zenosparadox
Member
Confirms appetite for large, hollow games.
Not my favorite type of game, to be honest. It would be nice if something other than sports and open world games crowded the top 10.
Top 10 Grossing Retail Games of 2014, Ubisoft notes half were open world
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
why is it that these big open world games, the actual "story" missions are ruthlessly linear. Like GTAV, I gotta climb this crane and check out the boat. I have to climb to a SPECIFIC part of the crane, point in this direction, then pull out the camera as the text guides me along each and every step of the way.
on top of the game controlling like hot ass all the time. Walking, running, airplane controls, submarine controls...I remember when they said they had Max Payne 3 combat. LMAO the most struggle 3rd person shooter controls I've played in years.
Its like, "We don't do anything great, but we do EVERY THING". But whats the point when its hundreds of mediocre things?
on top of the game controlling like hot ass all the time. Walking, running, airplane controls, submarine controls...I remember when they said they had Max Payne 3 combat. LMAO the most struggle 3rd person shooter controls I've played in years.
Its like, "We don't do anything great, but we do EVERY THING". But whats the point when its hundreds of mediocre things?
Of course, I'm not suggesting Destiny is even remotely as large as The Witcher 3 or Skyrim, just that it's broken up in to different open world areas intentionally by design.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Disagree. Destiny's level design is very much linear. They lay out paths in the levels that lead to a building and you very rarely stray off them.
vpance
Member
The illusion of freedom plus the to-do list F2P style tasks that lulls people into conflating busywork with valuable gameplay is a formula that many will happily suck down for years to come, even on Gaf. Also a lot of people will overlook a game's weak points if its got dat big open world.
I disagree with that. Whilst this may be true for main story missions, the side objectives and patrols have you exploring all over the different locations. It's very much explore everywhere, complete your bounties wherever or however, and collect everything you can in the process.
Huevos de Oro
Member
More freedom... to climb more towers.
But as long as the games sell by the truckload Ubi will keep on pumping them out at frightening rates.
But as long as the games sell by the truckload Ubi will keep on pumping them out at frightening rates.
DarkJedi24
Member
Very little difference between Ubisoft and Bethesda open worlds in terms of structure. Hypocritical post much.
Stillmatic
Member
I'd classify Destiny as open world. Each planet you can go anywhere at any time.
digitalrelic
Banned
Meh, I really hope that open world games don't start becoming the majority. I love GTA, The Elder Scrolls, and Red Dead Redemption as much as the next guy, but some of the finest gaming experience ever made have come from linear experiences. I prefer linear games to open world, personally.
Uno Venova
Banned
Can't wait to clear out more icons on my mini-map.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
That's a bad word now, PR/Marketing doesnt like it.
legacyzero
Banned
Hell, even fucking MINECRAFT offers LIGHT YEARS better a open world game than Ubi can ever dream of.
Yep.
Yep.
Windom Earle
Member
Freedom in Ubi open world games? LMAO.
DarkJedi24
Member
Certainly not in terms of gameplay. Minecraft is less of a game and more of a Lego set.
GitarooMan
Member
I liked Far Cry 4, AC Unity and The Crew *shrug*. I don't obsessively do every single thing in these worlds but I like being able to pick and choose as I travel around. Even though it wasn't a best seller, I thought The Crew was a fantastic open world to drive around in with all types of terrain and environments.
PaleFolklore
Member
If that means more games that require to climb a tower to synchronize part of the map they can shove that open world game right up their ass.
ShinMaruku
Member
I love this gonna over mine open world and the revolt will be delicious.
DarkJedi24
Member
RPG mechanics are now passe huh? The best games of last year were arguably Shadow of Mordor and Far Cry 4. At least the numbers support these as being in demand.
With games like Batman, Witcher, The Phantom Pain, Fallout, Just Cause, Mad Max, Tomb Raider and Uncharted 4 all open world type games, clearly the best stuff coming down the pipe is all open world. The sentiments in this thread are fascinating, but everyone the hate for Ubisoft is as popular as their games lol.
Edit: Forgot about Dragon Age Inquisition being at the top of last year as well.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I love the freedom of choosing between the same five or six "missions", repeated though out a massive map.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I mean
What are the options?
What are the options?
Finale Fireworker
Member
But I like linear games. I want more linear games with strong narratives. Open world games have exhausted me. I don't get anything unique out of them anymore.
Red Dead Redemption is one of my top three favorite games. Give me open-world games like that, where the summation of your independent exploration and otherwise mundane activities forms a larger picture. A picture that is a tapestry of player-driven experiences that serve only to paint the larger tapestry of the grand themes, narrative, or world the player is exploring.
Don't give me a giant map with pointless events, side missions, and collectibles that serve no purpose other than to bloat the runtime or label the game as "open world."
BioShock, yes.
Assassin's Creed, no.
Red Dead Redemption is one of my top three favorite games. Give me open-world games like that, where the summation of your independent exploration and otherwise mundane activities forms a larger picture. A picture that is a tapestry of player-driven experiences that serve only to paint the larger tapestry of the grand themes, narrative, or world the player is exploring.
Don't give me a giant map with pointless events, side missions, and collectibles that serve no purpose other than to bloat the runtime or label the game as "open world."
BioShock, yes.
Assassin's Creed, no.
NullPointer
Member
We need NEW open world experiences, not the same old mission templates we've played in every last one of them but on a larger map.
Player choice, persistence of player actions, a smartly designed world for gameplay that rewards the player for getting to know it well, and alerts or chases that amount to more than randomly spawning enemies would be a nice start.
Mercenaries 2 had wonderful shifts of the world map as different factions - aided by the player - took over territory. Crackdown had bosses that when taken out affected the resources available to the gang members throughout the city. Assassins Creed 2 brought us Borgia Towers, and like the bases in Far Cry 3 and 4 make for some nice on-the-map activities, but even those are just small skirmishes in these games, completed in 45 seconds to a small cinematic before putting another notch on the map. All of these are nice ideas that could be fleshed out far more.
The open world concept has only been scratched - there's far more opportunities to be found there, and the limitation is first and foremost one of imagination.
Player choice, persistence of player actions, a smartly designed world for gameplay that rewards the player for getting to know it well, and alerts or chases that amount to more than randomly spawning enemies would be a nice start.
Mercenaries 2 had wonderful shifts of the world map as different factions - aided by the player - took over territory. Crackdown had bosses that when taken out affected the resources available to the gang members throughout the city. Assassins Creed 2 brought us Borgia Towers, and like the bases in Far Cry 3 and 4 make for some nice on-the-map activities, but even those are just small skirmishes in these games, completed in 45 seconds to a small cinematic before putting another notch on the map. All of these are nice ideas that could be fleshed out far more.
The open world concept has only been scratched - there's far more opportunities to be found there, and the limitation is first and foremost one of imagination.
Industrialist
Member
Linear games. Please. Write a game and then let me play it without having to play side-missions that have no bearing on anything other than the advertised gameplay time.
Jawmuncher
Member
I don't mind open world, but geez there's been some bad examples of how to do it lately.
Which is a problem when they still tend to be very big titles & sellers. When the open world aspect feels like nothing more than adding time to your product there's a issue.
Which is a problem when they still tend to be very big titles & sellers. When the open world aspect feels like nothing more than adding time to your product there's a issue.
ThatStupidLion
Member
i don't really buy ubi games so it won't affect me I guess, but i for one don't want anymore open world games.
I lose focus and get no where in them. they all feel very samey.
I lose focus and get no where in them. they all feel very samey.
RDR was amazing though
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Yes, more freedom.
With the refined patented Ubisoft open world formula, you too can make your very own "open world" game with the user creating their own personal "defined experience"*!
*terms subject to change, player experiences heavily scripted and defined by Ubisoft
With the refined patented Ubisoft open world formula, you too can make your very own "open world" game with the user creating their own personal "defined experience"*!
*terms subject to change, player experiences heavily scripted and defined by Ubisoft
DarkJedi24
Member
It would be great to have Mercenaries come back honestly. I hope that even with Pandemic gone that the series can one day return.
NullPointer
Member
Man, I would love that, even in a post Just Cause 2 world.
Another one I should've mentioned was the promise of Watch_Dogs, though not the execution for the most part. There are some good ideas here and there that could use some exploration, but it felt like a bad GTA clone in too many ways.
I don't know, they're probably right in one sense because I feel like the only fun I have in their games is exploring places captured from specfiic time periods and reading the codexs(before they ruined them with shit snark)
now they just need to get the Rockstar thing down and make the missions enjoyable for me as well. They're like the opposite of Saints Row where the world is pretty breath taking but the missions are so frustrating due to boring stories, characters and frustrating controls.
now they just need to get the Rockstar thing down and make the missions enjoyable for me as well. They're like the opposite of Saints Row where the world is pretty breath taking but the missions are so frustrating due to boring stories, characters and frustrating controls.
Raonak
Banned
I feel very burnt out on openworld games. Especially the ubisoft like ones; so much cheap, repeated content. I totally miss focused linear games. :/
I think stuff like Arkham Asylum and Bloodborne, and even, Pokemon, does it best.
It gives you the freedom of an openworld game, but the polish and level design that linear games do. You're basically going through interconnected linear chunks.
I think stuff like Arkham Asylum and Bloodborne, and even, Pokemon, does it best.
It gives you the freedom of an openworld game, but the polish and level design that linear games do. You're basically going through interconnected linear chunks.
Astral Dog
Member
Not a big fan of huge open world games (less Ubisoft open games). the last two i enjoyed were GTA V and Xenoblade..
Like you can make something that has enough freedom, but still feels lively and i appreciate when they have enough direction to lead the player, interesting missions, cutscenes,dungeons etc a little more focused.
(I guess it depends on the game.
)
Agreed, above all a polished experience.
Like you can make something that has enough freedom, but still feels lively and i appreciate when they have enough direction to lead the player, interesting missions, cutscenes,dungeons etc a little more focused.
(I guess it depends on the game.
)Agreed, above all a polished experience.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
It's probably alot easier to just make an open world rather than creating deep gameplay mechanics and expertly crafted levels like Bloodbourne.
Nothing1016
Member
isn't this kinda a self fulfilling prophecy? More companies are making open world games therefore there are more open world games to sell. I'm probably wrong. lol
legacyzero
Banned
True statement. You have no idea.
DarkJedi24
Member
Yeah if Watch_Dogs had just tried to be its own game there could have been much more potential realized. The hacking mechanics were undercooked IMO, and certainly going for being a direct GTA competitor didn't lead to favorable comparisons. If they had gone all in on the hacking as the primary focus, I think it would have been much more compelling. Driving and shooting dragged it down.
GoonerTRON
Banned
I do love open world games. My top 3 are all open world.
But I love a good focused story as well, like Bioshock Infinite and Last of Us.
But I love a good focused story as well, like Bioshock Infinite and Last of Us.
