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MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd
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Because the guys coming up just aren't as good anymore. The heavy weight division has been bereft of talent (sans Klitchko brothers) since Lewis retired. Also like him or not Mayweather knows how to win a fight. The young guys just don't have enough experience to compete and beat these guys, see Canelo and to a certain extent Bradley.
I don't think you're being very fair to some lesser known young upstarts. Amir Kahn, Golovkin, Kovalev, Wilder, Thurman, Broner, Garcia etc. are fantastic talent that would make for competitive bouts against the three veterans in question.
entremet
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Also, boxing in general has been bleeding the best athletes. The best athletes go to other sports, where the risk is lower.
Sure a once a generation talent like Tyson, who squandered it, or Mayweather can make bank, but the average is low. Not to mention the issues with CTE, which was known in boxers much earlier than Pro Football.
Also the lack of rivalries, which are essential for combat sports.
Why is my question ridiculous, but accusing people despising Mayweather of being racist is ok? That's all I was responding to. I despise the dude for many things, He's a modern-day minstrel show who's racist, and has beaten women unapologetically, traumatized his kids, and has never shown any type of remorse, at least publicly.
Somehow he has gotten the admiration of the black community when y'all should probably be embarrassed by him if anything, but it is what it is. People are inspired by arrogance and cockiness when it's backed by talent, but this generation's Muhammad Ali this motherfucker is not, so stop comparing them.
I didn't fall for anything, I watched the fight along with millions of others who thought Manny Pacquiao was a good matchup and would make for an exciting fight, but it didn't, and it's not all Floyd's fault. Floyd didn't come out to make a statement, he came out to outpoint his opponent and cash them checks, and Pacquiao didn't put in enough effort either. I've probably been watching boxing longer than you've been alive, I think I know the difference between a boxing master schooling an opponent and luring them into traps before ultimately destroying them in an action fight that pleases the fans, and someone just trying to not get hurt in his last couple fights and playing it safe.
Maybe you should consider not "stanning" for terrible people in general?
Jmanunknown
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WTF are you going on about the black community having admiration for floyd like you know exactly what every black person thinks about him? That bs is borderline racist. People recognize Floyd is an ahole and a horrible person. They also recognize that he is a great boxer the best of his generation.
You did fall for his bs since you actually watched the fight. I personally did not watch the fight because his fights are boring. Man I hope you did not bet on Pacquiao or anything like that because that would have been foolish. Floyd is undefeated for a reason he's a great defensive boxer who takes no chances and makes his opponents beat him.
Khan/Garcia/Thurman might get a shot at Mayweather in September. Kovalev is legit but he needs to put on weight to face Klitchko and that's a completely different can of worms. Wilder looks the part and we'll know soon enough when he faces Klitchko. There is also a rumor that Broner might fight Garcia at 140, if Garcia does not face Mayweather, which would be a very good fight. GGG is awesome but he's a middleweight so I doubt Mayweather has any interest in facing him.
theignoramus
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It's tough because many sports and entertainment figures brilliant at what they do had a dark side. My favorite rapper pistol whipped his wife and assaulted his kids. My favorite jazz musician, recognized as a le gend was a woman beater
I never laughed so much from a one word post. Thank you good sir
As a casual fan, I (as well as many others no doubt) showed up for the spectacle where it turns out there was none which made the fighting boring. That being said, I can see how avid boxing fans can find the same fight enthralling from the technical/mechanical display put on by may weather to ensure him the win
But with that said I don't understand how ppl are saying the mayweather demolished/destroyed pac. Neither one of those men really looked any worse for wear compared to when they first stepped into the ring. I'd be hard pressed to believe that either man even gave it their best shot. The match was a long time coming and they're the two biggest names in boxing and they're both walking away with guaranteed 9 figures (!!!!) Neither really had anything at stake or anything to lose
Halfway through the fight someone made a post in this thread saying how all the boring rounds were going to Floyd and the slightly less boring ones are going to pac. This seems pretty accurate. I didn't see anyone get demolished, dominated, schooled, shit on, walk into any traps, etc but it's obvious may weather outworked pac in the ways that counted
kn0wsk1lls
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damn.
CopperPuppy
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This.
Golovkin in particular is outstanding. He's easily boxing's bogeyman right now. The dude has middleweight speed with (light) heavyweight power, along with solid technique and an iron chin. The real scary part is that he can probably do a number of weight classes, since he walks around at 170-175, and the smaller guys won't fucking go near him. He's expressed a willingness to fight May or Pac at 154 but I don't think it comes as any surprise that they want absolutely no part of GGG, nor do I think either of those hypothetical fights would be close. He's just too much of a mismatch for a lot of the smaller guys he could technically make weight for. I'd honestly rather see GGG/Froch, Quillin, Ward, Kovalev. I truly believe he would crush any middleweight or junior middleweight/super welterweight, hence the rampant avoidance.
For those other guys, I am not sold on Garcia after his last few bouts. I do think Khan has found a groove, but I don't see him as a threat to PBF. Broner moving up for future bouts is very intriguing to me, and I think that's actually on the horizon. As for Wilder, I think it's clear we'll see him and Klitschko next year if the latter gets past Fury.
Which brings me to Thurman, who I think might be the most interesting matchup for Floyd's 49th in September. He's been very impressive in his 25 pro fights, and despite him slowing down against Guerrero in the later rounds, he was fucking unstoppable early in the fight. He's young and can obviously work on his stamina, and assuming he does, would make for maybe the most interesting fight for Mayweather. He's got great power, speed, killer instinct, and perhaps most importantly, youth and potential. No way he's hit his prime yet.
At the end of the day, I think Floyd fights Khan later this year (Ramadan issues aside). That said, I think Thurman is the better fight.
DEATH;162578641 said:
You underestimate Floyd's defensive acumen to such an extreme extent. It sounds like the equivalent of a hater saying Tom Brady isn't a great QB but a product of the system. He's great but... LOL.
Yes, this fight is about showing the best fighter between these two. Facts are Manny lost and that's not a bad thing because Floyd is the greatest defensive fighter of his generation. Floyd came in with a gameplan and executed it. He executed it so well that the sodium content reached Super Saiyan 4 Goku levels.
The sodium content reached Jesus Yamato during the finale of Gundam Seed Destiny levels. I looked up and saw the field littered with hurt souls and rainbows.
Floyd goes on First Take tomorrow and sautés Skip and I CAN'T WAIT.
Megalosaro
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Those are analogies that I understand
The Chosen One
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Random thoughts:
1. This was a boxing match, not a fight. It was a pretty good boxing match. The problem was it was sold as a $100 PPV Fight, which clearly it wasn't. Sadly, because of the misleading marketing, boxing probably lost a ton of potential fans last night.
2. On the same note, I'm sure about 95% of the people who bought the PPV probably never saw a Floyd fight. And 93% of them probably didn't care because they bought into the hype and assumed Manny would destroy Floyd. The whole thing really does feel eerily reminiscent of the movie Great White Hype. Most boxing fans knew unless Manny found a way to drastically change the equation, Floyd would likely win in his usual manner in a decision.
3. I'm mostly disappointed with Manny because it didn't seem like he took any major risks to try to beat the odds and change the equation. He fought very cautious and only showed small bursts of raw aggression. Maybe Manny gets KTFO but it would have been nice if pushed harder to get Floyd out of his comfort zone by being more aggressive. At minimum eventually the ref would have to start deducting points for Floyd's excessive clinching.
4. Boxing is dead. For boxing to be popular, there has to be a championship boxer who is both dominant/stylish and has an enigmatic/charismatic personality. And if they're in the heavier divisions even better because it better satisfies the public's bloodlust. It's a shame boxing organizers squandered all the opportunities when boxing was at its heights 15-20 years ago. But all the greed, corruption, and mismanagement prevented the super fights from happening when they were suppose to (if ever at all). When we did get the super fights it was almost always when one or both fighters were past their primes.
It would be great to see boxing make a comeback but it's going to take a real showman, someone who can back it up with skill and flare. And HBO/Showtime need to stop selling snake oil on PPV. If you're going to charge $100 a pop, then put together the right ingredients that will produce an exciting fight, which the casuals will actually enjoy.
1. This was a boxing match, not a fight. It was a pretty good boxing match. The problem was it was sold as a $100 PPV Fight, which clearly it wasn't. Sadly, because of the misleading marketing, boxing probably lost a ton of potential fans last night.
2. On the same note, I'm sure about 95% of the people who bought the PPV probably never saw a Floyd fight. And 93% of them probably didn't care because they bought into the hype and assumed Manny would destroy Floyd. The whole thing really does feel eerily reminiscent of the movie Great White Hype. Most boxing fans knew unless Manny found a way to drastically change the equation, Floyd would likely win in his usual manner in a decision.
3. I'm mostly disappointed with Manny because it didn't seem like he took any major risks to try to beat the odds and change the equation. He fought very cautious and only showed small bursts of raw aggression. Maybe Manny gets KTFO but it would have been nice if pushed harder to get Floyd out of his comfort zone by being more aggressive. At minimum eventually the ref would have to start deducting points for Floyd's excessive clinching.
4. Boxing is dead. For boxing to be popular, there has to be a championship boxer who is both dominant/stylish and has an enigmatic/charismatic personality. And if they're in the heavier divisions even better because it better satisfies the public's bloodlust. It's a shame boxing organizers squandered all the opportunities when boxing was at its heights 15-20 years ago. But all the greed, corruption, and mismanagement prevented the super fights from happening when they were suppose to (if ever at all). When we did get the super fights it was almost always when one or both fighters were past their primes.
It would be great to see boxing make a comeback but it's going to take a real showman, someone who can back it up with skill and flare. And HBO/Showtime need to stop selling snake oil on PPV. If you're going to charge $100 a pop, then put together the right ingredients that will produce an exciting fight, which the casuals will actually enjoy.
Whoa whoa wait up. I'm not underestimating anyone's skill here. In fact what I'm thinking is opposite. If both guys actually went in there to prove to be the best, either Floyd go like he did Hatton or Pacquiao going waaay more aggressive. Sorry but both guys are just too happy and hugs after the fight which says alot.
It's either those guys just went to get their paycheck of a lifetime, or there's something else happening that's out of the ring. I won't rule that out, because the whole thing ended up like a perfectly booked pro-wrestling match where the Manny ended up looking like a solid face that fights and earns people's hearts while Mayweather keeps his his heel persona and streak to boot. In a marketing standpoint, it's too good to just happen after this megafight.
But I don't care about those, as long as I get a freaking good match out of that kind of money they ask to pay.
Owlowiscious
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Any discussion here about Pacquiao's right shoulder and Floyd's arms and hands hurting or anything like that?
The Chosen One
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I think a lot of casual fans were expecting Pacquiao to do this to Floyd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhlxMF02bM
But Floyd isn't Hatton. Hatton didn't use an ounce of defense and got merked.
Ironically though when Ricky Hatton fought Floyd, he actually gave Mayweather a closer contest than Pacquaiao because he took more risks. That fight was also more entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhlxMF02bM
But Floyd isn't Hatton. Hatton didn't use an ounce of defense and got merked.
Ironically though when Ricky Hatton fought Floyd, he actually gave Mayweather a closer contest than Pacquaiao because he took more risks. That fight was also more entertaining.
Took him to school. Need more of these.
DEATH™;162578641 said:
This is the post of someone who hasn't watched Floyd's other fights. He has made many a boxers look like a joke or a sparring session once they got in the ring and actually had to face Floyd's boxing prowess. Evidence one, just like at the Canelo fight.
I'm sorry but what did the marketing have to do anything? It was marketed as the most anticipated fight of the century because it was the most anticipated. And they did their job, which was to promote and sell that fight. Everything that happens when the first bell sounds is on the fighters.
The fight game ain't what it used to be. Younger fighters are now coddled and brought along at a snails pace. Promoters are bent on keeping their young guns undefeated and their pockets stuffed.
AwesomeMeat
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Mayweather Vs. "Little Pac" PunchOut!
Thought you filthy casuals would enjoy this since it ties back in to video games.
Thought you filthy casuals would enjoy this since it ties back in to video games.
Photo gallery up at Ring magazine's website:
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/...loyd-mayweather-jr-vs-manny-pacquiao#/slide/1
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/...loyd-mayweather-jr-vs-manny-pacquiao#/slide/1
2 Slice Toaster
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Like about Pacquiao being denied an anti-inflammatory shot before the fight because he didn't disclose the injury to the Nevada Athletic Commision and Bob Arum filed incorrect paperwork about it?
Quality work all around from the Pacquiao camp.
You think that hit air? I seseseveral punches connect.So many cats got gassed off of Manny flurries where 95% of the punches hit air or glove.
Like this exchange here
Thanks for these. Masterful performance by Floyd.
this is better than anime.
Nothing on the head/body, though. Just gloves & arms, hence the "lolnope."
DragonSworne
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He got punched in the gut cleany. The only reason he went "lolnope" is because he got hit.
MisterR
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All those punches connected with were gloves and arms. Those are not solid, scoring punches.
Punch-Out version of the fight.
https://youtu.be/pCVhyrgWSBY
https://youtu.be/pCVhyrgWSBY
Crimson_Gold
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So, just another day on ESPN?
No you don't. You sound like a boxing fan. It's especially frusturating in these moments when everyone and their mother watched the fight and is giving their expert analysis of what went wrong and what needs to change in the sport. There was literally only 1 moment in the entire fight where I thought Pacman might actually show us something and work Mayweather a bit (4th round). Every other flurry was 99% blocked or outright dodged.
Your example would be the equivalent to watching the Super Bowl with people that don't know about Football, they root and cheer every time their QB throws up a ball, regardless whether it was intercepted, thrown out of bounds, or fumbled. Except in those cases, people rarely complain that 100 years of rules need to be changed because it's not like the movies.
bengraven
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Family member lost one of his best friends over this fight. BIL is a Pac fan and apparently someone was rubbing it in his face that Mayweather won by showing the #s. BIL made a half-joke/half-jab about Mayweather's domestic abuse record and suddenly a flurry of people he had never even met suddenly attacking him. One of which was his best friend since high school who was saying some really offending shit like "sorry [BIL]'s dick must have fallen off or it's wife posting. I want to apologize to you all for [BIL]'s girly behavior. He sides with bitches on shit like this." BIL responds with "I still have my dick...you're between my legs last time I checked."
I'm hoping they can resolve this.
I'm hoping they can resolve this.
I wouldn't say I'm frustrated, it's more that I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
It's bizarre to begin with to see boxing get this much attention, but the range of comments has been even stranger. People claiming that Pac won when Floyd out-landed him by 148 to 81 and people claiming that Floyd ran when he actually out-threw Pac over the course of the fight (435 to 429). Overall it wasn't a high-output fight, but Floyd did more than his part to make the action. Going in, many analysts said that Pac would need to throw 800 punches to be competitive, and yet he only mustered an anemic 429. Floyd's game is precision, Pac's game is volume. Pac's performance could never represent a win.
It was a dominant win by the best of this era against the second best. These reactions don't make any sense.
DoktorEvil
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It is what it is.
I rewatched the fight, having it recorded. Floyd fought no differently than he did against Cotto, against Hatton, against De La Hoya, etc.
He was calculated and took his time. That 4" reach advantage mattered. Jabs aplenty. Pac was able to get a few good blows in but he couldn't be his usual frantic self.
My dad calls himself a boxing fan and was disappointed in the fight. I don't think he realizes or acknowledges how good Mayweather is with his defense.
That was the first time I've seen Mayweather fight. I felt his defensive play was quite skillfull. He used a combination of weaving, bobbing and deflections with his glove that kept Manny guessing on how to engage him.
DoktorEvil
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If you liked that, you'll enjoy watching his other victories against other equally impressive opponents.
I still can't wait for him to fight Amir Khan.
Stats: Fewest Punches Thrown and Landed By Pacquiao
By CompuBox
FEWEST PUNCHES THROWN BY PACQUIAO IN 12-ROUND FIGHTS
(Out of last 14 fights)
429 -- L 12 Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/2/2015)
563 -- W 12 Timothy Bradley II (4/12/2014)
578 --W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez III (11/12/2011)
619 -- W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez II (3/15/2008)
639 -- D 12 Juan Manuel Marquez I (5/8/2004)
(Manny threw 134 fewer punches vs. Floyd than against any other opponent in a 12-round fight. That's 11 fewer per round)
FEWEST PUNCHES LANDED BY PACQUIAO IN 12-ROUND FIGHTS
(Out of last 14 fights)
81 -- L 12 Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/2/2015)
148 -- D 12 Juan Manuel Marquez I (5/8/2004)
157 -- W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez II (3/15/2008)
176 -- W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez III (11/12/2011)
198 -- W 12 Timothy Bradley II (4/12/2014)
(Manny landed 67 fewer punches vs. Floyd. That's 6 per round)
http://www.boxingscene.com/stats-fewest-punches-thrown-landed-by-pacquiao--90590
By CompuBox
FEWEST PUNCHES THROWN BY PACQUIAO IN 12-ROUND FIGHTS
(Out of last 14 fights)
429 -- L 12 Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/2/2015)
563 -- W 12 Timothy Bradley II (4/12/2014)
578 --W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez III (11/12/2011)
619 -- W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez II (3/15/2008)
639 -- D 12 Juan Manuel Marquez I (5/8/2004)
(Manny threw 134 fewer punches vs. Floyd than against any other opponent in a 12-round fight. That's 11 fewer per round)
FEWEST PUNCHES LANDED BY PACQUIAO IN 12-ROUND FIGHTS
(Out of last 14 fights)
81 -- L 12 Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/2/2015)
148 -- D 12 Juan Manuel Marquez I (5/8/2004)
157 -- W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez II (3/15/2008)
176 -- W 12 Juan Manuel Marquez III (11/12/2011)
198 -- W 12 Timothy Bradley II (4/12/2014)
(Manny landed 67 fewer punches vs. Floyd. That's 6 per round)
http://www.boxingscene.com/stats-fewest-punches-thrown-landed-by-pacquiao--90590
Battersea Power Station
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Huh, this fight aside, it's pretty striking that his gross output went down with time while his punches landed went up. That's quite an efficiency improvement. Of course, none of his opponents were as defensively proficient as Floyd.
Those are the lowest five numbers out of his last 14 fights, so it might look like there is less of clear trend if you looked at the numbers/dates for all 14, or all of his fights overall.
That said, it is well documented that his boxing skills have improved tremendously in the last 10 years. He has come a long way from his savage performances against Lehlo Ledwaba and Marco Antonio Barrera.
Owlowiscious
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One thing I noticed as a filthy casual is that, while watching watching a compiliation video of all the 'hugs', Pacquiao does nothing in all of them, and Mayweather punches Pacquiao during most of them. Is that allowed? To me, Pacquiao came out of this the better man. Mayweather could still win with his defensive style without doing all the shady shit.
Which is why I'm curious if the shoulder thing affected his stats this greatly or is it Mayweather's defense. Less punches landing because of defense is easy to see, but less punches thrown?
Quality work aside, could this be a cuase of his performance?
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