The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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nature boy
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I disagree, tyres that are built to degrade like the Pirelli's shouldn't be in F1.
Even in endurance racing they are pushing more than in F1.
Anyway, Philip Morris has extended their "sponsorship" with Ferrari until 2018. 160 million a year.
Even in endurance racing they are pushing more than in F1.
Anyway, Philip Morris has extended their "sponsorship" with Ferrari until 2018. 160 million a year.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I don't see what the problem with having tyres that don't degrade is.
Just make it mandatory that you need to make X number of stops per race with X number of compounds.
Let's the drivers push to the limit and destroy the tyres.
As for the payment distribution in 2014? Total and utter farce.
Also,
Bernie can go fuck himself.
Edit:
I know a few people on here already read his blogs but for the ones who don't this is definitely worth a read.
http://somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/strategy-group-pah.html?m=1
Makes some good valid points about the sport and the directions to take. The comments are gold as well, especially the one about making F1 a contact sport and how Maldonaldo would react
Just make it mandatory that you need to make X number of stops per race with X number of compounds.
Let's the drivers push to the limit and destroy the tyres.
As for the payment distribution in 2014? Total and utter farce.
Also,
Bernie can go fuck himself.
Edit:
I know a few people on here already read his blogs but for the ones who don't this is definitely worth a read.
http://somersf1.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/strategy-group-pah.html?m=1
Makes some good valid points about the sport and the directions to take. The comments are gold as well, especially the one about making F1 a contact sport and how Maldonaldo would react
Mastah
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Ecclestone: Completely unequal and unfair revenue distribution amongst F1 teams is good for Formula 1 - coz I planned it, lol
Yesterday I was hopping through onboard races from 2010 and really it is night and day difference between then and what we have today. Sure, there weren't 100 "passes" every race as it is now, but damn, battles and driving itself were so intense. To watch Kobayashi chasing Petrov at Catalunya, not even remotely close to attacking him, but still braking at the limit and locking rears and then drifting and countersteering through chicane, or Alonso and Vettel fighting with others at Silverstone for several laps and finally succeeding in overtake, while carrying absolutely insane corner speeds is something I deeply miss
Also:
Heh.
This 'strategy group' is a complete waste of time. They clearly have their priorities in the wrong place, and any short-sighted changes they push through will damage the sport even further. We have all the top journalists and drivers singing the same tune of a more sensible revenue sharing system, tyres that let you push, more downforce, more power, wider cars, cost cap, DRS gone, etc etc etc...
Nope. Instead we have the FIA and leading team reps looking at more ways they can sell components to smaller teams. Fuck all done in regards to anything else.
Fucking monkeys, the lot of them.
Its just that no one wants to foot the bill.
Seems to be the case with a lot of things.
Diablo Rosso
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So apparently re-fueling is coming back for 2017. Great job F1 in going sideways and flip-flopping.
Psychotext
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I would find that properly surprising.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/32751118
Unconfirmed changes for 2017:
Refueling is back in 2017
Higher revving and louder engines (part of a increased fuel flow)
Cars to be 5-6 seconds faster
Unconfirmed changes for 2016:
Free choice of compounds
Mosts surprisingly: A comprahensive proposal to ensure the sustainability of the sport
Unconfirmed changes for 2017:
Refueling is back in 2017
Higher revving and louder engines (part of a increased fuel flow)
Cars to be 5-6 seconds faster
Unconfirmed changes for 2016:
Free choice of compounds
Mosts surprisingly: A comprahensive proposal to ensure the sustainability of the sport
Didn't expect to see refuelling return, but fuck yes I'm all for faster cars.
Refuelling back would be a disaster, complete disaster.
These people are really clueless :/
Yeah, it was tons of fun last GP with all those overtakes at the end of the long straight when people popped open their DRS and leisurely drove past the slower car.
I'd rather have a race fought out over strategic pit stops than weak ass DRS overtakes.
Qualifying is the one thing that doesnt need changing imo. I only started watching F1 at the end of 2010.
surely it would be better if Q3 can be done on low fuel then teams can choose any fuel load for the race to start?
Also, looking at that chart, what is more important: quality of overtakes/importance in terms of the actually race, or quantity
You start the race with whatever fuel load is left in your car at the end of Q3.
Meaning you can go for an early pitstop and get a great qualifying spot. Or qualify heavy and go for a late pitstop, hoping you won't lose too much time at the start of the race.
I'd still think qualy to be done on pure pace, rather than a means of strategy
Its only bad in that in a bid to refuel as fast as possible there were a couple if incidents. One involved the fuel line being dragged down the pit lane, one i think involved the drivers trying to pull away with the hose and hose guys still attached, there are fire risks etc.
I'd be surprised if they brought it back, but tbh the sport is at the moment flopping more than an NBA star so by tomorrow they might well decide to host all races while wearing Orange because "thats what the fans want".
Ferrari with hose attached in 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHuhgC9tEyo
Williams fuel filler on fire, also 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6i2u7_vLoQ
Benneton fuel spill and fire in 1994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCykFawdq40
Mclaren fuel line still attached spilling fuel onto the following Ferrari and causing fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgjhfQLTNk
Incredibly it was actually Bernies Brabham team in 1982 that "invented" refuelling in F1 races.
Its all largely irrelevant if you can't follow behind the car in front through corners, something which used to be much more possible than it is today.
Mastah
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I'm not talking about DRS drive-bys. I'm talking about how overtake numbers dropped when refuelling was introduced back in 1994 and how it increased again when it was gone in 2010.
Refuelling = less exciting races with less variable strategies
Just dropping the cars from starting with 100kg of fuel and instead them probably starting with 30-40kgs is going to make them a lot faster and lighter.
Will be interesting to see how they are going to encourage the engine manufacturers to make the engines just as reliable but developing an extra 200+ HP with the tokens system currently in place.
EDIt: wait, they want to keep the 100KG used limit AND the 100KG flow limit, but want 200 more HP. trololol
Will be interesting to see how they are going to encourage the engine manufacturers to make the engines just as reliable but developing an extra 200+ HP with the tokens system currently in place.
EDIt: wait, they want to keep the 100KG used limit AND the 100KG flow limit, but want 200 more HP. trololol
It only really went wrong one time though, and that was after Benetton fucked about with the fuel nozzle, because cheating is what they did.
They gradually dropped during the 90s and then suddenly massively increased when DRS came along.
Your cause and effect are probably not aligned here, is what I'm saying.
Mastah
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Yes, there was gradual drop throughout years, because cars were gaining more downforce. But it doesn't change facts:
And the other way happened from 2009 to 2010. Ignore DRS years.
DRS was introduced in 2011 and the graph does show a big increase there, but there was no DRS in 2010.
DRS was introduced in 2011 and the graph does show a big increase there, but there was no DRS in 2010.
No, but there was this. Which was the reason the DRS came in in the first place.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
They can easily make refuelling safe by having a mechanism at the fuel intake whereby the driver cannot pull away while said mechanism is engaged.
I welcome the other changes but I still feel that it isn't enough to entice other manufacturers to enter the fray.
I welcome the other changes but I still feel that it isn't enough to entice other manufacturers to enter the fray.
I don't think the change from 2009 to 2010 is just about refuelling being banned. A few teams had F-ducts. HRT, Virgin and Lotus came into the sport. Some races had pretty mixed up grids(Malaysia at least).
This.No, but there was this. Which was the reason the DRS came in in the first place.
This is the most apt reply. It's another set of band-aid fixes proposed by a group that's in standstill and stuck in the past.
Until they can get rid of the teams having control over the sport nothing will ever change.
edit: I can't wait for a teams weekend to be completely pointless after they picked the wrong set of tyres. Especially with how limited testing and running Pirelli get to do.
nature boy
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I thought refueling was banned because of cost.
This strategy group is absolutely hopeless.
This strategy group is absolutely hopeless.
Psychotext
Member
Safety supposedly.
JadedWriter
Member
Looking at all of those, we don't need refueling back. That Benneton one is grisly. I can only imagine what the FIA punishments today would be for some of these.
nature boy
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Yeah, but the teams have to carry around all the refueling equipament, and probably purchase the equipament - either the older equipament has been sold or is out of date.
There's no way a car is going to be competitive by fuelling to the end. The lap time difference alone will be huge.
JadedWriter
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You would've thought that they would've proposed a mandatory minimum time for the pit stops after that cameraman got ran over by a loose tire in 2013, but they didn't.
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