Yeah, definitely stings a little regardless of your voting direction.
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Yeah, definitely stings a little regardless of your voting direction.
Damn, for once I want him to be at his slimiest!
It would seem that the majority of the country has shifted slightly to the right. I am as gutted as you about it.
I don't think you do, hence directing me as feeling sorry for UKIP voters.
Fox hunting ban repeal. What first world country is legislating to add blood sports?
wat.
wat.
Psychotext
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Can't disagree with anything Clegg said there. God help weaker members of society over the next 5 years.
PJV3
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Yep.
He should have pulled out of the coalition a least a year ago. He just couldn't think tactically. The fact he looked keener about a tory coalition again sealed the deal.
The Libdem's won't get back without the left tactically voting for them.
Do they still allow that shit?
They did try to stop the Data Communications Bill ("Snooping Charter") being introduced. Apparently Theresa May has recently said it'll go ahead
PrivateRyan
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Same. I believe he's a decent guy underneath it all.
But he had to go and these results have been Clegg and the LibDems reaping what they sowed. The trust was gone and it would have been an impossible task to build that back with Clegg at the helm.
I really hope they have a strong leader to step up in his place but I can't see who it would be.
What do you think I don't understand?
I was replying to the comment about people feeling sorry for UKIP / Green voters and first past the post systems screwing them over.
Looking at the map it looks like all the countryside and middle of nowhere towns are conservative and the cities are more left leaning.
As such I will continue to look down at the conservatives. ＿|￣|○
How I feel in Wales, we've got a Labour government again although the tories have gained some seats unfortunately.
CyclopsRock
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Not a chance IMO. The polls have been showing increased support for staying in the EU for a while now even without a hype machine. You have the odd paper against it but generally all the major parties would campaign for it, big businesses etc. There's not much doubt in my mind we'd stay - and in doing so, he'd not only be keeping his promise but he'd also deal a final blow to UKIP (which, though by significantly less than expected, would have eaten into their voteshare enough here that they want them gone). If Farage was the head, an EU referendum is the heart (and a total lack of success tonight the legs), they're just a shell. Gone. Their collapse will be akin to the BNPs, though from a greater height.
It's Reyn Time!
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They introduced ESA, yeah. However they weren't the ones who decided to redefine disability by making it virtually impossible for most disabled people to claim and then give ATOS fucking targets rather than award it to people who need it. The Tories are the ones who moved the goalposts to save some money without upsetting their ageing voters. It wasn't Labour who abolished DLA and replaced it with the much stricter PIP for exactly the same reasons.
Hasn't improved under the Tories? Yeah that's something of a god damned understatement.
SymbiantXenos
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I actually wanted Scotland to stay in the union. But after this, get out as fast as possible.
If it's any consolation, you wouldn't have had a voice regardless of who was ultimately elected. You get nothing more than the right to pop a slip of paper into a box every few years, and then that's you done.
While I think this result has made it one of the better possibilities for a good result staying in the EU, the increase in the vote for UKIP and the disaster of the polls going into this election are factors that are very hard to ignore.
Sir_Crocodile
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Do they even have a big enough majority for that? Can't imagine all tories being in favour
Juke Joint Jezebel
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Yup, after that you're at the mercy of the current group voted in. Whether they do a shit job or a good job is totally out of the public's hands.
Audioboxer
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My head will probably explode if the next few days continue to have English voters trying to blame Scotland for the torries winning.
It was in your hands England. Maybe Milliband should have had some balls and accepted to lock the Torries out with the SNP.
It was in your hands England. Maybe Milliband should have had some balls and accepted to lock the Torries out with the SNP.
Same. England needs waking up, and I can't think of anything else that'll do it. #YesScotland
Graphics Horse
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Evan money (pictured)
Will be interesting what they do about that, It would have been easier to worm out of a referendum if they didn't win, was winning ever the plan?
SymbiantXenos
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Im blaiming the English and im from England.
GamingKaiju
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I agree however iirc Labor and ATOS came up with the targets themselves and the Tories have tried to push it further but the at the moment I haven't been requested to go for a assessment in a couple of years so I'm unsure what the goal posts are.
I've managed to overturn 2 ATOS assessments and the last one I went to I passed!?
Don't worry, it'll pass before then. Until the Tories pass something they don't like and then suddenly "FUCKING SCOTLAND" will be back.
Hopefully your head will have time to recover inbetween bouts over the next 5 years.
GrizzleBoy
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Im not sure id even give the population credit that they actually know where theure going.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I don't. He's made a decent cut of money and will continue to get a stable and high income for the next five years. And after that I imagine he'll get a good pension and he can either become a lord or get a consultancy gig in America. Either way, he's a cunt and the quicker he retires and fucks off the quicker the healing process can be attempted for the next-generation of inevitable Liberal failures.
Surely anyone with common sense in the entire world would have agreed in 2010 that entering into a coalition with the Tories was the dictionary's definition of both "backfire" and "bad fucking idea". I can't imagine that anyone in the Lib Dems at that point DID NOT see this coming. Clegg can claim to his "we provided stability" mantra all he wants, but all they ensured in that coalition was the Tories would get the good publicity from any good policies, and the Lib Dems would get the bad publicity when the Tories wanted to blame someone. The final betrayal was tuition fees, and as a Scot I feel bad for you guys in England. If only you had a party like the SNP who kept their word about stuff like that.
The writing was on the wall for the Lib Dems after the Scottish Parliament election in 2011, and how badly they fucked up in selling out their principles for a seat at the table. And now, in 2015, they are essentially a dead political party. But hey, at least we got an AV Referendum!!!11!
Will the last one to leave the Lib Dems please turn out the light.
Oh, I agree, someone somewhere will undoubtedly be negatively affected by whichever party ended up in power, but it just seems that the entire UK is going to suffer now that Cameron retains the power. A private health service? Benefits cut for those who genuinely need it? Tuition fees either raised or staying at the figure they are now, which is still insanely high? Yes, Cameron, this is EXACTLY what we need to move the UK forward.
BossDarkseid
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that's just false, there are plenty of people in this country for whom david cameron's tory party represents their ideal ruling party, or at least the best compromise
my political views are basically now not represented at westminster, except perhaps by the solitary green mp; labour will drift further rightwards after this defeat, making the decision to vote for them, even tactically, even harder if not impossible to make in 2020
I'm not sure I'd trust the polls as much on this one. Referendums can be tricky and they tend to be a bit swingy-er than Elections. We have quite a few over here. Our next one is Gay Marriage, it looks like it will comfortably pass in the polls, but I bet there will be a little closer than predicted.
I do think staying in the EU is the smart choice for the UK, and I've faith that apart from the odd anomaly electorates tend to make the smart choice.
Welsh Assembly elections next year are more important to us really.
I love the disconnect that the current blame Scotland narrative is ignoring
England and Scotland better together but Scotland damned better not have a say in anything!
It's Reyn Time!
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If I was the human embodiment of Scotland I'd sober up after last night's success, ignore the shooting pains in my left arm and cut off England like the infected, possessed hand that it is.
Audioboxer
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The blame lies on Labour, there is no point in blaming people. As I said above maybe Milliband should have taken some of Nicolas advice. All he did was continue an anti-Scottish feeling and show no commitment to teaming up to lock the torries out.
well we had a decade of Labour before, you were just born at the wrong time to enjoy the start and hope, and then the dawning realisation that they were normal idiots just like the other side.
And a decade? You don't think labour can come back next time? I'd not expected them to do anything this time as they had nothing of substance to offer and didn't seem very active in identifying what they stood for after the 2010 defeat. Ed Miliband just seemed to be on cruise control.
This time they have to take action. Whether they go more centralist or more left wing, there is bound to be signifcant reform internally - maybe not to the degree that John Smith oversaw, but hopefully labour will be better off for it, and come back in 5 years with a strong message.
As someone who is not from Britain: it's absolutely ridiculous that the SNP gets 56 seats and UKIP 0 seats, while UKIP has 2.6X (!) as many votes.
Not that I want the UK to leave the EU. Not at all. But I find the British system is very unfair in this regard.
EDIT And something else that I find ridiculous is that big media outlets are 'happy' or 'sad'. You'd assume most media outlets would try to remain objective and not pick a side.
Not that I want the UK to leave the EU. Not at all. But I find the British system is very unfair in this regard.
EDIT And something else that I find ridiculous is that big media outlets are 'happy' or 'sad'. You'd assume most media outlets would try to remain objective and not pick a side.
N7Commander95
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Yeah, do you tink Plaid will do better in the National Assembly?
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