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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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Mastah
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Psychotext
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/05/12/rosberg-goes-quickest-and-furthest-at-test/
They're definitely not fucking around.
They're definitely not fucking around.
It had some good races, drama, and a title-deciding final race, but it's a bit of a stretch to call it the best season in 20 years.
Some of the races were veering on the silly side when it came to tyre durability, though, but I'd still take 2010-spec tyres over our current ones.
My favourite thing about 2010, compared to the 4 and bit seasons thereafter (current one included), was that the racing felt purer.
If we're talking the last decade only, 2005-2008 are my favourite seasons, closely followed by 2010. 2012 was the best 'DRS-Pirelli' season for me.
Brundles changes all seem ok, but he's missed out not forcing every team to use both compounds.
No reason why the teams shouldn't be able to share components to reduce costs, either as customers from the top teams or as a coalition ganging up and sharing costs against the top teams.
The key though is getting past this mess of not being able to follow closely enough in corners. DRS has been useful, but its not the same as being on someones tail through the corner and having an honest fight about it on the straight with cars swapping into each others slipstreams.
The issue is that they'll all argue that the development of cars using more ground effect will cost more money and isn't a certain fix, so it won't happen since everything about the rules in F1 is a democracy.
Where do we want to go with tyres? At the moment teams are holding back to make them last, but similarly we don't want them lasting ages. I don't know what they can do for tyres that will mean drivers don't driver under the limit to conserve them for an extra 3 or 4 laps.
No reason why the teams shouldn't be able to share components to reduce costs, either as customers from the top teams or as a coalition ganging up and sharing costs against the top teams.
The key though is getting past this mess of not being able to follow closely enough in corners. DRS has been useful, but its not the same as being on someones tail through the corner and having an honest fight about it on the straight with cars swapping into each others slipstreams.
The issue is that they'll all argue that the development of cars using more ground effect will cost more money and isn't a certain fix, so it won't happen since everything about the rules in F1 is a democracy.
Where do we want to go with tyres? At the moment teams are holding back to make them last, but similarly we don't want them lasting ages. I don't know what they can do for tyres that will mean drivers don't driver under the limit to conserve them for an extra 3 or 4 laps.
What can be changed to allow cars to use slipstreaming more and longer? As I understand, there is currently no sense in getting behind another car except for a few seconds. If you are longer behind the car you get the whole dirt from the front car.
But what changed? If i remember correctly, slipstreaming was a constant part of Formula 1 racing in the 90's and early 2000's. If you are behind the front car, right at the tail, you can benefit from mistakes or suboptimal driving. And the additional slipstream energy can be used to overtake the car.
But what changed? If i remember correctly, slipstreaming was a constant part of Formula 1 racing in the 90's and early 2000's. If you are behind the front car, right at the tail, you can benefit from mistakes or suboptimal driving. And the additional slipstream energy can be used to overtake the car.
frontieruk
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Isn't it the diffusers on modern cars just disrupt the air flow behind them rather than punching a large hole cars can sit in gaining an advantage?
A modern F1 car relies very heavily on clean air flowing over the front wing to condition it for the rest of the car. All those flaps and little pieces are there to move the air around the car in different ways to generate downforce all over the car.
What that means is that as soon as you put some dirty air in front of it, half the wing isn;t working correctly, you lose downforce and so start scrubbing your tyres with understeer.
With a simpler front wing design it sohuld lose less downforce when confronted with bad air. That, coupled with more ground effect downforce (more likely with the electronic suspension they've been talking about) could help cars stay closer in corners.
Something that probably shouldn't be ignore though is why there is so much turbulent air out the back in the first place and if its because of something that can be stopped.
What that means is that as soon as you put some dirty air in front of it, half the wing isn;t working correctly, you lose downforce and so start scrubbing your tyres with understeer.
With a simpler front wing design it sohuld lose less downforce when confronted with bad air. That, coupled with more ground effect downforce (more likely with the electronic suspension they've been talking about) could help cars stay closer in corners.
Something that probably shouldn't be ignore though is why there is so much turbulent air out the back in the first place and if its because of something that can be stopped.
The races were only exciting because the top three teams each managed to build cars that succeeded at tracks with certain characteristics. The championship was exciting, but any exciting racing was mostly down to luck & circumstance rather than design.
Adjusting aero regs helps overtaking on straights. Extending braking zones by moving away from carbon brakes helps overtaking everywhere. This is an old concept raised in the 90s when overtaking seemed to fall off a cliff. Overtaking isn't as big of an issue in indycar, which has less aggressive brakes. MotoGP has tons of overtaking, and we know bike brakes suck. Longer braking zones makes the advantage of the late braker proportionally greater. No one else agree? I've held this belief a long time. PEACE.
It's not something that's ever occurred to me as an issue, but I can see your point. I don't think that's the answer, or something that's even going to be considered though.
nature boy
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Not just Bernie, the FIA also wants showbiz tyres.
I know this gets repeated so often - but who exactly would that be?
No, WFV, do not get overexcited, I repeat, do not get overex... too late! ;-P
Which year?
Great to know that the man in charge is delusional.
JadedWriter
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He must be speaking from the parallel universe where Bizarro Superman exists.
AhhhhhhhhHAHAHAHAHAHA
but then you bring up the age-old 'F1 is the pinnacle of technology in motorsport' argument. I don't disagree with you, but to do that you need to accept that technology cannot come first. Arguably that is already happening with tyres being standardised, testing being restricted, and engine capacity reduced.
I'd be all for simpler aero to be less affected by following another car, and longer braking zones, and not having to manage tyres to the same degree. But it would need a pretty fundamental shift in F1's position
king picollo
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I get the feeling everything they say has to be positive for sponsorship reasons.
Michelin are happy to be a sole supplier, but I'm pretty sure the only thing holding back a multi-supplier sport before was Michelin not wanting to create terrible tyres on purpose like Pirelli.
This is just sad now.
Either this is just PR bullshit, or the guy does not know what he is talking about.
JadedWriter
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Or he's drunk out of his mind on sake.
Business
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(edited) Excess aero combined with the super short braking distances is THE problem.
Pretty much every year I go to the Barcelona winter test, the one thing I always take new people to watch is turn one so they can see how unbelievably short the braking distance is. Cars come in at +310km/h and they start braking 75ish meters before the turn. Now if because of dirty air (that they tried to minimize there with the introduction of the chicanne before the last turn) cars are easily 10-15 meters apart if not more, how on earth can you gain that much by outbraking the car in front?.
DRS looks cheap but it's a necessary patch to compensate for the excess aero grip (and the lack of mechanical grip) and the short braking distances. What F1 should do though is create the conditions so racing doesn't need a patch.
Big Takeover
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Brake material isn't as big of a deal as you might imagine. Tires and aero play a much more significant role.
In fact, iirc, the last time steel brakes were run in F1 was when Zanardi had them fitted to his Williams at Monza. He hated the feel of the carbons, and thought he could find something by going back to steel. From what I remember, it made no difference at all in lap times.
The solution is really in the aero as Brundle suggests. Insensitive front wings, and more overall drag (wider car, wider tires, wider rear wing, more draggy rear wing). Everything else falls into place behind that.
If your goal was to increase braking distance, I think you'd find it very hard to implement without upsetting the apple cart. Less downforce, less tire - I'm not sure that would be the best way. Tire wear could become even more critical.
...and this is why they are in the position they are in?
I'm sure Boullier appreciates those comments lol
I want Grosjean to tangle with one of the McLarens so this gif can be relevant again
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118955
Details of how prize money was distributed in 2014. Looks totally fair.
Details of how prize money was distributed in 2014. Looks totally fair.
Fox Mulder
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Psychotext
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Absolute worst race to do it at, unless they go up into the hills and speak to the fans that aren't technically at the track.
I think some drivers wanted to survey their neighbors about stuff and this is the excuse they came up with.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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those are the fans they want to attract right.. Not us.
Utterly ridiculous
Williams finish a place above Ferrari and get HALF the prize money, Mercedes beat Red bull and Ferarri and get $30m and $40m less respectively.
McLaren still getting "premium" money three and a half times higher than Williams despite winning fuck all since 2008 and no Constructors since 1998!
I agree. Especially Ferrari and Mclaren numbers are insane.
JadedWriter
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nature boy
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Bye bye Michellin:
Bernie Ecclestone: Michelin return would be bad for Formula 1
WWE formula confirmed.
Bernie Ecclestone: Michelin return would be bad for Formula 1
WWE formula confirmed.