Xzilerate1690
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#TeamLocke
Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth
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#TeamLocke
MrGreencastle
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Nah, pretty sure he's on Sanghelios.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah. Gay Paris (pronounced Pair-ee) sure has changed over the centuries.
CRIMSONxSERAPH
Member
See, the problem is that the theory of Chief having the Iso-Didact's geas and being something similar to a "chosen one" goes all the way back to Halo: CE and a statement that 343GS told Chief. That statement held immense power and bright much theories and confusion all of these years with no clear answer until Halo: Silentium, which tied so much together.
Along with that, even in Halo Legends we find by Cortana that Chief has a great destiny ahead of him. Simply having "luck" isn't enough to create a destiny, but rather just a greater chance for one.
The ground work has been paid since the beginnings of Halo under the care of Bungie; 343i has just embraced it as opposed to shying away from it.
You may want elusive and vague backstory with "luck" playing a major role, but I personally would much prefer having a cohesive and well thought out universe to delve into and immerse myself in.
MrGreencastle
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I mean, he can be lucky and be Didact as he should have been. Cortana does say he's lucky in Halo 3 intro. I've always explained the luck thing in my head as a sort of tongue in cheek reference to the respawns and checkpoint system that makes Chief so successful.
CRIMSONxSERAPH
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No doubt he can be both. I guess I'm just pointing that we shouldn't run away from exploring Chief's destiny, specifically because it's been hinted at since the very beginning.
User 73706
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"YEP, THAT'S WOOD"
SaganIsGOAT
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You don't understand love then. The love themes were fine
FunkyDealer
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"Love is the one thing we’re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space."
*I'm sitting on a space ship, light years from Earth, and I get a yearning to play some Halo* - HALO TRANSCENDS DIMENSIONS!
User 73706
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I thought Halo 5 would be DirectX12
Halo 5 runs on 1080ilovepees and DidactX12
Goldfishking
Member
I thought Halo 5 would be DirectX12
cheif represents mantle, the game is about locke (who represents DX12) hunting the chief.
I agree that his "luck" is something that should be explained more other than this dude is just always lucky for some reason. At first I thought it would be the Assembly AI's doing. They guided him and the Spartan Program. And while I think the Assembly is a much better plot than forerunner space magic, the geas and shit make more sense in that AI's can't do much other than make sure the spartan program comes to fruition. They shouldn't really have any control on people being born with certain genes and shit.
I'd like to think ALL the spartan II's have these geas (after all these kids were found and selected throughout the galaxy based on genetic characteristics) in them but they are strongest in the chief or maybe he has the iso didact one or whatever. As much as I hate the convoluted forerunner ancient humanity shit 343 has done I think this is a "twist" that would be interesting.
side note: Luck was considered a genetic trait in the Ringworld series. Maybe it was a homage to that.
But there have been bungie devs that have said that the original plan was for Humanity to be forerunners. Based on some expanded ARG/Terminal/Universe stuff in Halo 3 it was implied humanity had some kind of connection with the forerunners. That they were related in some way. That's why the Librarian was so interested in them.
Play the campaign dude. It's beautiful.
shinobi602
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We don't know when the Chief and blue team meet up exactly.
In Escalation, isn't he already with them after he lies about Hood's orders?
Compsiox
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Would they really use that explanation in the game?
shinobi602
Member
Yea I believe so (haven't read it myself). I just meant in terms of the game, or moreso the start of the game. I'm not sure they'll expect every player to have read Escalation. They could show the blue team being included in the 'hunt' at some point in the game.
superNESjoe
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So do we know that's who Blue Team is? I've been out of this for a bit. Being an old school Halo book fan that'd be pretty stellar.
I heard someone saying something about Buck being a Spartan now and being on Locke's team. Is that legit?
I heard someone saying something about Buck being a Spartan now and being on Locke's team. Is that legit?
John, Fred, Kelly, Linda afaik.
superNESjoe
Member
That is Boss Hog.
I doubt Joe Staten had anything like that in mind when he wrote Halo CE. 343i has just expanded on the things Bungie created, and Bungie's ambiguous writing style makes that very easy.
Personally I'm not a fan of any kind of "chosen one" stories in science fiction. Chief was lucky and happened to be in the right place at the right time, and now I'm supposed to believe it was the 100 000 year-old Forerunners tinkering with human genome all along...
superNESjoe
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I also don't like this. It bothers me almost as much as the Forerunners not actually being people or the race that chose people to be their benefactors. There being Precursors and that Humans were once space faring and had a war with Forerunners or whatever, that whole thing kind of ruined the expanded fiction for me.
I want these as wallpapers
They should have done back-to-back covers with each team, kind of like how Mass Effect 3 had #TeamMaleShep, #TeamFemShep.
MrGreencastle
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Fred is Blue Team's leader. But they all listen to Chief because, well, he's the damn Chief. Buck and Romeo from Halo 3 ODST look to be a lock for Locke's team
but it's only guessing as of now.We know Blue Team is Fred, Linda, Kelly and Chief.
CRIMSONxSERAPH
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I don't think Bungie was planning this route of storytelling (in fact, from what I've read, I'm almost positive of such), but Bungie liked being vague in Halo. Sometimes, this is good (mystery of exactly what Chief looks like under the helmet nowadays). Other times, it quickly becomes annoying. Want to know more about the Rookie or Noble 6's backstories? There's very little we know, and was intentionally set up to stay that way. As far as Bungie was concerned, the statements 343GS made in CE were open-ended as well. The Librarian and Didact conversations in the H3 Terminals set up more questions of who these Forerunners (the first ones we had come to learn names/characteristics of) were than what they answered. What was the planet in the H3 Legendary ending? Etc. etc. etc.
None of that is necessarily bad, but I prefer the overarching story that 343i has woven from Bungie's creations. The story of the Mantle and mankind excelling to the point of receiving the Mantle (my theory on the overall theme of the games, and specifically the Reclaimer saga) is so very interesting and fun for me.
Kssio_Aug
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It seems Halo 5 will have a really strong campaing. Was it already confirmed if the co-op will be only 2 players, or 4 players?
Cause by the look of those pictures, I would guess you can choose to play both as Master Chief and Agent Locke (or it may depend on the level you are, like Halo 2 and the Arbiter), and then your co-op team would be these ones.
Cause by the look of those pictures, I would guess you can choose to play both as Master Chief and Agent Locke (or it may depend on the level you are, like Halo 2 and the Arbiter), and then your co-op team would be these ones.
MrGreencastle
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There's been a very big duality theme that 343i has been spinning with Halo 5, so I wouldn't be surprised if the "campaign" has two "versions", one with Locke and one with Chief. I have no doubts that each team will be playable and especially so when playing with 4-player co-op (like the Arbiter, and 2 Elites in Halo 3 campaign).
It was only confirmed to be 2 player co-op for spliscreen (across all modes btw). We don't know about 4 player online co-op yet.
EroticSushi
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I can see 4 player co-op being in. They might have each player having a certain special ability. Players being as Fred would be better in close quarter combat, Kelly would have a better sprint function, etc
Kssio_Aug
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Two campaings with each visions could be very awseome if done right! Hopefully they wil nail it!
Yeah, I guess its 2 players split-screen and 4 players online though! That must be the case! =D
Now, is there an explanation of why are they making this "confusion" between the representative colors and the characters?
I mean, besides Locke's helmet being represented by the blue color, and Chief's by the red color, and their big picture is in the left side and right side respectively. Why is their team represented with the inverted colors, and in the the opposite direction?
CRIMSONxSERAPH
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I'd imagine it's because having the Blue Team hued blue helps their recognition for lore fans, but having a large Locke helmet with a blue visor on the red side wouldn't look right. Also, with Chief's visor being orange/gold it makes sense visually to have his large helmet above the orange hued side.
As some have speculated, it could also represent that Chief is watching for "red team", and likewise Locke is watching for Blue Team.
MrGreencastle
Member
Yep, based on the two live action trailers and that in the beta Arena multiplayer maps had 2 versions, I'd say we'll get Chief's campaign and then Locke's will be framed as trailing behind in his wake of destruction or something. Could be cool, and a "easy" way for 343i to save some money on making reusing the content they've made.
Spot on I'd say. Anyone want to shoop the teams reversed? I'm bad.
SaganIsGOAT
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I think Chief's chest piece is just too large. Locke has this very poignant assertion with his head and chest in his stance. His armor helps push that narrative tremendously.
Broadbandito
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is Mishak voiced by Kumail Nanjiani? I'm just listening to these today and I'm all aboard the hype train
That's funny - I asked this question about a week ago. Yes, he's playing the character. Voice acting is great in this series.
Captain Zyrain
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Something I was thinking about is how impressive it is for the Halo saga to be continuing on their 5th mainline game, and still appearing to be going strong.
I was trying to think of, but came up pretty empty, but how many other series have had 5+ games? Games where you kept the same story/protagonist throughout.
Assassins Creed has had a bunch, but each game jumps around and is only tied together due to the game universe. Resident Evil? I think they take place in the same 'universe' but each game had different characters/etc. Uncharted is on the 4th game, so I suppose that's close. I never played them but I figure they're all intertwined?
Either way, Halo has been going for almost 15 years now, with a contiguous story, protagonist (for the most part), and setting. That's pretty impressive I think. To go that long with only relatively minimal 'retcons', AND while switching studios AND 3 different consoles has to be difficult.
The whole 'problem' of the extended media is a tricky one though. I do feel no one should be 'required' to buy books/comics/movies in order to understand a game, but at the same time, what should you reasonably expect your audience to know about the series when you're 15 years into the story? Should someone who is buying Halo 5 be reasonably expected to have seen/followed the #HUNTtheTRUTH marketing campaign? At least be exposed to some of the TV/internet commercials? Has to be a tough tightrope to walk, especially for an established series.
I feel that each game can't be expected to go over the entirety of the previous games, as that would take forever. But then are you only making games for people who've played your previous games? That doesn't seem like a good idea either.
You can watch pretty much any James Bond movie without knowledge of the previous one(s) since they are only very loosely related for the most part. Star Wars does a good job of catching people up on the basics via the intro scroll. Would watching The Return of the King be really confusing if you hadn't seen the first two movies?
I'm the type of end user who loves consuming as much extended media as there is available, but obviously there are lots of people who are not like me, how do you make a product that appeals to both?
I was trying to think of, but came up pretty empty, but how many other series have had 5+ games? Games where you kept the same story/protagonist throughout.
Assassins Creed has had a bunch, but each game jumps around and is only tied together due to the game universe. Resident Evil? I think they take place in the same 'universe' but each game had different characters/etc. Uncharted is on the 4th game, so I suppose that's close. I never played them but I figure they're all intertwined?
Either way, Halo has been going for almost 15 years now, with a contiguous story, protagonist (for the most part), and setting. That's pretty impressive I think. To go that long with only relatively minimal 'retcons', AND while switching studios AND 3 different consoles has to be difficult.
The whole 'problem' of the extended media is a tricky one though. I do feel no one should be 'required' to buy books/comics/movies in order to understand a game, but at the same time, what should you reasonably expect your audience to know about the series when you're 15 years into the story? Should someone who is buying Halo 5 be reasonably expected to have seen/followed the #HUNTtheTRUTH marketing campaign? At least be exposed to some of the TV/internet commercials? Has to be a tough tightrope to walk, especially for an established series.
I feel that each game can't be expected to go over the entirety of the previous games, as that would take forever. But then are you only making games for people who've played your previous games? That doesn't seem like a good idea either.
You can watch pretty much any James Bond movie without knowledge of the previous one(s) since they are only very loosely related for the most part. Star Wars does a good job of catching people up on the basics via the intro scroll. Would watching The Return of the King be really confusing if you hadn't seen the first two movies?
I'm the type of end user who loves consuming as much extended media as there is available, but obviously there are lots of people who are not like me, how do you make a product that appeals to both?
FollowTheWind
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I feel the idea that you should read the extended universe to understand the game is really exaggerated. I recently read the escalation comics because it was touted as a "must read" before Halo 5, yet apart from the MC segments, I don't really feel like it was necessary.
Even the MC bits are a bit unnecessary, we assume the Didact dies at the end of H4,
obviously he survives but then MC ends up killing him again anyways after
The one thing I liked from the comic is just how it really made Didact seem like a threat, the way he soaked up all those bullets like it was nothing. In H4 he just seemed like some high tech guy with telekinesis.
CRIMSONxSERAPH
Member
It'd be nice to have an optional explanatory medium (such as a title crawl, summarized synopsis, etc.) that goes over the canon needed to understand and appreciate the game's story to is fullest.
When you think about it, you mainly have three groups of Halo players, with some obvious overlapping. You've got those who play through the campaign because they either already love the story or are wanting to enjoy it, you've got the players who play the multiplayer for competitive/recreational purposes, and then you've also got the group of achievement hunters, also with a possible combination of the three.
In my opinion, 343i shouldn't concern themselves with the players that admittedly only care about the multiplayer understanding the canon. Those that are playing for achievements only probably shouldn't be the ones analyzing a game's story either. It boils down to the players that either casually or deeply follow the Halo story being the ones the campaign team should concern themselves with. As such, any player who claims to want to understand the story (to the degree of potentially complaining about it) should be willing to at least read a brief synopsis (or extended terminal?) to show the most comprehension for the game. If someone willfully chooses to decline such an educating introduction, they have no one to blame for their ignorance at that point but themselves. It'd be no different than someone skipping cutscenes and complaining about the story not making sense.
Just my two cents.
Poodlestrike
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Captain Zyrain
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Yeah, it's literally hard for me to understand the complaint from people who say they feel lost without the extended universe info.. since I already know it. I am unable to understand from their point of view, which makes discussions about it hard.
For Halo 4, I had read the books, so I somewhat knew what to expect, but I can't really understand why it would be so confusing, as the Chief was unaware of the books contents, so I felt like non-book readers would be placed in 117's shoes. The build up to the release of the Didact was a big unknown, releasing him should have been a big surprise. I guess maybe the Librarian info was a shot from left field? I guess I can see that being confusing as it had only ever been lightly referenced in the Terminals previously.
The Didact was COMPOSED at the end of Escalation, not killed. I didn't get that the first time I read it either.
or composed
The big news (universe wise) is that
Gamma Halo
As I said before, I love all the extended fiction, and am super glad to see it be brought into the mainstream games, I just hope they can do so in a way that 'reintroduces' the characters in a proper way for newcomers alike.
RandyBobandy
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Holy fuck boys..
Didn't think I would be, but I'm pretty pumped for Halo 5. Yet I know next to nothing about it. Was it ever said if Arbiter or The Flood are returning? I know Locke had that cutscene with Arbiter, but I need more Keith David
Didn't think I would be, but I'm pretty pumped for Halo 5. Yet I know next to nothing about it. Was it ever said if Arbiter or The Flood are returning? I know Locke had that cutscene with Arbiter, but I need more Keith David
EroticSushi
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Arby is in it but we don't know about the flood.
SmartWaffles
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There is no reason for 343 to hire a huge name as Keith David to just record a couple cutscenes.
