was going to die and then didn't was terrible.
- The New Avengers better not actually be the New Avengers because what a boring team.
- Killing of Quicksilver was dumb
- The obvious fact that Vision is going to have to "Die" when Thanos gets a hold of all the gems.
- Ultron had so much more potential but it was wasted on useless scenes like the whole hideout scene.
That would be boring. You are essentially replacing 3 of the most popular characters with two who are humans and one thats an "Enhanced". Vision is going to have to "die" to have Thanos control the infinity gem.
- The CG was so poor in many scenes.(Especially the intro sequence yikes)
- The whole building up that Hawkeye was going to die and then didn't was terrible.
- The New Avengers better not actually be the New Avengers because what a boring team.
- Killing of Quicksilver was dumb
- The obvious fact that Vision is going to have to "Die" when Thanos gets a hold of all the gems.
- Ultron had so much more potential but it was wasted on useless scenes like the whole hideout scene.
That would be boring. You are essentially replacing 3 of the most popular characters with two who are humans and one thats an "Enhanced". Vision is going to have to "die" to have Thanos control the infinity gem.
They do, but that's for another place apparently. In DareDevil there is a headline shown: 'Battle for New York! Hundreds killed!' or something like that. It gets acknowledged, but not in the Avengers itself. That is more a place for goofy fun - they don't deal with the civilian consequences too much, if they don't battle themselves it seems.
The retirement and disappearance of Hulk, Hawkeye and Thor is only for their inability to show up in Civil War. It will be interesting to see if they call themselves the new Avengers there.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Anyway, ... duckroll's post really summed up what I thought, now that I've backtracked a bit in the thread.
Mmmm.
Mmmm.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, the effects in the intro weren't great.
Thor bouncing around looked ridiculous and the scene where Tony blasts throw the window of the castle looked almost like an effect they forgot to finish. The scene where they all line up wasn't nearly as good as it looked in the trailer either.
Maybe that's just the 3D making the effects look worse, I'll know for sure when I see it in 2d sometime next week, but I wasn't overly impressed with the effects at the beginning. They got much better though, that long shot near the end was great, but not as good as the one from the first movie.
AHA-Lambda
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Yeah the old members retiring thing wasn't handled too well cos I like others here didn't really see it explained well on screen. They just sort of got replaced.
Not that it matters we know they'll be in other films and there's no way they won't be in Avengers 3 anyway
Not that it matters we know they'll be in other films and there's no way they won't be in Avengers 3 anyway
Shuggananas
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Maybe vision can live on with just jarvis inside of him ? I'm not sure what the gem is for, it should be the source of his energy (it absorbs sunlight) but it seems to be different in this
BBQMan
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I watched it in 2D and it was pretty bad. There is a point where Thor lands infront of an explosion and my god is it an eyesore.
Yeah they did a terrible job at explaining it. I thought it was his energy source.
The whole movie seemed rushed and forced.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Yeah the old members retiring thing wasn't handled too well cos I like others here didn't really see it explained well on screen. They just sort of got replaced.
Not that it matters we know they'll be in other films and there's no way they won't be in Avengers 3 anyway
ya true. i have somewhat calmed down a bit now. was rabble-rabble-rabble a bit since my favourite avengers are thor and ironman. wah.
but yeah. no way they are not going to be in avengers 3, really. all that established fanbase money!!
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