The most important outcome of all of this is whether the NFL will change the rule regarding teams taking control of the balls after inspection. If the NFL wants to take the integrity of this game seriously then they need to change the rule, one approach is to have a league employee take responsibility of the balls rather than a team employee. They also need to measure and re-inflate/deflate balls at half-time to ensure they continue to meet the requirements.
AP: NFL finds it probable that Patriots deliberately deflated balls
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Zvonimir Boban
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Nope, they deflated the balls AFTER the refs had checked them. Read the report.
Duxxy3
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Severe?
Outside of this investigation or any of this, I don't think it particularly matters what the pressure of the ball is. NFL QB's are good enough to adjust to throwing a basketball if that's what they're given (or watermelons I suppose).
Alligatorjandro
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The report does not definitively say that they deflated the balls.
Read the report.
IcyRhythms
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As a Colts fan, I will admit that I think we lose that game to the Pats. Cheating or not. They're just better than we are. Mathis not playing when we needed pressure the most didn't help, but you gotta be next man up. Our next man up just isn't Robert Mathis. You can't replace a guy like that. It's a team effort and we just didn't have it in that game. That said, we get one step closer since Luck has been a Colts. Year 1, bounced out first round...year 2, second round, and this year we lost in the AFC championship game. I got Colts and Packers in the Superbowl for this upcoming season.
Cheating is cheating, though. Someone needs to bring the hammer down on the Patriots. If Brady and Belichick had knowledge, they should have to sit it out this season.
Cheating is cheating, though. Someone needs to bring the hammer down on the Patriots. If Brady and Belichick had knowledge, they should have to sit it out this season.
Again the NFL is only saying probable because they can't actually prove it as they don't know what went on in the bathroom. This whole thing is stupid as from the NFL's own report, the Colts had a ball that was under 12.5 which means that this rule of having all balls inflated to a minimum of 12.5 is not really mandated as the supposed clean balls are also under pressured in colder weather games if you assume the Pats cheat and the Colt's don't.
Try Chapter VII. Scientific Evidence and Analysis.
According to Anderson, the Colts ball may have varied by as much as 0.4 psi (12.8 to 13.1). As evidenced by the differing measurements by the NFL officials, it's also not an exact science. It, however, is exact enough to clearly see that the drop for the Patriots balls is much larger than for the Colts balls.
Zvonimir Boban
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forgeforsaken
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No way. A few things, the report claims Kraft and Belichick likely didn't know. It sort of unintentionally implicates the refs weren't testing the balls properly. And in regards to Brady all they have is "more probable than not" and there's no way the NFLPA lets any kind of punishment come down on Brady if all they got is "we think ya did it but can't really prove it."
TheDrizzlerJ11
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I love people saying this doesn't affect anything. Look at Patriots fumble numbers compared to other teams. Hmmmmmmmmm
Baraka in the White House
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Sportsball does some weird shit to people.
This is where I get confused, if it doesn't matter, then why does the NFL go to such lengths to get investigate this issue if they don't plan on changing the rules to prevent this.
Bill has them scared to fumble.
forgeforsaken
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That study has already been debunked for using bad data, where they didn't take into consideration dome teams, even though dome teams play half their games on the road, amongst other factors.
Duxxy3
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Because information got leaked to a colts reporter. Colts reporter wrote a story. Mort wrote a national story.
The NFL wasn't going to investigate itself. Nobody gave a shit about football pressure until that leak.
Alligatorjandro
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#PatriotsStandUnited
Lots of strange things that happened there, with Brady at the very center, but I agree I don't find the report to be conclusive enough to punish Brady. If McNally or Jastremski were to open up however ...
The Patriots are always involved in some sort of underhanded rulebreaking and hijinx. Even when they aren't explicitly cheating, they seem to benefit from every missed or blown call. The refs and the league just look the other way and say fuck you give me money to the fans. Its rigged! RIGGED!
How can anyone ever root for a team that wins that way. I just don't get it.
How can anyone ever root for a team that wins that way. I just don't get it.
It's impossible to conclude that since they only measured 4 of the Colts balls.
The science is anything but inexact. The Ideal Gas Law affects every football to the same extent. If the Colts footballs started at the same pressure but ended at different pressures, the only conclusion one can draw is that there are other factors at play which the report fails to account for, which makes its based-entirely-on-conjecture-with-zero-actual-evidence-to-back-it-up conclusion all the more ludicrous.
Sean Payton did not have first hand knowledge of Bounty Gate and Goodell gave him a year suspension.
It happened, rules were broke and now someone will pay the price.
Alligatorjandro
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#blessed
Baraka in the White House
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A lot of sports fans seem to enjoy stanning for bad guys who win.
I understand that, but with this sort of attention and detail, you would think a rule change is imminent.
Killing_Joke
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Amazing. Tom is right with A-Rod in the most tainted successful career group ever.
Skinny Pete
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I just love that the ball boys seem to hate Brady. Hilarious.
teruterubozu
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Oh, so you think drawing conclusions from incomplete data is an acceptable practice. I see there's no point in trying to have a rational debate with you. Carry on, then.
MetalFearSolid
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Thought I should post it here as well
I found that quite funny as well!
The Pats aren't going to have a normal media day for the foreseeable future.
On the gauges:
Also, the report did not fail to account for other factors.
All of their extensive tests are described in the Appendix.
Duxxy3
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Yeah I definitely think a new procedure will be put in place. Even if I, personally, think it's unneeded, the league has no choice now. Either the league takes over handling or outsources to an independent third party.
Either way, QB's should get used to ball at around 13 psi.
About as damning as the report.
Are you Ted Wells?!
See the thing is Patriot fans don't like to read. So posting those if blocks of text is like garlic to Dracula. They would rather argue in circles and getting louder. The patriots are the Newt Gingrich of our generation.
forgeforsaken
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The problem is they have no log of what the actual pre-game pressures were and are going on an assumption that they were at 12.5. It's an incomplete data set.
from the report said:
RoslindaleOne
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As a Pats fan, I love reading the responses in here. It's oddly satisfying being the bad guy. Or fans of them that is.
They have no log but like they apparently always do, they did test them:
Also read page 50 and up on the pre-game procedure.
Oh so apt comparison.
Duxxy3
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So the referees measured 11 Patriot balls at half-time and 4 Colt balls, the measurements were taken by 2 referees and yet the measurements are widely inconsistent between the referees.
Does this make sense to anyone?
Different gauges along with air lost while testing.
Ah yes. I assumed they were tested in order of the columns, but most likely they were tested out of order.
It's all in the report, specifically Appendix 1, "Analysis of Gauge Measurement Error and Accuracy Effects".
Alligatorjandro
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Its good to have friends in high places.
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