timetokill
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I agree, this punishment wasn't nearly enough.
Tom Brady suspended for 4 games; Patriots lose first-round draft pick; fined $1 mil
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I agree, this punishment wasn't nearly enough.
The MLB laid down the law when it became apparent that guys were juicing. Congress was appointed by Bud Selig to investigate what was going on. No one knew or questioned MLB players taking steroids in the 80's/90's/Early 2000's. You can blame Jose Cancesco & Barry Bonds for just going over the top with that shit to be honest.
The NBA didn't have to ban Sterling. That was a shocker, we're pleased with that result but that's really unheard of in professional sports.
People wanted Brady to be suspended more games, he should be gone half the season.
Kraft is responsible for the current TV deals. Not to mention ending the strike and creating the new CBA with the players union a few years ago.
He was one of the owners responsible for ending the lockout (and don't think Richardson acting the bad cop and Kraft/mara being the good cops was not done on purpose by the owners).
He did help with the TV deals, but you're discounting how much some of the old families still have alot of influence even if you don't hear their names everday (Halas/Hunts etc).
hunchback
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Finally, common sense. This has been happening for decades in the NFL. Kickers and QB's talked about this leading up to the Superbowl. Every quarterback interviewed freely admitted to preferring over inflated, under inflated, scuffed, sand papered.
Spygate was by far a worse offense. They just got made a example of because the Ravens and Colts owners got cranky.
CassidyIzABeast
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Kraft is gonna get Goodell tossed. Don't ever bite the hand that feeds you.
I feel like Kraft's relationship with Goodell is a tricky one - on one hand does Goodell side with Kraft in order to protect his position, or on the other hand does he excessively punish the patriots in order to demonstrate he is his own man.
DeaconKnowledge
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Haha what?The MLB laid down the law when it became apparent that guys were juicing. Congress was appointed by Bud Selig to investigate what was going on. No one knew or questioned MLB players taking steroids in the 80's/90's/Early 2000's. You can blame Jose Cancesco & Barry Bonds for just going over the top with that shit to be honest.
Shame he did neither.
Just like Jones got Goodell tossed after Goodell took their cap space?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...s-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space
Depends on which side of the fence you are - do you believe he was lenient or harsh?
Hey man, if you want to be proud of the biggest choke in sports history, more power to you.
I'm not a huge fan of the patriots or even Tom Brady, but this suspensions just doesn't sit right with me.
The fine, lost draft picks, and equipment personal no longer allowed to manage the game balls are all reasonable, but the suspension for Brady is where i draw the line.
I have no doubt he new that the balls were under inflated, i might even go so far as to believe that he knew staff was doing it.But unless there is evidence that he actively took part in it, or requested staff deflate the balls, i just don't see a 4 game suspension. Perhaps someone who has read the report can high lite something i missed in the article. I could see a fine for this, but to me this still falls on the organization for this form of cheating, and the NFL and the officials for not properly inspecting the balls like they are supposed to.
The fine, lost draft picks, and equipment personal no longer allowed to manage the game balls are all reasonable, but the suspension for Brady is where i draw the line.
I have no doubt he new that the balls were under inflated, i might even go so far as to believe that he knew staff was doing it.But unless there is evidence that he actively took part in it, or requested staff deflate the balls, i just don't see a 4 game suspension. Perhaps someone who has read the report can high lite something i missed in the article. I could see a fine for this, but to me this still falls on the organization for this form of cheating, and the NFL and the officials for not properly inspecting the balls like they are supposed to.
LiquidMetal14
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Fair. They won the game handily and also took down Seattle fairly. Long live the Kong.
We're in agreement that 90% of the penalty is:
a) Kraft and BB and Brady mouthing off to Goodell and lying on national TV about how they were perfectly clean and demanding an apology from the NFL (and then Brady getting caught),
b) Brady lying to the investigators about not knowing the folks involved (and having sent one of them texts after things went down, and then refusing to show the context of said texts)
c) Retro-active Spygate punishment
d) The Patriots getting caught being at best, super fishy with the rules, again, and getting arguably caught cheating in a mostly meaningless way only because they were institutionally arrogant enough to believe they could get away with it?
Also a little bit of e) They don't understand statistics or the Natural Gas Law in any meaningful way.
I mean, I'm a Dolphins fan that lives in Seattle (actually not upset about the Super Bowl, seeing as it took Arizona losing all of their QBs and the craziest comeback in NFL history arguably to even GET there); and the little bit of deflating probably helped a tiny tiny bit. But it's the arrogance of the Patriots to AGAIN keep pushing the rules, and then go off on Goodell on national TV saying "we didn't do anything", and then them finding out they did do something.
a) Kraft and BB and Brady mouthing off to Goodell and lying on national TV about how they were perfectly clean and demanding an apology from the NFL (and then Brady getting caught),
b) Brady lying to the investigators about not knowing the folks involved (and having sent one of them texts after things went down, and then refusing to show the context of said texts)
c) Retro-active Spygate punishment
d) The Patriots getting caught being at best, super fishy with the rules, again, and getting arguably caught cheating in a mostly meaningless way only because they were institutionally arrogant enough to believe they could get away with it?
Also a little bit of e) They don't understand statistics or the Natural Gas Law in any meaningful way.
I mean, I'm a Dolphins fan that lives in Seattle (actually not upset about the Super Bowl, seeing as it took Arizona losing all of their QBs and the craziest comeback in NFL history arguably to even GET there); and the little bit of deflating probably helped a tiny tiny bit. But it's the arrogance of the Patriots to AGAIN keep pushing the rules, and then go off on Goodell on national TV saying "we didn't do anything", and then them finding out they did do something.
Brady declined to hand over his electronic communication. I suspect the suspension is mainly to do with that, and less to do with the footballs.
There are 32 hands that feed Goodell.
Trigger Warning
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time
They made McNabb puke and make a fool of himself. They're alright in my book.
Kraft has more or less signaled his intention to appeal.
That said; the CBA Kraft pushed for heavily...means that Goodell is most likely the one hearing the appeal (since Troy Vincent is the one who levied the punishment) for both Kraft and Brady.
I understand that, but given the suspension lengths for substance abuse, and other crimes i just don't see lying to the commissioner as a comparable offense.
A fine for Brady and a game or two (i think his suspension will be reduced to 2 from the appeal anyways) is more in line with what Brady did.
I would have liked to see them come down a bit harder on the organization itself, especially given the repeat nature of these types of actions.
McNabb did that to himself.
They gave Terrelle Pryor 5 games in the NFL for tattoos he got in college. Don't apply logic to the suspensions; madness lies down that path.
I don't think you know what the word choke means. Perhaps the greatest choke in Super Bowl history causes one's brain to scramble and definitions gets confused with other words. Close game decided on a fluke is not the definition of choke. You make it sound like Brady gave the ball to the other team with the game on the line.
Pretty sure as long as Cleveland exists in the NFL; no one will ever pass up that choke. Hell, anyone want to see if GB is still over the NFCCG?
They were heavy favorites and the Fighting Eli's were significant underdogs. It was a massive choke on the whole.
LyleLanley
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Yes.
Tragicomedy
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The top comment:
I won't contribute monetarily, but willing to donate my air pump and air gauge, you cheating chowder-eating fucks. Ha
They can take it to an independent arbitrator if they disagree with Gooddell after the appeals process. Rice did it, AP did it and won now Brady will do it and win as well or at least have his suspension reduced to 1-2 games.
Gooddell is a narcissistic fuck but any of you thinking that Kraft is gonna go after him you guys need to stop smoking crack! 32 owners with equal voting rights means that at least 16 of them would need to vote against him and that's just not going to happen.
They had the chance to become the greatest team in NFL history and blew it against a massive underdog. That is the greatest choke in sports history.
The Seahawks weren't even as good as the previous season's team, especially with the injuries.
Just because the media and the gamblers were fucking stupid means nothing. The Giants were the only team that gave the Patriots any sort of game in the regular season so expecting an easy game was certainly not what the sane people were thinking.
That is the interesting part. I am not sure if it is worth it for NE to open themselves up. Hell, if they expose the NFL investigative process as a fraud...that just opens them up to being destroyed by the NFLPA and having the CBA challenged in court.
TheLostBigBoss
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Players can if Goodell laid down the discipline. Goodell did NOT lay down the discipline; Troy Vincent technically did.
Owners...I don't think they have any say what so ever. Goodell might let it go to a neutral arbitrator though.
Tragicomedy
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Read the Kraft statement. That's legal speak for, "We're gonna act all mad but still serve the rightful penalty."
Take your L, Pats. We're still waiting for your apology.
Take your L, Pats. We're still waiting for your apology.
That's what it seems like. Make a big stink and hope people believe the punishment was excessive while not admitting doing anything wrong.
For someone who knows choking, I'm shocked to see you miss use it's wording.
Yeah, I've seen him choke with my own eyes. I'm willing to admit that. Sometimes it's his fault, sometimes it's the team. No denial here.
Even getting whipped 43 - 8 against what amounts to the best D since the Raven's crew of yore isn't as bad as 18 - 1.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492185/article/tom-brady-suspended-4-games-plans-to-appeal
watch the video in the link it says if he appeals it will go to arbitration and not to Gooddell. Pretty sure it would be the same case for the Patriots.
EDIT: direct link to video: http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-engla.../Tom-Brady-suspended-first-four-games-of-2015
I already knew this was going to posted and if you think the Pats took the Giants lightly and thought it was going to be a fun time in Arizona, then you are a lost cause. The Giants were the only team that showed any sort of resilience to the onslaught of Tom that year even before the Super Bowl.
So if they weren't taking the Giants lightly, why say that?
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