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[Rubenov]

I'm watching the Canelo Alvarez vs. Mayweather fight, and I can tell that was a much better fight than last night's.

If there was anyone who could have beaten Mayweather, in my view, it was Canelo. The fact that he didn't means Floyd will retire undefeated.

Canelo had an undefeated record, strong, young and full of promise. He entered the fight with a big smile... happy as he could be. After losing that fight, I realize he will never be the same.

In the interview pre Manny-Pacquiao fight, asking who he thought would emerge victorious... he of course said Mayweather but I could sense extreme bitterness in his response. No more smiles from him. A bright prospect was dimmed down by Floyd.

Just my observations.

 

[BananasWithGuns]

Defensive boxer boxes defensively. Somehow people are surprised.

 

[methane47]

Boxing 1.54 update plans

*Clinch-hugging is proving to be too effective. Will be getting looked at for a nerf.
*Headlocks are proving to be too effective. Probably nerfed as well.
*Speed_attribute on mayweather class was bugged, attributes scaled exponentially instead of linearly.
*Ranged DPS has a noticeable advantage over melee in the meta game at the moment. We were hoping that melee's 130% increased DPS and aggro would make up for the disadvantage, but it does not appear to be working as well as we'd hoped.
*Accuracy modifier on pacman class has not scaled as well with new loot items as anticipated.

LOOOLLL

 

[DanteGhost]

Trash.

Ali has 37 KO's what are you implying exactly?

 

[_illmatic_]

I wonder how the real sport is going to fare when people are abandoning it like this.

I don't think it'll have much of a problem. Matthysse-Provodnikov peaked at 1.8 million views. The cards on NBC for PBC were like 3.4 million.

 

[kinggroin]

Defensive boxer boxes defensively. Somehow people are surprised.

People gonna people


At least for the sake of all our sanities, may the next mega star (if there ever is another one) sport a much more aggressive style. That way we can have our cake and eat it too.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

HA!

AS IF

(You were never watching the sport to begin with. No love lost)

You know it's true bro, gonna be a real bad look when even Mayweather's persona isn't around to do his song and dance to hype people up for the fights.

This fight was the peak before the massive trough.

 

[Frank Serpico]

I've leaned since last night that in boxing that a win does not = a win, but only 1/4 a win but a KO is only the true measure of win, any other form of victory is a disgrace

 

[illmatic22]

I don't think it'll have much of a problem. Matthysse-Provodnikov peaked at 1.8 million views. The cards on NBC for PBC were like 3.4 million.

I think Matthysse and provo peaked at 1.2 mil


The Heavyweight bout last week did hit 1.7 though

 

[El Topo]

Ali has 37 KO's what are you implying exactly?

Not exactly the most impressive KO ratio. Still the greatest.

 

[DanteGhost]

Not exactly the most impressive KO ratio. Still the greatest.

Compared to Mayweather's 26 I think is impressive.

 

[Tenebrous]

Compared to Mayweather's 26 I think is impressive.

Mayweathers KO rate for a top Welterweight is probably about par with Ali's KO rate for a top heavyweight. Don't forget that at 200LB+ anyone can put down anyone.

 

[AJLma]

Mayweather dominated pretty much the whole fight. I'm surprised, I thought it would've been a KO from one or the other but Mayweather was better at stuffing Pacquaio than I expected.

I enjoyed the fight for every round. I think when people go back and watch it, it'll be plain to see that Mayweather is just a master of the craft in his weight class, probably the best boxing promoter ever, and that this is just what boxing at the highest level looks like when 2 skilled fighters don't have 200lb+ knockout power.

 

[_illmatic_]

Compared to Mayweather's 26 I think is impressive.

The Mayweather hate is strong with this one. Bob Arum is that you?

 

[Toxi]

Plus you have people acting like Mayweather's punch is like being hit with a pillow and he can't counter:

This is some real Jedi shit.

 

[Tenebrous]

This is some real Jedi shit.

It really is. The sport will miss two great talents when May & Pac retire.

 

[El Topo]

Compared to Mayweather's 26 I think is impressive.

Different styles, different divisions, different eras. Not comparable at all. Point is, Ali wasn't exactly a knockout machine either and he had his fair share of forgettable fights.

 

[GeordieMark]

Jamie Foxx doing the anthem was a better fight.

I wish the ref would have stepped in and put it out of its misery.

 

[Hunter S.]

They're exactly the same. This thread reads the same as GSP fight threads used to.

GSP talk and anti-wrestling talk on here is why I never participate in UFC threads. I appreciated his talent and wrestling in UFC. The funny thing I find the Mayweather/boxing being boring trash talk hilarious. I must be a teir lower than a casual boxing fan. :-D

 

[DanteGhost]

The Mayweather hate is strong with this one. Bob Arum is that you?

It was a shit fight, stop denying it. And it was because your boy Mayweather decided to run and grab during must of the fight. He is faster, stronger, taller and heavier than Pacquio and he decided to fucking run. Is not that hard to see why a lot of people are disappointed about the fight.

 

[Tenebrous]

It was a shit fight, stop denying it. And it was because your boy Mayweather decided to run and grab during must of the fight. He is faster, stronger, taller and heavier than Pacquio and he decided to fucking run. Is not that hard to see why a lot of people are disappointed about the fight.

The vocal majority(?) (casual fans) are disappointed in the fight because they know bugger all about boxing.

 

[tiggerkiddo]

I know Mayweather is a scumbag in real life but I have always liked and respected his skill in the ring.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

It was a shit fight, stop denying it. And it was because your boy Mayweather decided to run and grab during must of the fight. He is faster, stronger, taller and heavier than Pacquio and he decided to fucking run. Is not that hard to see why a lot of people are disappointed about the fight.

It's not hard to see that a lot of people don't know shit about boxing, equate what MW did as running when it was really technical skill and using hugging as an excuse to say he sucked when there was a total of 5 time it happened in a 12 round fight and now out for blood because their fave didn't win. Boring fight as it was, it really isn't hard to see the people just hate Floyd and wanted him dead in the ring. It has nothing to do with the match anymore, and everyone is trying to spin their own narrative to find a way to discredit what he could do that Manny couldn't lol. Maybe those people should of paid more and Manny would of fought better, who knows?

 

[MaulerX]

No, those people sound like they are not serious about following boxing in any way.

Signed, somebody who is not serious about following boxing in any way and avoided the fight because I knew this was how it was going to go down and it was a hundred damned dollars. These people are insane people for paying so much while having no idea what they're buying. These are the people that pre-order video games and buy season passes.

Are you saying people spending $100 for something they didn't know how it was gonna go down is worse than people spending $100 on something they fully knew was going to be a borefest?

 

[FStop7]

Plus you have people acting like Mayweather's punch is like being hit with a pillow and he can't counter:

The whole reason why Mayweather's style works is because his counters are absolutely brutal.

That said, the amount of clenching in boxing has bugged me for a looong time. I do wish they would discourage it more aggressively, via point deductions. Not a gripe about Mayweather, specifically.

It was a shit fight, stop denying it. And it was because your boy Mayweather decided to run and grab during must of the fight. He is faster, stronger, taller and heavier than Pacquio and he decided to fucking run. Is not that hard to see why a lot of people are disappointed about the fight.

I'd say it was more because Pac looked weak as fuck, failing away, wasting his stamina on punching Mayweather's arms.

The whole event reeked of desperation on Pac's part combined with not taking it seriously. Acquiescing to all of Mayweather's demands. Standing around with a chumpy ass grin on his face for most of the press, clearly not hungry and not focused. Playing his own corny song for his ring walk... Roach was the only one from Pac's side who spoke with any kind of fire.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

Trash.

Yeah, no. Look at the distance on his waist relative to his head and how low his fists are.

FM's style is nowhere near as impressive, especially considering Ali would knock you the fuck out in the same instance. The majority of his contenders have gone throwing 12 rounds of punches from the same manual FM has studied by heart, and all he does is that duck dance jab.

 

[soundahfekz]

Why are you posting about domestic abuse charges from 5 years ago in a thread about a BOXING match? Please stop.

Cause he's black and black domestic offenders are worse than others, let's just be frank about it. That's why it keeps coming up.


Plus rich, arrogant, undefeated, and famous.

 

[Nordicus]

Irish Ninja trolling the shit out of this thread.

It's pretty stellar

Hate to bring Hajime No Ippo into this, but in one of the early episodes there was a guy who boxed exactly like Mayweather - by points. He hugged to exhaust his opponent and dodged everything to get points. Didn't launch anything powerful.

The audience mostly boo'd the guy and he would've won the match, but the author decided that the boxer always wanted to be an infighter so he lost to Ippo when he fell into peer pressure from the audience and his own desire.

What I got from that fight tho is that people want to see a hitting match - no one can grasp excellent technical display because it's either too fast to see or too boring to watch. If everyone did that, no one would watch boxing. Mayweather may be the only generation's exception.

Yup, Kobashi Kenta (not the wrestler), whose fighting style was inspired by "Slapsie Maxie" Rosenbloom.

The history almost repeats itself with a match that Takamura has later in the manga. This foreign challenger keeps his distance, "playing it lame" and winning by points, but loses in an instance during 12th round when the audience's cheers buff his ego so far that he wants to knock out the massive heel that Takamura unfortunately is. Gets knocked out instead.

Really, it seems George Morikawa appreciates Mayweather's style.

 

[Quake1028]

Honestly a lot of you have no clue what you are talking about and should not be anywhere near a boxing thread trying to give an opinion. Floyd totally outclassed Manny. Easily. And he would have just as easily done it 5 years ago, 3 years ago, last week, tomorrow, etc.

 

[Lebron]

Yeah, no. Look at the distance on his waist relative to his head and how low his fists are.

FM's style is nowhere near as impressive, especially considering Ali would knock you the fuck out in the same instance. The majority of his contenders have gone throwing 12 rounds of punches from the same manual FM has studied by heart, and all he does is that duck dance jab.

That's nice.

 

[soundahfekz]

Honestly a lot of you have no clue what you are talking about and should not be anywhere near a boxing thread trying to give an opinion. Floyd totally outclassed Manny. Easily. And he would have just as easily done it 5 years ago, 3 years ago, last week, tomorrow, etc.

But he didnt stand around like a punching bag!

Real boxers take intentional punches/concussions that probably lead to CTE for the fanz

Something something MMA

 

[MIMIC]

It cracked me up whenever Manny would miss a huge punch and the crowd would go wild. I thought that the commentary was really good. They were talking about how you have to judge with your eyes and not your ears....otherwise you'd think that this was a bloodbath in Manny's favor.

I don't know anything about boxing but I was watching this match rather intently. It was amazing how Mayweather consistently outmaneuvered Manny with his defense and his counters. You could see him daring Manny to go for a punch....which he would undoubtedly evade.

 

[HeartlessNobody213]

Cause he's black and black domestic offenders are worse than others, let's just be frank about it. That's why it keeps coming up.


Plus rich, arrogant, undefeated, and famous.

I've avoided posting in this thread because of all the bullshit but this is definitely a big reason.

 

[soundahfekz]

I've avoided posting in this thread because of all the bullshit but this is definitely a big reason.

I used to do that but fuck it, I call it like it is because I'm tired of the hypocrisy.

 

[Blackhead]

Mayweathers KO rate for a top Welterweight is probably about par with Ali's KO rate for a top heavyweight. Don't forget that at 200LB+ anyone can put down anyone.

The Mayweather hate is strong with this one. Bob Arum is that you?

Maidana - 40 f, 31 KOs = 0.78
Cotto - 42 f, 33 KOs = 0.74
De La Hoya - 45 f, 30 KOs = 0.67
Mosley - 59 f, 39 KOs = 0.66
Roy Jones Jr - 69 f, 44 KOs = 0.63
Márquez - 64 f, 40 KOs = 0.63
Morales - 61 f, 36 KOs = 0.59
Pacquiao - 58 f, 38 KOs = 0.58

Mayweather - 48 fights, 26 KOs = 0.54.

 

[MVP]

Cause he's black and black domestic offenders are worse than others, let's just be frank about it. That's why it keeps coming up.


Plus rich, arrogant, undefeated, and famous.

Sometimes I wonder if there were a black serial killer, if some of you guys would say, "Well of course the outrage is worse, it's because he's black!"

I mean give it a break already, Mayweather is despised because of his actions combined with his attitude, plus he's ignorant as fuck. He hasn't just repeatedly commited felonies towards women, he's unapologetic, doesn't admit he made a mistake or anything, and just pretends it never happened when asked about it. "Ah durr, buy the PPV". Fuck off, Floyd. Overall, he's dumb as fuck, but he's rich and loud so he gets a pass.

In the meantime, there's another technically brilliant boxer up at heavyweight, as dominant as Mayweather, but you probably can't even spell his last name, because he doesn't flash money and act like a moron to incite the suckers into praising him like he's some God, while his actual fighting style is effective but boring as shit.

 

[Tenebrous]

Maidana - 40 f, 31 KOs = 0.78
Cotto - 42 f, 33 KOs = 0.74
De La Hoya - 45 f, 30 KOs = 0.67
Mosley - 59 f, 39 KOs = 0.66
Roy Jones Jr - 69 f, 44 KOs = 0.63
Márquez - 64 f, 40 KOs = 0.63
Morales - 61 f, 36 KOs = 0.59
Pacquiao - 58 f, 38 KOs = 0.58

Mayweather - 48 fights, 26 KOs = 0.54.

Doesn't disprove my point.

 

[Strax]

"This is interesring, Paquiao was the Red corner, Mayweather was the Blue corner, official judges appeared to have given the points to Paquiao yet
result was a reverse, look what is hand written in the bottom of the score card on the right?"

I'm guessing this has been posted?

 

[CopperPuppy]

Truly wanted a Manny victory, but May won last night handily. One helping of crow, please.

Definitely a little disappointed and annoyed at all of the "boring" and "running" and "clinching" comments I'm seeing around social media and the like. It just isn't true. Floyd was as impressively evasive as usual, but what is he supposed to do - let himself get hit? Ridiculous. I thought Floyd was plenty aggressive, and CompuBox shows he was throwing plenty and landing at will. The clinching comments are even more absurd, as he only occasionally did it and certainly not more than is average or normal for any other match. Those saying he clinched and ran the whole fight could not have watched the same fight I did, or are blatantly mischaracterizing.

The first four to six rounds were nerve-wracking and thrilling, while the rest of the fight was Floyd's clinic in making adjustments and securing victory. As much as I dislike him, his technique is brilliant and it's still a joy to watch. I thought the fight was great.

I actually thought Manny did a great job of cutting off the ring, and I think this caught Floyd off-guard at first, but he simply could not capitalize. Pac was not accurate or quick enough to land his lefts and ended up punching air most of the time as a result. You can't and shouldn't win a fight just because you threw a couple of flashy flurries that did no real damage. Crowd-pleasing? Sure, but boxing is (thankfully) about much more. He also had no answer to that right jab - the frequency with which it landed was baffling at times. When Floyd was landing three or four of those in a row at will, I started to wonder how they could have prepared so poorly for it.

Pac's ring interview at the end was salt in the wound for me, and mostly pitiful. The rotator cuff excuses also aren't doing him any favors. His answers during the post-fight press conference were almost exclusively related to this supposed injury few had any knowledge of, nor was it ever mentioned in his corner during round breaks. Hell, the Nevada Athletic Commission directly contradicted Arum and said they didn't hear about it until yesterday evening at 6:30pm. Pac was being fed answers by Arum and Koncz and it was poor form (at one point Koncz even whispers to him: "They're trying to trap you."). Hopefully it turns out he was being truthful about it, because it was a bad look otherwise.

Ah, it pains me to see Pac and Roach go like that - I love those guys. But for a boxing fan, the process was engaging and its outcome was unquestionable. I honestly don't think a rematch is called for, the fight simply was not competitive enough.

 

[Blackhead]

Doesn't disprove my point.

Ali - 61 f, 37 KOs = 0.61

 

[Duran]

"This is interesring, Paquiao was the Red corner, Mayweather was the Blue corner, official judges appeared to have given the points to Paquiao yet
result was a reverse, look what is hand written in the bottom of the score card on the right?"

I'm guessing this has been posted?

Not sure why it matters? Names are right there above. Either way it was an easy Floyd win if you went by anything besides your ears.

 

[Tenebrous]

Ali - 61 f, 37 KOs = 0.61

KO % is higher at heavyweight.

Tyson Fury: 24W, 16KO, 66%
Wladimir Klitschko: 64W, 53KO, 83%
Alexander Povetkin: 28W, 20KO, 71%
Deontay Wilder: 33W, 32KO, 97%

None of these guys hold a candle to Ali.

You can link all the fighters you want with a higher KO percentage, but it means bugger all, as Floyd's beaten everyone he's faced (except Castillo, in my opinion).

 

[Rubenov]

Thoughts on Danny Garcia as Mayweather's last opponent before retirement?

A young, talented, up and coming undefeated boxer.

Edit: He beat Khan as well, a GAF favorite.

 

[Sinistral]

As a casual filth:

I didn't find it terribly boring, one sided and saddening sure but, Pac didn't bring it, played it too safe or more likely got completely shut down by May.

Pac's lack of legwork and flurry of attacks from awkward and dynamic angles just were not there. This is what makes Pac exciting to watch. I honestly felt these two were too chummy in the ring. Between the holds and taunts from May, Pac showed too much respect.

May dominated, even got offensive a few times surprisingly. As someone who heavily enjoys Ippo, appreciating his outboxing makes sense. The post match in-ring interviews were dead on. May out-boxed Pac. Pac got big headed and his team let him down. I'm used to seeing Freddy Roach talk a lot more in the corner but he was real silent. Whereas it was good to see Mayweather Sr. show disappointment and push May.

Would like to see a rematch but, don't really care. Younger more hungry fighters need to be brought into the spotlight. As someone who doesn't have cable. These sport events need to embrace the internet.

 

[Blackhead]

KO % is higher at heavyweight.

Tyson Fury: 24W, 16KO, 66%
Wladimir Klitschko: 64W, 53KO, 83%
Alexander Povetkin: 28W, 20KO, 71%
Deontay Wilder: 33W, 32KO, 97%

None of these guys hold a candle to Ali.

You can link all the fighters you want with a higher KO percentage, but it means bugger all, as Floyd's beaten everyone he's faced (except Castillo, in my opinion).

Ali missed 4 years in his prime. Ali knocked out his biggest competitors (Fraizer, Foreman). Floyd beat his by decision (Oscar, Pac). The defining image of Ali is:

Mayweather's will be a hug:

 

[Tenebrous]

I'm not arguing that Mayweather is better than Ali (he isn't), but to constantly bring up his KO percentage as a negative really is nonsense. I doubt Floyd cares about career defining photos, to be honest.

 

[gatti-man]

KO % is higher at heavyweight.

Tyson Fury: 24W, 16KO, 66%
Wladimir Klitschko: 64W, 53KO, 83%
Alexander Povetkin: 28W, 20KO, 71%
Deontay Wilder: 33W, 32KO, 97%

None of these guys hold a candle to Ali.

You can link all the fighters you want with a higher KO percentage, but it means bugger all, as Floyd's beaten everyone he's faced (except Castillo, in my opinion).

Ali never ducked anyone. Floyd ducked Paq. That's a fact and it invalidates him from any list of greatest ever. He's great but the best don't duck fights. They take on all comers.

I'm not arguing that Mayweather is better than Ali (he isn't), but to constantly bring up his KO percentage as a negative really is nonsense. I doubt Floyd cares about career defining photos, to be honest.

Ah ok never mind then.

 

[KingKong]

This Mayweather talk reminds me of what people said about Kobe and LeBron in the NBA. At some point you just have to accept that the greatest athletes in our generation are totally comparable to the greatest of the previous generation, and all it's going to take is another decade for them to get their deserved legacy

 

[Blackhead]

I'm not arguing that Mayweather is better than Ali (he isn't), but to constantly bring up his KO percentage as a negative really is nonsense. I doubt Floyd cares about career defining photos, to be honest.

You brought up the KO percentage. It's not about who is better (Ali was obviously), it's about who is more entertaining and whose fights are boring. Ali would dance around and then knock you out. Mayweather dances around then holds and jabs to a decision.

I'm not arguing that Mayweather isn't smart, that what he doesn't isn't hard, and that for the hardcore boxing fan it isn't brilliant to watch. All I'm arguing is that his fights are boring. Floyd has the lowest KO percentage of the top boxers in his class. He didn't beat them by KOs either. That's a negative.

 

[King Tubby]

This is more dynamic and interesting than anything Mayweather did (or had to do) in this fight.