TheKaeptain
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Zod is a really interesting character. Has been for awhile.
Dark Knight Rises v Man of Steel (Which one sucked more?)
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Zod is a really interesting character. Has been for awhile.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Neither sucked but Dark Knight Rises was the better movie
I think that's a fair thing though.
One of the reasons he's a good villain is because you understand his motives. His means are awful.
Alligatorjandro
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I thought they were both good but I'm not an expert
TDKR fell apart the second I left the cinema and started thinking about everything that went on. Man of Steel fell apart as I was fucking watching the thing.
So yeah, Man of Steel. Both were a mess but MoS was a complete fucking mess.
In the end I'd rather rewatch TDKR than MoS.
So yeah, Man of Steel. Both were a mess but MoS was a complete fucking mess.
In the end I'd rather rewatch TDKR than MoS.
The Chosen One
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I've been 'Superman' for exactly zero days and even I already have the mental and moral fortitude to try to move a deadly brawl into a less populated area.
To put it in simpler terms, if someone tried to have a deadly knife fight with me inside a crowded Chucky Cheese, I'd try to my damnest to move the fight outside or to a place where minimal amount of helpless kids could get hurt. I wouldn't start recklessly throwing chairs and arcade cabinets all over the place while kids are running around screaming.
If I follow your logic, I have to assume Superman is an idiot man-child, which makes him even more unappealing.
King Gilga
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What bothered me even more is how zod had this badass looking armor, but then took off and fought in the super lame looking superman costume armor.
Doubt it tough guy.
M.W.
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Yep. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Do please elaborate how you would take someone with a knife, skilled in the use of that knife and various other combat techniques, with the intent of killing you and everyone around you, while you have zero fighting experience, to a safe place where no casualties will occur.
TacticalFox88
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Really?
You'd ask the guy with the Knife "Please can we take this outside?"
:lol
This is getting towards parody
Monocle
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Good post. I agree.
You know, Superman Returns is a much more satisfying Superman story than Man of Steel. It spends time letting us get to know the characters, then challenges them with interesting situations. It's a character driven movie that uses entertaining action and drama to advance their personal development. I think it's an all around better movie, from a filmmaking perspective and a narrative one.
MoS seems to exist mainly to show people with superpowers fighting each other. For my money, movies like The Winter Soldier and The Avengers do it better, without losing touch with the human element (which I keep bringing up only because it's such a big part of the traditional
Superman mythos.)
Charles Foster Kane
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I don't care for either, but Man of Steel is worse
I don't know how to even respond to this. It looks like you are the hero we deserve!
Lol yea I'm sure while in the struggle for your life you would put the lives of others before your own. Man I love the Internet
brandonh83
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How many movies have you seen?
M.W.
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He's right though. Give me Gigli over MoS
LOL for real this thread is for losers I'm out.
Yea, I can't buy comments like these unless they have seen like 20 movies in their whole life. And it would have to be at least a REALLY strong 15 in that list.
TheKaeptain
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You've never been in a fight.
You can't shoot the gun out of someones hands. You can't dictate a fight when you're the less skilled person. If someone pulls out a knife you won't have time to get the fight outside.
I'd edit my post if I were you.
RustyNails
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Sort of, but I feel Nolan felt compelled to shoehorn Talia in. Bane was not a genius, but he certainly was the embodiment of League of Shadows and that's all the movie needed.
There was already material with Ra's and if Nolan really needed to tie Bane with the Al Ghul family, he could have brought back Ra's or show Bane becoming motivated through him (or through Ra's death). There were endless possibilities.
M.W.
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Says "crud".
QuantumFlux
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Zod's stated intention was to kill as many humans as possible. He wasn't going to follow Superman anywhere. There was no choice but to fight him in the city.
How many have you seen?
M.W.
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Been watching films since I was a wee lad, so...hundreds/thousands I don't know.
This isn't like hand to hand combat though this is like combat with live ammo and I think most people agree that there is some degree of responsibility to not fire a gun willy nilly. If a cop is in a firefight with some criminals, they are going to be concerned they aren't unnecessarily putting innocent people in the line of fire if not actively trying to get people to safety.
If Clark cared enough about humans to protect his adopted home and kill Zod when he is going to kill one family, they could at least shown him redirect a fight or attack to shield a puppy orphanage. All it takes is to show him acknowledge or be aware that people could be put in danger and do something proactive to prevent that.
That's not even dealing with the fact that Clark was constantly the one throwing the Kryptonians into buildings first. Him and Zod were standing out in a field and rather than having a corn field fight in the acres of uninhabited farmland, Clark flying tackles through a silo a mile away and into the only gas station in town, exploding it into a giant ball of fire while someone's car is at the pump filling up. Tell me that isn't reckless endangerment.
Team Filler
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So is this whole bullshit narrative of complaining how the destruction in MoS is the worst thing ever going to magically evaporate when both Age of Ultron and Batman v Superman address the rampant destruction death in both their previous movies (as Joss Whedon and the BvS teaser seem to hint at, respectively), or will some of you actually continue sticking to your guns?
My answer to the OP is neither sucked at all, but instead are differently flawed movies. I still love both and would rather watch them a hundred times over than try to slog through Avengers or Iron Man 3 again.
My answer to the OP is neither sucked at all, but instead are differently flawed movies. I still love both and would rather watch them a hundred times over than try to slog through Avengers or Iron Man 3 again.
At his worse, Bane is just entertaining. At no point did he say something that I thought sounded dangerously ignorant of real life.
TacticalFox88
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ROUGE_BLOCK
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Well when I want to watch the TDKR, I watch the whole movie.
When I watch MOS I skip to the ending fight scene because that was the only good scene for me, personally. The rest of the film can go away it was bland and very meh.
When I watch MOS I skip to the ending fight scene because that was the only good scene for me, personally. The rest of the film can go away it was bland and very meh.
The Chosen One
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Why thank you.
Admittedly, I probably should have used a "gun-fight" example instead of a "knife-fight" example. I think Monocle summed it up better. Something just felt "off" the way Superman handled the fight. Maybe at the end of the day, the battle would still have to rage on in the city. But maybe if there was at least some token effort to save or acknowledge human life in the midst of it, maybe it would have left a better taste in my mouth or I would be more invested in the scenes. As it stood, it looked like two CGI characters playing Rampage in the city.
For all its faults, "Superman Returns" also felt like it had more personal characters than Man of Steel. MoS felt like an '80s action movie parody at times.
But we are talking about the movie as it is, the movie that ended up on the screen and the fact of the matter is that Nolan still made the choice to emasculate the villain they had spent the entirety of the movie building up in the name of a twist.
No matter how you choose to interpret who Bane really is, most of his qualities as an antagonist in the story are not even his own. If Bane is a good villain than so is Ben Kingsly's Mandarin. Both characters had about as much agency and intimidating presences; more of a symbol than a legitimate threat.
Have to distract from the negative avengers reactions to keep the marvel lords happy
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TDKR was a better movie than MoS, but MoS had better action than TDKR. They both sucked in different ways, and they both were really cool in different ways too. Two flawed films that both got some things right and some things very, very wrong.
IMHO.
I used to kind of hate Superman Returns, but after seeing MoS I now have a newfound appreciation for the things that Returns got right (it still got an awful lot wrong though). Superman Returns is a better Superman movie than MoS, but MoS had much better action in it. However, nothing in MoS is anywhere near as perfect as the airplane scene in Returns. That is still the best live action Superman moment every put to film IMHO.
IMHO.
I used to kind of hate Superman Returns, but after seeing MoS I now have a newfound appreciation for the things that Returns got right (it still got an awful lot wrong though). Superman Returns is a better Superman movie than MoS, but MoS had much better action in it. However, nothing in MoS is anywhere near as perfect as the airplane scene in Returns. That is still the best live action Superman moment every put to film IMHO.
WAR recon zero
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TDKR is the worst of the two
Man of steel is not citizen kane material but at least it doesn't have Bane, bad action scenes, a very bad batman, plot holes, and cotillard phoning in the role.
Man of steel is not citizen kane material but at least it doesn't have Bane, bad action scenes, a very bad batman, plot holes, and cotillard phoning in the role.
I think I liked Man of Steel better than Dark Knight Rises. Yeah, there were some dumb things about it, but it was still more fun to watch.
BTW, Pa Kent standing inside a tornado was only about 1/3 as stupid as sending literally every cop in the city into the sewers down the same hole.
BTW, Pa Kent standing inside a tornado was only about 1/3 as stupid as sending literally every cop in the city into the sewers down the same hole.
The Chosen One
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This is the scene that really bothered me and pretty much invalidates much of the arguments the "pro-destruction" have been making.
I dare someone to plausible explain how that fits with the ethos of Superman. Even young stupid WB Smalllvile Clark would know better than to hurl a dangerous enemy from a less populated area into the only populated area in 50 square miles and creating a dangerous fireball in process no less. Sure it made for nice popcorn movie effects but it made no sense and minimized Superman in the process.
it doesn't fit, but you could argue that he wasn't thinking because he saw his mother being attacked
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