May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2 mins2 minutes ago
Cameron must feel like he's in 10 pin bowling alley, knocking down 3 skittles with 1 ball #MiliCleggFarage #strike

That's true. Sturgeon will the only leader of note left other than the C-Dawg. The times they areeee a changin'.
 
More Fun To Compute said:
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Pardon my ignorance so hopefully someone can explain because a friend raised it - if a party gets a boost in votes but a loss in seats, how does that work?
 
i'm still kind of reeling, to be honest

i want to shut myself in my room for the day

i don't want to face the world
 
Hasney said:
I said it earlier, but if we vote out of the EU, I think we'll see it this term. It will pretty much show how at odds Scotland is with England politically and will probably be the best move at that point.
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I've a sneaky suspicion that the UK won't leave the EU Too many entrenched interests that only pay lip service to the Euroskeptics. They are trying to use them to gain leverage over the EU. But I think the rest of the EU will tell them to go jump. Then they will be caught in the wind.

But this term I can see Scotland getting more and more pissed at the Tory led government and the broken promises, and Cameron not able to get enough support in his own party to give the Scots anything.

I said it at the time that the Scots needed some time to digest the idea of independance. When the result hit I think a fair amount of the No voters might have had mixed feelings about the win. I think enough have changed their mind - or will over this Parliments term - to swing it from a Ney to a Yea...

Interesting times. Really NI and my own Republic is fucked if the UK leaves the EU and Scotland stays. It will be a nightmare. The border will be back. The Troubles could start up again.
 
Carbonox said:
Pardon my ignorance so hopefully someone can explain because a friend raised it - if a party gets a boost in votes but a loss in seats, how does that work?
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Well you can have a huge portion of people vote for you nationwide, but the amount of votes for each individual seat won't be enough in each region for that party to effectively gain any seats at all. Main reason why UKIP has had a crazy overwhelming amount of people voting them, but no seats to show for it.
 
Personally I'm going to embrace this like it was the 80s. Now I just need some hookers, blow and a suit straight out of Miami Vice.
Vagabundo said:
I've a sneaky suspicion that the UK won't leave the EU Too many entrenched interests that only pay lip service to the Euroskeptics.

But this term I can see Scotland getting more and more pissed at the Tory led government and the broken promises, and Cameron not able to get enough support in his own party to give the Scots anything.

I said it at the time that the Scots needed some time to digest the idea of independance. When the result hit I think a fair amount of the No voters might have had mixed feelings about the win. I think enough have changed their mind - or will over this Parliments term - to swing it from a Ney to a Yea...

Interesting times. Really NI and my own Republic is fucked if the UK leaves the EU and Scotland stays. It will be a nightmare. The border will be back. There Troubles could start up again.
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I'd agree with the first part if it wasn't for Big Dave promising a referendum on the issue. If getting out of the EU goes to a public vote, it's almost a coin toss as to if we stay in or not.
 
Carbonox said:
Pardon my ignorance so hopefully someone can explain because a friend raised it - if a party gets a boost in votes but a loss in seats, how does that work?
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Suppose you had 20% of the vote in an area, and then you go to 49%. You won't win a seat if your opponent has 51% but you have gained a lot of votes. If somewhere else, you had 51% but you go to 49%, you have lost very little votes. You did lose a seat.
 
Vagabundo said:
Fucking hell. We'll see an independant Scotland in the next decade or so I think.
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Once the 55+ generation start to die off it's possible, until then I can't see it getting over that 50% mark and being any sort of convincing victory.

If England were to vote for us to come out of the EU and Scotland wanted to stay in that could be the catalyst needed but as much as I want an independent Scotland I don't think the English majority want out of the EU either.
 
Yeah well done Nick, the electorate just doesn understand what a service you did for the country by backing the Tories in 2010, leading to such great Lib Dem polices being implemented such as....oh wait
 
Im indifferent to the Lib Dems but I feel for Nick Clegg the person here. You can tell hes been through a rough week. Regardless of your politics, don't forget he's just a guy
 
It's Reyn Time! said:
For those of you who haven't lived it and don't know anyone else who has, there were already measures in place to weed out fraudulent disability benefits claimants under Labour, and it worked perfectly well. The Conservatives simply raised the thresholds required to qualify for them to the point where virtually nobody is able to claim them while giving the private agencies targets for numbers of people to remove from benefits. This has directly resulted in countless deaths be they through suicide, lack of support or in some cases even actual starvation. These are documented things which are actually happening.

It is literally evil, and some of you supported that so you might pay slightly less tax.
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As someone who sadly had to go onto ESA whilst labor were in power I can simply say you are wrong, Labor invented ESA it was their brain child. Whilst it hasn't improved under the Tories it was Labor that brought that misery onto us disabled folk.
 
AngryMoth said:
Yeah well done Nick, the electorate just doesn understand what a service you did for the country by backing the Tories in 2010, leading to such classic Lib Dem polices being implemented such as....oh wait
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It's kinda true, we'll see just how much influence they actually had over the next 5 years with the Tories able to do what they want, but I don't think a junior partner can come out of a coalition looking good. Just look at Ireland.
 
Sir Fragula said:
I think the point is that the meagre savings to be made from cutting abuse of the welfare system are dwarfed, absolutely dwarfed by the huge gains to be made by stopping the rich and corporations from cheating us all out of the tax they owe.

But we both know which of those gets the most attention.
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Fair point. But I think it doubtful that any of the parties would do anything meaningful about the rich and corporations. Labour had time to do that, it was an issue back then too. Everyone is too afraid to do anything other than tinker around the edges
 
It's Reyn Time! said:
For those of you who haven't lived it and don't know anyone else who has, there were already measures in place to weed out fraudulent disability benefits claimants under Labour, and it worked perfectly well. The Conservatives simply raised the thresholds required to qualify for them to the point where virtually nobody is able to claim them while giving the private agencies targets for numbers of people to remove from benefits. This has directly resulted in countless deaths be they through suicide, lack of support or in some cases even actual starvation. These are documented things which are actually happening.

It is literally evil, and some of you supported that so you might pay slightly less tax.
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i know a nearly blind dude that has to fight with the fuckers every few weeks just so they actually remember to support him with payments. Saps his will to live. Shame there are so many willing scumbag collaborators in the disability offices that are happy to fuck people over.
 
Hasney said:
I'd agree with the first part if it wasn't for Big Dave promising a referendum on the issue. If getting out of the EU goes to a public vote, it's almost a coin toss as to if we stay in or not.
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Yeah. I go with evan money. Hard to call really. I have a feeling he is going to try and worm his way out of a referendum.

SlickShoes said:
Once the 55+ generation start to die off it's possible, until then I can't see it getting over that 50% mark and being any sort of convincing victory.

If England were to vote for us to come out of the EU and Scotland wanted to stay in that could be the catalyst needed but as much as I want an independent Scotland I don't think the English majority want out of the EU either.
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It could simmer for a while. I'm looking at Ireland in 1910 and the catalyst that was 1916. The popular support shifted dramatically.

I don't expect such a violent response, although there would be riots if the London gov tried to force Scotland out of the EU and stick with them. I could see that getting the Scot's back up.
 
the fact that as a young left-leaning person i will now probably have absolutely no voice in my country's politics for the next decade or more is completely terrifying

the right have won. they've beaten the left into submission and now they're going to feast on the corpse of our achievements.
 
SymbiantXenos said:
And yet again under a tory government. In hindsight a yes vote would have been better.
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It's not as if we can do anything about that Tory government. It's up to English voters to sort that out.

And as one of the 44.3% that voted Yes, you don't need to tell me about that.
 
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