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Dark Knight Rises v Man of Steel (Which one sucked more?)
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I want to say this is a joke post but I'm not sure.
I agree.
I don't get the hate behind TDKR. Maybe I didn't look into it enough but I thought it was awesome.
roflwaffles
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You sound fun at parties.
Not with the right script.
And I hate when people try to argue reviews can't tell you anything about a film's quality. RT scores tell you little about whether or not a specific person will like a movie but it act as a general barometer.
Moral Panic
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Same. TDKR is even worse as it comes off the back of of an amazing film in TDK. Man of Steel has to deal with Superman's character which is extremely difficult because he is practically a god.
RustyNails
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All of Nolan's action sequences are kinda ass. They look good on the big screen, but if you slow them down you can easily pick them apart. He's not a great director when it comes to that stuff. He instead relies on camera positions than choreography.
DonasaurusRex
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TDKR is higher up imho, wasn't as good as the first two but it gets points for being connected to two of the best comic book movies ever.
I'd rather have a director who's shit with action scenes but great at everything than one with mediocre action scenes but shit with everything else *cough* Snyder *cough*
RustyNails
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Yes, I put that effort in a single post just for lols.
Man of Steel for me, because it didn't deliver on any of my expectations of providing character development for Superman. Dark Knight Rises was enjoyable for Batman facing off with a great performance as Bane by Tom Hardy so I got what I came for there.
This so much, one of my favourite moments. I loved the equivalent in Dark Knight but this was so good plus that soundtrack kicking in gives me shivers
To the best Batman introduction of any Batman movie, ever
This so much, one of my favourite moments. I loved the equivalent in Dark Knight but this was so good plus that soundtrack kicking in gives me shivers
The Technomancer
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TDKR easily. Man of Steel has thematic problems but its at least pretty functional as an action movie. TDKR is a goddamn mess
They tell you nothing unless you read the reviews. And how many actually do? Do you? Or do you just look at the score and go "oh, it must be shit."
I saw a rotten review that basically bitched about the movie not being a sequel to the Donnerverse and had very little content about the movie itself. Mentioned Returns more than anything.
Is that a fair review to add to that barometer? I sure as hell don't think so.
RustyNails
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Well yeah me too. Just saying that action sequences are Nolan's weakness.
Snyder is not even good with mediocre action scenes. There is no pacing or build up. Everyone and everything JUST EXPLODES.
NintendoGal
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I've never seen the OP make a post and glanced at the board with the name and thought to myself: I didn't make a thread about this.. wtf
And I haven't seen MoS but Rises definitely had many issues with it, but it was fun.
And I haven't seen MoS but Rises definitely had many issues with it, but it was fun.
Discotheque
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sites like RT tend to rate any average blockbuster above 70% and decent dramas above that too
But it's so hard to gauge quality on stuff from the really divisive directors like lynch, or cronenberg etc. when looking at these ratings. I honestly think it's silly to hold so much regard for RT ratings. People should just pick a reviewer they trust or look at other impressions to gauge a feeling for the film
Yeah. He has a spectacular ability to make a sequence that in theory should be awesome and exciting feel completely monotone and bland.
As if levity was the chief problem with any of those films.
Every Man of Steel thread always turns up at least one person who goes the "DC should just add more jokes and quips like marvel amirite" route as if tone was just one or the other, or as if most of the movies in this genre even adhere strictly to one or the other.
I don't think you actually believe that. You're telling me you can't objectively take anything at all from a RT score of 88 vs. 56? I agree that you can't decide whether an individual will like a movie solely on those numbers but that doesn't mean they're useless.
I agree that RT and Metacritic are both given too much weight.
Discotheque
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I really can't objectively look at RT scores anymore tbh. They've been really misleading towards numerous films Ive loved
I've seen it happen, to be honest.
Also, you are free to view TDKR as you please but the pictures and gifs you posted largely make the targeted points of your post come off like a joke. Those were all easily the worst parts of the movie in my opinion.
RustyNails
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In my experience, movies that are rated rotten are most usually rotten. Like Man of Steel.
But movies that are rated fresh can be hit or miss, but there are worse ways of trying to find a decent flick.
Schweinehund
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Two of neogaf's favorite movies collide.
MoS had better action/visual direction.
Dark Knight Rises had better story telling.
MoS had better action/visual direction.
Dark Knight Rises had better story telling.
Or atleast those who form their own opinions rather than appealing to popularity as a defense.
I assure you I am more fun than the shit show known as Furious 7. I know that is not a high bar but still.
SonicMegaDrive
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Man of Steel, without a shred of doubt.
I actually really enjoyed The Dark Knight Rises despite a few flaws.
I actually really enjoyed The Dark Knight Rises despite a few flaws.
RustyNails
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If those are the worst parts of TDKR I don't want to know what the better parts were lol.
Winterfang
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I'll say Dark Knight Rises. I didn't liked MoS at first but like it more later watches.
Man, I'm in a precarious situation. I like two films that are both well reviewed and well liked by audiences. I guess I should build up my street cred. Uhh, I think the original Star Wars is kinda boring. How was that?
jackissocool
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I like them both.
I can because I don't compare scores. The only time I even see things like that are when they get brought up. Not to mention I'm not a fan of comparisons for the first movie in a series to a sequel of another series.
If this was an MoS v Batman Begins thread I'm all for it.
And for the record, Batman Begins was much better than MoS, imo.
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This alone proves why TDKR is so bad. How many scenes have Batman coming from off screen to aid or attack someone? It's so bad, it made me think he went back on his promise to Fox.
Faora hopefully shows up again, she was great to watch.
No you should try to think and formulate your own opinion. May be hard for you but try. If you like it its fine. You cant expect everyone to like it because Rotten Tomatoes told you so.
Thank you. This has truly been an eye opening discussion.
Indeed. Your riveting opinions truly enlightened me as well.
Your avatar shows your bias, especially with the final bomb scene being an homage to it. Nolan needs to learn to subvert his themes instead of slaving himself to them. It is a Batman ass movie to the fullest though.
PhoenixDark
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Haven't seen Man Of Steel bot TDKR is a bad film.
MrCunningham
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Well, if there is one thing that Man of Steel did better, it was the action. But that isn't saying much considering how terrible Nolan is at directing good action set pieces. Dark Knight Rises was his best work, and yet it still looks so laughable.
I can't really decide which one I liked more. To be honest, I didn't really care for either all that much.
Yeah Nolan has a long way to go in that front. Hopefully he works with better stunt directors in the future.
Don'tBeWeird
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Oh, come on - TDKR is so much better. It's not even close.
He's coming off screen because the gif is cropped. The real shot starts with Batman in the center of the frame.
Both Nolan and Snyder confuse the fuck out of me with how uninterested they seem to be in certain areas of filmmaking. Nolan loves world building, and he puts so much energy into telling the story he wants in the way he wants to but then half asses the combat scenes in his action movies. Snyder puts so much emphasis on visual flair and presentation but seems to hardly even read his scripts. Both are mind boggling but Nolan probably moreso since he's a much more well rounded and talented director.
That slowed down GIF is more remembered than the actual scene as it appears in the film.
RustyNails
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Besides, I saw the same gif but the goon that slowly raises his gun actually fires it. It looked so much better. Trying to find it.
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