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[Ninja Of Chaos]

Dude...just stop.

Many of us have played the demo so you can't use the tired "you can't back up your claims" statement anymore. Looking at the gamepad in the middle of a match to see teammates is slow and makes you peel your eyes away from the action. There is literally no reason why voice chat is not in this game at the very least between people on your friends list. Using "yeah" and "come on" presets are not helpful at all, I need to be able to verbally tell my friends what to do considering the game is so tactical. You're basically trying to shut down any criticism towards the game because you're mad that people want options which is the only thing that's pointless and illogical here.

That....is not what I meant by "you can't back up your points". You can say the game doesn't do what it wants to do well...that is fine. But stating it would be better with voice-chat is not. You have to prove something like that.

EDIT: And maybe the game doesn't WANT you to verbally tell your friends whatever. What then?

 

[Vena]

Oh, then yes fanboys say stupid shit on every console. It just seems like there are more on the Nintendo crazy side of the fence.

You must not have spent much time in the Destiny threads...

... Or the W_D threads....

... Or any sales thread, or more topically when the N3DS launched for NPD....

... Or the Witcher 3 thread....

Its just preconceived notions that paint a picture of magnitude that isn't actually true since, as is fairly normal, people don't tend to look in a mirror (so to speak).

 

[Panda Rin]

Can anyone explain to me why voice chat isnt an option in LoL in-game? And why those reasons aren't accepted for Splatoon?

 

[Hugstable]

Oh, then yes fanboys say stupid shit on every console. It just seems like there are more on the Nintendo crazy side of the fence.

wow... please show me how you figured this out

 

[B.O.O.M]

Not a fan of Nintendo at all (or of the game being discussed in this thread) but: Options can be detrimental to the vision of the creator. If the creator wants only the voices of the characters (or nothing at all...I dunno if they have voices) to be heard, the option for voice-chat is a negative.

wtf am I even reading....how in the hell is the option for voice chat on an online shooter going to be detrimental to the vision of the creator? Has the creator said something along those lines?

 

[Solid Samus]

You must not have spent much time in the Destiny threads...

... Or the W_D threads....

... Or any sales thread, or more topically when the N3DS launched for NPD....

... Or the Witcher 3 thread....

Its just preconceived notions that paint a picture of magnitude that isn't actually true since, as is fairly normal, people don't tend to look in a mirror (so to speak).

You might see my name (or my old name, XtaLarge) in those threads, though.

Funny enough, I spent a good five years on GoNintendo instead of Neogaf, where I was a devout Nintendo fan for a long time. Still am in a lot of respects, but holy shit man, I'm not going to pretend like Nintendo's fanbase isn't the most dedicated of them all, (and that's from experience!) and I don't see how anyone even can at this point

 

[TI82]

You must not have spent much time in the Destiny threads...

... Or the W_D threads....

... Or any sales thread, or more topically when the N3DS launched for NPD....

... Or the Witcher 3 thread....

Its just preconceived notions that paint a picture of magnitude that isn't actually true since, as is fairly normal, people don't tend to look in a mirror (so to speak).

I'm saying it happens on every console (and game) but Nintendo ones just seem the craziest (to me).

Can anyone explain to me why voice chat isnt an option in LoL in-game? And why it's acceptable for it to be not there?

Yeah not sure why they don't have it. They have a nice ping system and in game chatting but lack of voice chat is weird.

 

[correojon]

For me this is no issue, I have no friends who own a WiiU so I´ll be playing this mostly with randoms online. So, what would be the point of using voice chat if I have a French, Japanese or German in my team? How would we communicate? I´d much rather they expanded on the current communication options, you can use those with anyone ragrdless of language.

Anyway, I understand that for people who will play this with friends it may be a flaw.

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

wtf am I even reading....how in the hell is the option for voice chat on an online shooter going to be detrimental to the vision of the creator? Has the creator said something along those lines?

I dunno. That was a conditional statement. What he has said or not doesn't really matter to my point.

 

[NotLiquid]

It makes perfect sense when you're trying to make an argument that it's a big deal the forum cares about something or not.

Sorry, but considering that is currently the dedicated community that is most gearing up for the competitive scene, it really doesn't. We're going to have to disagree. You'd have a better job convincing me that it'd lack a competitive scene based on general disinterest in the game rather than because of it's lack of voice chat, because there are a bunch of workarounds to the "voice chat" issue that most players would have taken advantage of if it was a case of pursued competitive interest.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

No it is complaining because you cannot back any of this up. Unless Splatoon was released at one point with all of those things, those are just things you are whining about. Criticism is the game not achieving what it is trying to achieve. This is the equivalent of complaining that a TPS does not have FP camera. Pointless and illogical.

Are you kidding me?

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Let me create a (rough) thesis statement as well.

The lack of option to include voice chat in an online multiplayer team-oriented game can possibly affect online play longevity and hinder or limit a thriving community, which has become a focal point in online gaming today.

Surely, complaining is what you call it. It can and is up for debate.

 

[Amir0x]

Sorry, but considering that is currently the dedicated community that's gearing up for their competitive scene, it really doesn't. We're going to have to disagree. You'd have a better job convincing me that it'd lack a competitive scene based on general disinterest in the game rather than because of it's lack of voice chat, because there are a bunch of workarounds to the "voice chat" issue that most players would have taken advantage of if it was a case of pursued competitive interest.

There's no argument to be had. This dude was trying to make a case that the fact that this comically small community and its leader didn't seem to care about voice chat that this is a 'big deal.' 50x the number of people on GAF are going to buy Splatoon than even if every single person on Squidboards ended up getting it.

This THREAD is practically a bigger deal than the entire Squidboards.

 

[xevis]

You appear to believe voice chat only exists for people to say bad words to each other. It's the only explanation for why communication would mean "less friendly" to you.

Beside that, there a measures in voice chat designed to mute undesirable speech. It's very simple, it's effective, and it still allows the many benefits of voice chat to remain at the player's disposal.

In my experience 95% of the time the primary use-case for in-game voice chat is for anons to talk shit to other anons they're playing with. IMO, its removal is no big loss. Besides which there's plenty of other pew-pew-pew games to play if you don't like how this one is shaping up (voice enabled ones no less).

 

[Lady Siara]

History is repeating itself.

Ah well, this and the Witcher 3 downgrade thread have been highly entertaining.

 

[HardRojo]

Its not just Nintendo, its pretty much any beloved developer. Some people actually spun BB's pre-patch load times as a good thing because "they allow you to reflect on what went wrong".

I believe that was mostly a joke.

 

[B.O.O.M]

I dunno. That was a conditional statement. What he has said or not doesn't really matter to my point.

ok but even hypothetically, I can't see how the 'option' for this feature going to be detrimental to an online shooter in any imaginable way. We will have to start reaching big time if we are to come up with reasons to back such a notion.

 

[Vena]

You might see my name (or my old name, XtaLarge) in those threads, though.

Funny enough, I spent a good five years on GoNintendo instead of Neogaf, where I was a devout Nintendo fan for a long time. Still am in a lot of respects, but holy shit man, I'm not going to pretend like Nintendo's fanbase isn't the most dedicated of them all, and I don't see how anyone even can at this point

Dunno, I've seen my fair share of mud coming from every direction. I see threads over "Sony did" or "Microsoft didn't" explode with unbridled vigor.

 

[Clinton514]

When I game online with regulars yes I want chat. So yes, it is lazy and cheap.

 

[Seth Enosh]

Can anyone explain to me why voice chat isnt an option in LoL in-game? And why those reasons aren't accepted for Splatoon?

It's on PC so no one is getting mad as friends can just use team speak, mumble, Skype, or their cell phones. Even in games that have built in voice chat it's very normal for friends to use another app on PC.

On Wii U, there is no system party chat. Therefore Splatoon is getting the flack for not implementing its own version of a party chat. The number of people who care about the game not having open chat to all users is lower, similar to how only some people complained about the missing team chat in Destiny (which was still patched in due to complaints but seems mostly unused anyway).

 

[krypt0nian]

Not a fan of Nintendo at all (or of the game being discussed in this thread) but: Options can be detrimental to the vision of the creator. If the creator wants only the voices of the characters (or nothing at all...I dunno if they have voices) to be heard, the option for voice-chat is a negative.

This should be a system wide feature. The bloody VITA has voice chat standard. The VITA...

 

[Trojan]

Can anyone explain to me why voice chat isnt an option in LoL in-game? And why those reasons aren't accepted for Splatoon?

League doesn't have voice chat? I had no idea, that seems strange.

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

Are you kidding me?



Let me create a (rough) thesis statement as well.



Surely, complaining is what you call it. It can and is up for debate.

Not really.

Let's put it another way. X is a game. P are all the properties in X. The question: if s is not part of X, is it a negative statement of X?

 

[VinFTW]

In my experience 95% of the time the primary use-case for in-game voice chat is for anons to talk shit to other anons they're playing with. IMO, its removal is no big loss. Besides which there's plenty of other pew-pew-pew games to play if you don't like how this one is shaping up (voice enabled ones no less).

lol...

 

[Geg]

Looking at the gamepad in the middle of a match to see teammates is slow and makes you peel your eyes away from the action.

Wait, how would voice chat fix that exactly? You're not going to know exactly where someone is just by hearing their voice, and even then the quickest way to get to someone else's location is to tap them on the map

 

[BokehKing]

I played Mario party 10 recently with my friends two younger kids

I do not want to hear them raging into the mic
So I'm OK with it, little kids rage over the littlest things

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

ok but even hypothetically, I can't see how the 'option' for this feature going to be detrimental to an online shooter in any imaginable way. We will have to start reaching big time if we are to come up with reasons to back such a notion.

Like I said...if the voice of the characters you would be playing are what the designer wants you to hear. Only those.

 

[TI82]

In my experience 95% of the time the primary use-case for in-game voice chat is for anons to talk shit to other anons they're playing with. IMO, its removal is no big loss. Besides which there's plenty of other pew-pew-pew games to play if you don't like how this one is shaping up (voice enabled ones no less).

Are posts like this serious or are you coming in later to make a joke post?

 

[NeonBlack]

Can anyone explain to me why voice chat isnt an option in LoL in-game? And why those reasons aren't accepted for Splatoon?

There is an in-game chat and a ping system put in place. It's a computer based game so if you want to actually talk to friends you can use skype. Is there a skype, chat, or ping system equivalent on the WiiU?

 

[haimon]

Can anyone explain to me why voice chat isnt an option in LoL in-game? And why those reasons aren't accepted for Splatoon?

Being on pc, you do have a plethora of options.

Still, that is no excuse for not having voice chat.

 

[Amir0x]

Not really.

Let's put it another way. X is a game. P are all the properties in X. The question: if s is not part of X, is it a negative statement of X?

If not having S makes the X game somehow worse for it, then yes. This isn't rocket science.

 

[roknin]

Not having the option is Nintendo thinking they know what's best instead of actually letting the community do that, due to their paranoia over their audience.

Sometimes, they're right to. This is not one of those times, IMO. It's pretty shortsighted, at best.

I'm saying it happens on every console (and game) but Nintendo ones just seem the craziest (to me).

This is all perspective. There's bat-shit insane arguments for everything on the face of the Earth, especially when console wars start up.

 

[NotLiquid]

There's no argument to be had. This dude was trying to make a case that the fact that this comically small community and its leader didn't seem to care about voice chat that this is a 'big deal.' 50x the number of people on GAF are going to buy Splatoon than even if every single person on Squidboards ended up getting it.

This THREAD is practically a bigger deal than the entire Squidboards.

And how much of it is because of the same people coming into the thread and posting in cyclical arguments about an issue that mostly matters for this specific community? 57 of the posts in here are from you, and of course there'd be more participants in this thread when GAF is the largest gaming forum and it's users partake in a wide assortment of conversations pertaining to the general interest. The numbers are really not telling me much more other than GAF cares about discussing the merits of voice chat more than Squidboards.

Again, you haven't proven to me why the lack of voice chat is going to hamper people who want to pursue competitive interest.

 

[Seth Enosh]

Being on pc, you do have a plethora of options.

Still, that is no excuse for not having voice chat.

Why should league bother implementing voice chat when Skype exists on PC? This isn't a console, PCs already have plenty of high quality voice chat apps.

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

If not having S makes the game somehow worse for it, then yes. This isn't rocket science.

An unprovable statement. Hence not criticism. It goes right up there with: the characters should all be rabbits or blobs of blue. It is a meaningless complaint.

 

[Newtype-001]

In my experience 95% of the time the primary use-case for in-game voice chat is for anons to talk shit to other anons they're playing with. IMO, its removal is no big loss. Besides which there's plenty of other pew-pew-pew games to play if you don't like how this one is shaping up (voice enabled ones no less).

Tbh alot of this is thread is people like you who are baisically saying "i didnt enjoy this feature so no one should be able to ever".
and its stupid AF.

 

[xevis]

Are posts like this serious or are you coming in later to make a joke post?

I think you might have missed a missed a crucial part of my post. It's right there at the beginning: in my experience.

 

[Geg]

wtf am I even reading....how in the hell is the option for voice chat on an online shooter going to be detrimental to the vision of the creator? Has the creator said something along those lines?

Actually yeah, they said they didn't like the atmosphere that voice chat in shooters breeds and wanted it to be a safe place for anyone to play online, or something along those lines.

Obviously that doesn't explain not including chat among friends though.

 

[Wickerbasket]

In my experience 95% of the time the primary use-case for in-game voice chat is for anons to talk shit to other anons they're playing with. IMO, its removal is no big loss. Besides which there's plenty of other pew-pew-pew games to play if you don't like how this one is shaping up (voice enabled ones no less).

It works a lot better if you have friends to play with admittedly.

I think a lot of people are just confused as to why Nintendo always seem to leave standard features out of their online games. I personally think it's because they're still a bit behind on the times in regards to the online community building aspect of gaming.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Like I said...if the voice of the characters you would be playing are what the designer wants you to hear. Only those.

ok and where did the designer say this? In fact when has there ever been a designer say this regarding an online shooter? Let's not argue for the sake of arguing and be rational here. There really is no bloody way an option for chat is going to be detrimental for the online component of a shooter. It's not the characters are reciting Shakespeare with hints on where to find an over powered weapon within the game or something. Again, let's not try to be argumentative for the sake of it and actually think this through.

Actually yeah, they said they didn't like the atmosphere that voice chat in shooters breeds and wanted it to be a safe place for anyone to play online, or something along those lines.

Obviously that doesn't explain not including chat among friends though.

I would love a direct quote of this if you can. Because you basically answered your own statement there. Then Nintendo should follow through have make this the norm for ALL their games too surely. We have to think of the kids and all that

 

[Amir0x]

And how much of it is because of the same people coming into the thread and posting in cyclical arguments about an issue that mostly matters for this specific community? 57 of the posts in here are from you, and of course there'd be more participants in this thread when GAF is the largest gaming forum and it's users partake in a wide assortment of conversations pertaining to the general interest. The numbers are really not telling me much more other than GAF cares about discussing the merits of voice chat more than Squidboards.

The only argument is that there is no case to be made that Squidboards having any particular preference about any subject in the game is a "big deal." GAF having a big deal of an issue in a game like Splatoon is infinitely more important, and that IS because of its size. It's a hugely influential community, unlike Squidboards.

If the game sells 50,000 units and Squidboards has 2000 active players from it, then we'll talk about how important that community is in their view of the game (even though that wouldn't change how ridiculous thinking not even allowing a voice chat option in the title is OK is). As of now, the community measures a bare shit and all on the 'big deal' meter.

 

[The Albatross]

The option should absolutely be there. Does the Wii U have a party chat system?

 

[cloudstrife]

I pay real adult money from my real adult job to enjoy Nintendo consoles and games.

I am sick of Nintendo treating all of their customers like vulnerable children.

 

[Odrion]

I wish more companies would try and find different solutions to team communication other than using a Mic because goddamn it's just the worst.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I reject the notion that the lack of voice chat will significantly hinder retention. GoldenEye Wii had a very active online community without any voice chat.

The irony is Nintendo at times thinks as though it's still 1997.

I am comparing on the basis of what you posted. It is a great analogy.

And you are running in circles. It is irrelevant whether you think you ought to be interacting through voice.

The only one running in circles is you with you reasoning why voice chat is not included.

That....is not what I meant by "you can't back up your points". You can say the game doesn't do what it wants to do well...that is fine. But stating it would be better with voice-chat is not. You have to prove something like that.

EDIT: And maybe the game doesn't WANT you to verbally tell your friends whatever. What then?

Prove what, that by allowing voice chat might be beneficial and fun for some who choose to use it or not versus your argument that by removing it is somehow better through design choices?

I dunno. That was a conditional statement. What he has said or not doesn't really matter to my point.

Speaking of circles.

Not really.

Let's put it another way. X is a game. P are all the properties in X. The question: if s is not part of X, is it a negative statement of X?

You forgot about Y. As in Y are you still trying to defend this decision?

 

[Oddduck]

Wow, this is still going?

Seriously, Nintendo could release Splatoon in a Battlefiled 4-like unplayable state and we'd have a 20 pages long thread of people arguing it's actually awesome because it gives you a chance to enjoy the single player content

I always get a chuckle when I hear the words "Nintendo" and "Battlefield" in the same sentence.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/28480/battlefield-could-have-been-exclusive-to-gamecube

Apparently, despite Nintendo's love for the initial pitch, it never got past the gatekeepers because Nintendo had no online strategy in place.

 

[xevis]

Tbh alot of this is thread is people like you who are baisically saying "i didnt enjoy this feature so no one should be able to ever".

I'm not stopping you from enjoying games that have voice chat. All I'm saying is not every game needs to or should try to cater to every person. To me it seems perfectly reasonable for a developer to look around at the toxicity that exists in games that allow anons to voice chat with other anons and then conclude "yeah, nope; not for us".

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Not really.

Let's put it another way. X is a game. P are all the properties in X. The question: if s is not part of X, is it a negative statement of X?

Limiting P on X can certainly show a negative or declination state of X if X was just given options.


These statements would not have been made if, having options did not show more success long term than not having the option.

 

[Amir0x]

An unprovable statement. Hence not criticism. It goes right up there with: the characters should all be rabbits or blobs of blue. It is a meaningless complaint.

What in the universe are you talking about?

You can't PROVE a criticism is right or wrong. It's someone's opinion.

The only thing you can PROVE is that something is there or not. I.e., this game is 60fps, this game is 1080p.

You can't PROVE that the game not having a particular feature is inherently superior or not, you can only state your opinion on it. And that opinion in this case is absolutely, beyond any shadow of a doubt a criticism. Jesus christ.

 

[TI82]

This is all perspective. There's bat-shit insane arguments for everything on the face of the Earth, especially when console wars start up.

Maybe you are right, but they definitely come off as the craziest.

I think you might have missed a missed a crucial part of my post. It's right there at the beginning: in my experience.

Ah, so a serious post that comes off as a joke post and we will all laugh since you had a bad experience and want to take away an (OPTIONAL) feature from others. Got it.

The option should absolutely be there. Does the Wii U have a party chat system?

Nope. Iwata has said that he hopes for one in the next system but that the Wii U can't support one (for some reason)?

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

ok and where did the designer say this? In fact when has there ever been a designer say this regarding an online shooter? Let's not argue for the sake of arguing and be rational here. There really is no bloody way an option for chat is going to be detrimental for the online component of a shooter. It's not the characters are reciting Shakespeare with hints on where to find an over powered weapon within the game or something. Again, let's not try to be argumentative for the sake of it and actually think this through.

Not be argumentative? Why not? The blank support of options CAN be a negative. Therefore it is a negative until proven otherwise in any one scenario. That is logic. There is no rationality in "but we know how this goes, right?". I was giving you an example of when it COULD be a negative, but it doesn't even have to have that excuse. The creator doesn't like it is good enough.