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[Chariot]

The hyperbole.

Bioshock Infinite was a massive disappointment if one had followed the initial trailers. And yet people acknolwedged that it was a good game in itself. Downgrade or not, severe or not, Witcher 3 seems a genuinly good game with still amazing graphics. CDPR'S reputation will not burn to the ground, the fans will not scatter around the world and Witcher 3 will be a great success and remembered pretty well, aside from the small group of grumpies.

 

[Sanctuary]

Welcome to the club. This is just another example of a game being shown far too early in its development. But, as the video above says, CD Project Red probably doesn't care, the game has received over one million pre-orders. Their reputation has been lost, though.

I never understood this whole "Honest Abe" mentality people had with this company in the first place. Besides that, they've lost nothing if the majority who purchased the game actually (even begrudgingly) enjoyed playing it. Like it or not, they are also a console game developer now and in the grand scheme of things the majority of the complaints are coming from the vocal minority that will be playing on PC. When you're at the bottom, you have something to prove. When you're at the top, all that matters is that you can stay there.

Remember, Ubisoft, EA/Bioware, Activision/Blizzard didn't start out the way they are now, and no one is infallible.

 

[Maximo]

The hyperbole.

Bioshock Infinite was a massive disappointment if one had followed the initial trailers. And yet people acknolwedged that it was a good game in itself. Downgrade or not, severe or not, Witcher 3 seems a genuinly good game with still amazing graphics. CDPR'S reputation will not burn to the ground, the fans will not scatter around the world and Witcher 3 will be a great success and remembered pretty well, aside from the small group of grumpies.

Debatable.

 

[stabiliser]

Come on CDPR make me happy and cancel the PC-release. That is the only thing that would stop this thread and it would make me laugh so hard... I hope they will give the PC master race what they deserve and ask for.

 

[Chariot]

Debatable.

"A lot of people"? Not all is cherry and unicorn of course, lot's of critique, but a lot of the commoners liked the game, did they not? Especially in contrast to the disappointment on GAF.

Come on CDPR make me happy and cancel the PC-release. That is the only thing that would stop this thread and it would make me laugh so hard... I hope they will give the PC master race what they deserve and ask for.

I don't agree with your attitude, but the imagination is funny.

"Dear people, we are glad to announce: the pc-version wasn't downgraded. It was CANCELLED HAHAHAHAHA"

 

[AmyS]

What disappoints me the most is not getting to play Witcher 3 with these scenes looking as they do here:

 

[HelloMeow]

Debatable.

Very.

 

[Easy_D]

Come on CDPR make me happy and cancel the PC-release. That is the only thing that would stop this thread and it would make me laugh so hard... I hope they will give the PC master race what they deserve and ask for.

Come on dude, don't be like that. Am I slightly disappointed? Yes. But I still think the game looks great across all platforms.

 

[GHG]

What disappoints me the most is not getting to play Witcher 3 with these scenes looking as they do here:

The game clearly never looked like that. In engine CG stuff.

But I take it you are running two titan x's based on what you're saying... Because if not there is no way you would have been playing a game that looks like that even if they gave you the option to.

 

[alexandros]

Come on CDPR make me happy and cancel the PC-release. That is the only thing that would stop this thread and it would make me laugh so hard... I hope they will give the PC master race what they deserve and ask for.

This is just sad.

 

[ISee]

CDPR'S reputation will not burn to the ground, the fans will not scatter around the world and Witcher 3 will be a great success and remembered pretty well, aside from the small

I think most of us (>90%) are aware of that and also most of us are still buying the game (>90%).

This is a graphics related thread, so we are talking about the ((shocking!) graphics and what was changed, how the game looks on different systems etc. And you know what? We enjoy talking abouth that kind of stuff.

You are the one grumpie, comming into this thread and telling the same old 'but I do not care so you shouldn't too, game will still sell good...

It is the same in every graphic related thread. If it is 30 vs 60 fps then someone comes in and say:"but i do not care about that... game will still sell good on xxx platform." If it is a 900p vs 1080p thread then someone comes in and says:"I do not care about resolution, you are stupid for thinking some does. The game will stell sell fantastic on XXX."

But we like to talk about it so please go away and enjoy another thread.

 

[texhnolyze]

Come on CDPR make me happy and cancel the PC-release. That is the only thing that would stop this thread and it would make me laugh so hard... I hope they will give the PC master race what they deserve and ask for.

I actually laughed at your tiny guts in posting this kind of post with a junior account.
I know you're a member.

 

[JBourne]

Come on CDPR make me happy and cancel the PC-release. That is the only thing that would stop this thread and it would make me laugh so hard... I hope they will give the PC master race what they deserve and ask for.

That'll show them.

Hey man, why is every single post you've made on this forum about The Witcher 3?

 

[StoppedInTracks]

What disappoints me the most is not getting to play Witcher 3 with these scenes looking as they do here:

Thank the underpowered consoles for that!

/I am buying W3 for Xbone eitherway

 

[Dreathlock]

Wow, i really had faith in CDPR.
Turns out its just another bs company trying to sell preorders with bullshots.

It will definetely be a good game and im sure that i will enjoy it, but this kind of marketing should be illegal.

 

[Chariot]

I think most of us (>90%) are aware of that and also most of us are still buying the game (>90%).

This is a graphics related thread, so we are talking about the ((shocking!) graphics and what was changed, how the game looks on different systems etc. And you know what? We enjoy talking abouth that kind of stuff.

You are the one grumpie, comming into this thread and telling the same old 'but I do not care so you shouldn't too, game will still sell good...

It is the same in every graphic related thread. If it is 30 vs 60 fps then someone comes in and say:"but i do not care about that... game will still sell good on xxx platform." If it is a 900p vs 1080p thread then someone comes in and says:"I do not care about resolution, you are stupid for thinking some does. The game will stell sell fantastic on XXX."

But we like to talk about it so please go away and enjoy another thread.

I was reacting to some of the massive hyperbole. I agree that the game doesn't look like the inital trailers or even Sword of Destiny and I am disappointed about some of the changes and a tad bit weirded out hwo CDPR PR handled questions regarding that issue.

But you can't deny that some people clearly go overboard, I remember people who claim that it looks worse than some PS3 games, that it looks worse than Witcher 2, that we should slam CDPR like it was yesterday. Despite some people claim that everyone is aware that Witcher 3 is still good looking, some people (and with "some" I mean more than one) seem to forget how last-gen looked like.

The thread is about downgrade right? The answer would be yes, or at least "it changed from the initial trailers" for those who don't like the word "downgrade", that we can all agree on, right. What's left is to look what and to what degree the game changed. There are reasonable arguments liek the foliage. And then there are people who screenshot twitch streams as evidence and others that repost it for pages.

And I am not drive by posting, I am following this thread for days. So please, please, don't treat me like a stupid dog that has to be pushed down the kitchen table. Because I am not the dog, I am the tea can.

 

[RudoIudo]

Yep. I've already played something similar to this scene yesterday and it looked nothing like this. Not even close. I think this is straight up 100% pre-rendered CGI and never ran on actual hardware.

Actually , the physics of the interiors is the only thing they admitted to have downgraded.

 

[Tankshell]

The hyperbole.

Bioshock Infinite was a massive disappointment if one had followed the initial trailers. And yet people acknolwedged that it was a good game in itself. Downgrade or not, severe or not, Witcher 3 seems a genuinly good game with still amazing graphics. CDPR'S reputation will not burn to the ground, the fans will not scatter around the world and Witcher 3 will be a great success and remembered pretty well, aside from the small group of grumpies.

But were Irrational Games still advertising Bioshock Infinite using the misleading 'initial trailers' as a full screen background on their official website, 1 day before release?

 

[pa22word]

But you can't deny that some people clearly go overboard

I too, find it utterly shocking that people tend to react negatively when lied to and censored.

 

[Liljagare]

I am more worried over gameplay issues, there seems to be a few of those. Trees not providing cover, objects breaking AI pathfinding (keep a fence between you and mob, shoot at will with crossbow), items floating in midair etc..

 

[Chaos17]

What disappoints me the most is not getting to play Witcher 3 with these scenes looking as they do here:

You will have probably to broke into the NASA and steal one of their PC to run that XD

 

[Chariot]

But were Irrational Games still advertising Bioshock Infinite using the misleading 'initial trailers' as a full screen background on their official website, 1 day before release?

I honestly can't remember. Probably not. This is awful practise, yes.

I too, find it utterly shocking that people tend to react negatively when lied to and censored.

I can understand the lying part. But the censored? If your refering to the cdpr forums than you clearing didn't follow the closed discussions. The moderation had no problem with discussions regarding the issue until some people (oh I love the term) decided to insult people who were of a different opinion. Discussion went pretty heated and things were said taht shouldn't be said were asked. Watch how long you could tell people on NeoGAF that they are retarded in any thread till you're banned. And watch how quick a thread gets closed when there are dozens of people doing that.

 

[stabiliser]

I actually laughed at your tiny guts in posting this kind of post with a junior account.
I know you're a member.

I am dead serious. It would be the best move for them. Imagin if Ubi would have done that for Watchdogs. Would have been much better for them to cancel the PC-releas then to bring it out. As soon as the PC community goes against you, cancel the game. That is the only thing than would save them. I mean, we have people now talking about lawsuits, if i were them i would try to avoid that.

 

[Totobeni]

You will have probably to broke into the NASA and steal one of their PC to run that XD

look at this, it's a UE4 demo running in real time on just one Titan X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EMc6eu3c8

I think Witcher 2013 is easy achievable on current PC GPUs and CPUs.

 

[Renekton]

What? I never suggested a high baseline *at all*.

It was implied. In response to the poster saying the PC minimum requirements is also a limiter to CDP's ambition, you said the PC is scalable so gamers are not forever excluded if a higher baseline is set.

My sense is that is at huge cost to upfront sales.

 

[THEaaron]

look at this, it's a UE4 demo running in real time on just one Titan X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EMc6eu3c8

I think Witcher 2013 is easy achievable on current PC GPUs and CPUs.

"just one titan x" + realtime render without interaction like Quantics Dreams PS4 showcase.

No, in a real game scenario it's not that easy.

 

[nOoblet16]

Whenever there's a downgrade I wonder if people ever think "Maybe this particular tech became problematic in other parts of the game" or "Maybe some of the other areas in the game just couldn't be done with this much complexity so they decided to even it out" instead of "CD Projekt lied" and "lol consoles". I am not saying it's necessarily the case but people don't even entertain that idea.

look at this, it's a UE4 demo running in real time on just one Titan X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EMc6eu3c8

I think Witcher 2013 is easy achievable on current PC GPUs and CPUs.

Games have a LOT more variables than a tech demo, then there's the issue regarding manpower, budget and time (it's already quite tough to keep the quality of all the assets consistent, let alone talk of high quality assets everywhere in a large open world game) . As it's been said before, look at the Quantic Dream PS4 demo and compare it to the other games being released.

 

[Sanctuary]

You are the one grumpie, comming into this thread and telling the same old 'but I do not care so you shouldn't too, game will still sell good...

But we like to talk about it so please go away and enjoy another thread.

I think you completely misread his post. You're basically saying the same thing he did.

I am more worried over gameplay issues, there seems to be a few of those. Trees not providing cover, objects breaking AI pathfinding (keep a fence between you and mob, shoot at will with crossbow), items floating in midair etc..

Trees that are perpetually bending in the forever tornado tend not to cover that well. I wonder how long it will take me to get over that shit. Because it looks ridiculous.

 

[Chaos17]

look at this, it's a UE4 demo running in real time on just one Titan X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6EMc6eu3c8

I think Witcher 2013 is easy achievable on current PC GPUs and CPUs.

I don't know, it's not a gameplay video.

 

[hooijdonk17]

This, my friends, is why everyone should just stop preordering shit.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

The game clearly never looked like that. In engine CG stuff.

But I take it you are running two titan x's based on what you're saying... Because if not there is no way you would have been playing a game that looks like that even if they gave you the option to.

Yup, Honestly, even if consoles weren't in the picture, I still don't think the game would have looked like that. Playing it this weekend on PS4, the scale is absolutely huge, and I think even a decent rig, Titan cards excluded, would struggle to run something that looked like whats in those gifs on such a large scale at 1080p 60fps. Would bring most PC's to their knees.

 

[Sanctuary]

Yup, Honestly, even if consoles weren't in the picture, I still don't think the game would have looked like that. Playing it this weekend on PS4, the scale is absolutely huge, and I think even a decent rig, Titan cards excluded, would struggle to run something that looked like whats in those gifs on such a large scale at 1080p 60fps. Would bring most PC's to their knees.

But that's the magic of scaling. Plus, they gotta have something to sell those $500+ cards right?
Don't worry, in 2019 we will see an almost photorealistic vision of TW4 and end up with 2013 TW3. The forums will be ablaze!

 

[Qassim]

It was implied. In response to the poster saying the PC minimum requirements is also a limiter to CDP's ambition, you said the PC is scalable so gamers are not forever excluded if a higher baseline is set.

My sense is that is at huge cost to upfront sales.

It seriously was not implied, get this idea of a "baseline" out of your head because that is far, far from what I was suggesting.

Having games that scale high, does not mean they can't scale to low end systems.

 

[drotahorror]

I hate to be off topic but is anyone else having an issue where if you view 'your posts' it doesn't show any in the past 24 hours or so? If I click 'your posts' it shows my last post as being yesterday but that's not true.

 

[Renekton]

It seriously was not implied, get this idea of a "baseline" out of your head because that is far, far from what I was suggesting.

Having games that scale high, does not mean they can't scale to low end systems.

Okay I get it.

Going back to the original point, in that case PS4/X1 would not affect the scalability of Witcher 3 either, they are just another mid/low spec system in that scale of yours.

 

[alexandros]

I am dead serious. It would be the best move for them. Imagin if Ubi would have done that for Watchdogs. Would have been much better for them to cancel the PC-releas then to bring it out. As soon as the PC community goes against you, cancel the game. That is the only thing than would save them. I mean, we have people now talking about lawsuits, if i were them i would try to avoid that.

The industry equivalent of taking your ball away and leaving. Maybe a more mature reaction would be to see if those complaining have a point, adress their concerns in an honest and straightforward manner and explain the company's position as clearly as possible?

 

[Alienous]

I hate to be off topic but is anyone else having an issue where if you view 'your posts' it doesn't show any in the past 24 hours or so? If I click 'your posts' it shows my last post as being yesterday but that's not true.

Yes, it sometimes happens, and clears up after a day or two.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I am dead serious. It would be the best move for them. Imagin if Ubi would have done that for Watchdogs. Would have been much better for them to cancel the PC-releas then to bring it out. As soon as the PC community goes against you, cancel the game. That is the only thing than would save them. I mean, we have people now talking about lawsuits, if i were them i would try to avoid that.

How about the option that makes the most sense? Stop showing internal target renders to the public.

 

[alexandros]

Okay I get it.

Going back to the original point, in that case PS4/X1 would not affect the scalability of Witcher 3 either, they are just another mid/low spec system in that scale of yours.

Which is why some seem to be suspecting that the reasons for the downgrade were not entirely technical. Personally I don't agree. I don't believe for a second that CDPR was pressured by the console makers into gimping the PC version in favor of parity. But there is definitely a big downgrade and I am extremely disappointed by the way they chose to handle the issue PR-wise. They were being dishonest with the initial reveal and they are being dishonest now with the provided excuses. I know many other companies routinely do the same but I and many other PC gamers thought that CDPR was different. That's the main cause for disappointment here, not the downgrade itself.

 

[dark10x]

This, my friends, is why everyone should just stop preordering shit.

What? The game fell short visually but it still seems to be a remarkably good game regardless.

 

[chromatic9]

More realistic shot to put in the OT

 

[Sanctuary]

What? The game fell short visually but it still seems to be a remarkably good game regardless.

I think they are just implying that the majority of the preorder sales were based off of the early footage, long before anyone actually had a chance to play it (for the gameplay).

 

[Totobeni]

How about the option that makes the most sense? Stop showing internal target renders to the public.

Ubi soft seems to learned the lesson as they revealed Assassin's Creed Syndicate without bullshit thanks to the backlash of last year. we need the gaming sites to take this story and talk about it like what the've done to Ubi so CDPR do not do this again.

 

[dark10x]

SO PCGH.de postet an new updated about the W3 PC vs PS4 problem. And yes they already have acces to the new day 1 patch.

And again, keep in mind I am not a pro translater and not even a good english speaker,..

source

Now your'e being silly. You cannot POSSIBLY think the background "detail" in the low detail shot is superior in any way. It's a jaggy, nasty mess. Eliminating all post processing and anti-aliasing does indeed produce a sharper picture - and it's ugly as sin.

The low settings simply disable all forms of image quality treatment leaving the game looking raw and aliased.

They were being dishonest with the initial reveal and they are being dishonest now with the provided excuses

I don't think they were being dishonest at all.

The dishonesty comes in when they started denying that there were downgrades. I highly doubt they made that 2013 footage just for shits and giggles - that was clearly their target. For whatever reason, they were unable to hit that target. They should have been upfront about this rather than attempting to hide it. I feel the reactions would have been much less negative.

 

[senahorse]

I think they are just implying that the majority of the preorder sales were based off of the early footage, long before anyone actually had a chance to play it (for the gameplay).

Or maybe they were based off the fact it's a fantastic series and of course they wanted more.

 

[pa22word]

Or maybe they were based off the fact it's a fantastic series and of course they wanted more.

If that were the case, then why lie to begin with?

 

[Sanctuary]

Or maybe they were based off the fact it's a fantastic series and of course they wanted more.

Why bother highlighting part of a post that is guessing about someone else's opinion? This is a thread about graphics, so I doubt his comment was regarding gameplay.

But what do I know?

 

[senahorse]

Why bother highlighting part of a post that is guessing about someone else's opinion? This is a thread about graphics, so I doubt his comment was regarding gameplay.

But what do I know?

I was simply providing a counter to the hypothesis that the majority of people that pre-ordered did so because of the footage itself not the quality of the game, I think outside of places like this you would be hard pressed to find people that even know.

But you're right, this is a thread about about graphics, not a thread about reason, my mistake.

 

[majin_pol]

You also need to get your eyes checked. As overused a statement as that is, if you think the only difference between the 2013 version and the 2015 version is just colors, pov and time of day. Jesus Christ.

I've never said thats the only difference, you would be supprised how much lighting / pov / colors can change a scene... i wont defend them... ( fine i'll use it ) "downgrade" is there but unless i see direct comparison of same scene with same lighting conditions i wont say its that bad.

 

[Arxisz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDilcyyyKJM

LMAO. That's perfect.