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[UltimaPooh]

totally wrong.
shitty movies fund shitty sequels and shitty video games.

Hahaha, Granted they make sequels to those movies but it's not likey the use all the money they made from the previous entry to make the new one. That money gets used on other investments.

 

[Chiggs]

Does it ever make you wonder why the general public may like a certain movie but critics and "elitists" do not? What could be the underlying reason for that?

I sympathize with you, but you should know that the war you're waging is unwinnable.

 

[Downhome]

Hmmm... Bay just gave his critics a big middle finger.

The 400 critics around the globe spoke. Then fans around the world spoke.

Transformers made $60.6 million dollars in the United States for a total of around $100 million from the world on opening day! One of the biggest single days in movie history.

Then never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.

To all the Transformer Fans - Thank You

Michael

 

[UltimaPooh]

Why doesn't he just make rides then?

At least with those you don't have glarring plots holes.

 

[Chiggs]

Hmmm... Bay just gave his critics a big middle finger.

Don't his movies already do that? Also, it's great living in a world where financial success trumps everything. I mean, it's just awesome.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Hmmm... Bay just gave his critics a big middle finger.

+1 for Bay.

Michael Bay Defense Force unite!

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

That is an amazingly narrow use of the word "amazing".

Like I said, I don't use the word lightly, and I'm not easily amazed. I've seen some amazing things in my life, but I don't toss the word around in casual conversation much, and rarely in regards to films.

 

[Dirtbag]

I thought he did a great job with the first Transformers, that's why I have a hard time letting this one slide. Maybe the novelty wore off, but it was just so bad......

 

[ZeoVGM]

Don't his movies already do that? Also, it's great living in a world where financial success trumps everything. I mean, it's just awesome.

Yeah, because that was the point.

 

[Rapping Granny]

Then never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.

TDK was for the people and it was a great movie, great directors do both.
That's just a shitty excuse for being such a shitty director.

Anyways, can't wait to see this drunk tomorrow night with a couple of friends, our driver is the only real transformers fan so it could be a bad night for him.

 

[syllogism]

And you are entitled to that.

But as a followup question, on a scale of 1 to 10, how big of a "moron" do you consider duckroll to be?

Just, you know, curious.

It's just a presumption and I can be convinced otherwise. He does have a questionable taste however and not just based on this.

 

[Stage On]

Screw the haters! I enjoyed the ride for what it was.

I can't belive people think the first movie was better then this. The first third of it before the Autobots show up is just PAINFUL to watch now and I nearly stopped watching several times during my rewatch.

I went into the new movie expecting more of the same, and that's exactly what I got only thankfully the humans part of this film isn't nearly as bad as it was the last time around.

Not that it was prefect by any means, alot of the transformers themselfs could still have used more screen time and lines, but all and all it was a fun summer movie which is all I really asked it to be.

Looking back at the orginal cartoon series, it dosn't exactly hold up story/plot wise these days so I don't mind the live action movies for not being slaviusly faithful to them.

The best transformers related thing that isn't a comic is still Beast wars. That and the recent Transformers animated. Sure it had an overall weak first season, but NOTHING has gotten the mythos of Transformers down quite so well as it has. Shame it'd pretty much done for when it feels like it's just barely started.

 

[ZeroGravity]

Saw it last night, excellent movie, and I'm glad for its success so far. It topped the first Transformers in almost every conceivable way, and Revenge of the Fallen, much more-so than the first film, was made for Transformers fans like me. I'm glad so many people beyond the normal whiny-internet crowd enjoy these movies for what they are as well: fun, summer action movies.

Going to see it again tomorrow, can't wait.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Saw it last night, excellent movie, and I'm glad for its success so far. It topped the first Transformers in almost every conceivable way, and Revenge of the Fallen, much more-so than the first film, was made for Transformers fans like me. I'm glad so many people beyond the normal whiny-internet crowd enjoy these movies for what they are as well: fun, summer action movies.

Going to see it again tomorrow, can't wait.

Standards have dropped. Yes, it's just a 'fun, summer action movie', but there is no reason why these films can't be good. This has no substance at all, it's pulp, movie junk food. I think being a summer blockbuster and not utterly brain dead don't have to be mutually exclusive.

 

[kaching]

Like I said, I don't use the word lightly, and I'm not easily amazed. I've seen some amazing things in my life, but I don't toss the word around in casual conversation much, and rarely in regards to films.

You are amazingly disciplined about the way you use a single word, and yet you went to see a Transformers movie by Michael Bay. That's amazing.

 

[ZeoVGM]

It's just a presumption and I can be convinced otherwise. He does have a questionable taste however and not just based on this.

:lol

There's that 'questionable taste' thing, as if it exists at all.

There is no such thing as 'questionable taste' unless you have a folder on your computer filled with Jonas Brothers music, episodes of iCarly, and pictures of underage childern.

You not liking things he likes does not give him 'questionable taste'.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Transformers was a fun summer movie.

Transformers 2 was not. It tried to be, but it couldn't even get the basic concept of continuity down, which all films that are crap have. How are the constructicons fighting the Autobots and forming Devastator at the same time? Why does it go form night to day in a single cut? Why is everyone looking at something in one cut and in the one right after they are looking at each other? The cinematography was horrendous. The editor either didn't know what to do with all the camera movements and we got this film or the editor was as much of an idiot as the Director of Photography and just made the film worse.

 

[MisterHero]

There was weird editing in this movie, some really drawn out scenes and a few awkward moments, but ultimately it gave what fans that hated the first one wanted the most: gigantic robot fights. For better or worse, RotF responded greatly in that regard.

Holy shit the forest scene was awesome.

Don't his movies already do that? Also, it's great living in a world where financial success trumps everything. I mean, it's just awesome.

doesn't a big opening mean that a lot of people went to see it and probably enjoyed it?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I think being a summer blockbuster and not utterly brain dead don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Conversely, movies don't HAVE to be intellectually stimulating, smart, etc either. For example, there are plenty of campy cheesy b-movies out there that are nonsensical trash when it comes to script or dialogue or narrative, yet there are people who still enjoy these for those exact reasons. Note that I'm not advocating that all movies have to be brain-dead either.

So to repeat earlier comments: if someone gets enough enjoyment from a film, does it ultimately matter to them whether it was good or not?

I mean, I enjoy eating a meal that's been excellently prepared with top-notch ingredients, but that doesn't mean I can't sometimes enjoy junk food from a hole-in-the-wall fast food joint. And while I can appreciate a complex video game with deep mechanics and an entertaining storyline, sometimes I'm just in the mood to play some Uno or Peggle. And I can be as big a boardgaming snob as anyone, but I'll still play something like Risk if I don't mind shutting my brain off for a few hours and just want to socialize with friends.

 

[Hero]

:lol

I am SO glad Ebert lived long enough to see this film.

It sounds so bad that I'd almost tempt myself to watch the insipid thing...if it were an hour shorter. I could waste 100 minutes watching a bad movie, but not over 2 hours.

Sadly, I'll just have to wait until it's on premium channels so I can catch it in small snippets.

I like how you have the audacity to act like your time is so fucking precious. You might have a point if it weren't for this:

It's even MORE boring than the original??





HOW???

What do you mean?

You'll find that GAF has a higher love-hate ratio for the first film than most places, even on the internet.

Your logic makes no sense.

There are more 'morons' in the world than there are 'superior specimens'.

If a movie caters to these morons, then shouldn't there be a large audience for it out...

I'm sure if the reviewer had to grade the original 1986 cheese-fest, he'd probably rank it even lower.

I just think the guy was bored with it.

I did like this review, though.



:lol

There is an unquestionable amount of shit in theaters at the moment.

It seems like the only decent popcorn flicks so far this season have been 'Star Trek', 'Drag Me To Hell', and 'Up'(though, I'm hesitant to call that a popcorn flick).

Agreed completely.

A live-action Transformers movie COULD work really well. Overly-elaborate designs and all. Heck, Shia LaBeoff could still be the main character and it could still be good. If done right, of course.

It doesn't need to be high art. But it doesn't have to pander to the low demographics to succeed, either.

It just needs a better visionary and better direction.

I realize you have an X-Men avatar, and this is like trying to talk a vegetarian into eating a hot dog...

But comics aren't much higher on the maturity rung than toys and action figures. They've BECOME more mature over time because of changing times and out of the need to push the story envelope further and further over time. But don't kid yourself. When comics and comic books started, they were just as much for children as you think the 'Transformers' toys are.

That's the point.

Transformers as a franchise has been around how long? 25 years?

Superman and comics have been around for over 70. It's taken comics a long time to evolve to the point where they are today.

I'm sure in time, Transformers will 'evolve' as a franchise and steer into something more than just 'kids' stuff'(if it has not already done so).

Everything starts off in a small and humble way.

I think it's short-sighted to think that Trasformers can NEVER be 'good' and can only exist to please kids who play with action figures.

See, I don't agree.

It's already a movie franchise.

Most of the people who are going to flock to the theaters this weekend don't play with toys. Many of them played with the toys when they were little kids, to be sure.

But that doesn't mean they don't enjoy the films for what they are: films.

It became more than just a toy the moment those little kids who played with those toys became adults.

I'm not ignoring it.

I'm saying that the films, as they are, mostly appeal to guys in their 20's and early 30's. Kids enjoy the films too, but the movies are largely successful because of those men who grew up with the franchise.

The films as many have stated are not high art. Heck, a lot of people don't even consider them good films.

But that's not to say that they aren't or shouldn't be. Just because Transformers started out as mere toys doesn't give the film or tv or comic creators an excuse to not try to do more with the source material.

The franchise as it exists today, is not just for kids anymore. And as such, can appeal to adults on a more serious level, should any creators decide to take it to that level. I agree that may not be the direction that Hasbro decides to take it. But I do feel that it would be a lost opportunity on their part to not try to do more with it. There's an audience out there for just this sort of thing, as you can evidently see in this thread and around the internet.

Well, like anything else, it can appeal to everybody. It can be for kids AND adults.

As a concept, what is Transformers?

It's large alien robots that wage war with one another that come to Earth and carry on their war there after thousands of years of being in suspended animation.

That's not much more of an outlandish concept as, say, a man who puts on long underwear and flies around and saves people from burning buildings and shoots lasers from his eyes.

I'm not arguing that Transformers should be dark and moody or directed by Frank Miller or anything extreme like that. But the stories can be written in a way that adults can enjoy them as well as children.

This really isn't that difficult to comprehend.

Naw, a mediocre film would be a 50%.

I'll be sad the day Ebert passes on.

His opinion is usually the first I look to when it comes to the consensus on any movie. 90% of the time, he's right on the money.



:lol

I believe the term for this is "CG diarrhea", Roger.



He needs to re-watch 'The Day the Earth Stood Still'.

That, and calling the Decepticons 'Deceptibots' will naturally make supporters for this film scoff at his review. What's that old man know anyway? He didn't even like 'Alvin and the Chipmunks'!

That bit was particularly nasty.

If he had an evil, villainous mustache while he was writing that review, you can bet he was twirling it.

Transformers and it's sequel are the science fiction equivalent of the Horror genre's own Troll and Troll 2.

Or the superhero film equivalent of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.

I think the comparison is apt.


I gotta say, when I first heard that there was going to be a sequel to the original 'Transformers' film, I was little bit dismayed. But in retrospect, I think it's a good thing that we'll have both of these films around to talk about for years and years to come.

We continue to lambast 'Independence Day', 'Godzilla', and 'Batman and Robin'.

Sure, why not?

Not at all.

I thought that was a fantastic movie.

I don't think Harry has a chance.

I could be wrong, and I haven't exactly kept up with how that franchise has been doing. But it seems to me like that franchise isn't the hot ticket it once was.

Indeed.

The backlash against TF1 mostly came long after it was out of theaters. I don't see this new one doing as well as the original, but it's first week should be enough to build enough momentum to keep it going long enough to reach #1 over the long summer haul.

There really isn't a lot of competition coming up, either, with the exception of Ice Age 3, which should overtake it's place as #1 at the BO, and Harry Potter, which is not only a long ways off, but it also appeals to a different audience and demographic.

Hmm, you could be right. It seems that each film has done around 300 million or so domestically since the very first one did well over that. That would indicate a very slight decline in overall ticket sales if you count hikes in ticket prices, but that would probably mean that the next one should do around 300 million again. That might be enough to take down Transformers 2. I don't see TF2 doing better than that.

So, you're right.

What's the word on 'Public Enemies', that John Dillinger thriller with Johnny Depp and Christian Bale?

That should do reasonably well, even though it carries an 'R' rating with it. The trailers looked pretty good. I don't see it being a mega blockbuster like TF2 or Star Trek, but it might be enough to knock some of the wind out of TF2's sails.

I just wanted to say that I just got finished watching 'The Rock'. I was compelled to pull out my old DVD and watch it again after talking about it in this thread and I'm glad I did.

Such a terrific, fantastic movie. Who says Michael Bay can't direct? 'The Rock' is anything but brainless. It's actually one of the smartest 'popcorn flicks' that I've ever seen.

Yeah...

You know, I find it so hard to believe that Sean Connery has been in but ONE film since 'Finding Forrester'. It seems like ages ago that I bought that as one of my first DVDs.

I can't say that every movie he's ever been in was a great movie, but I CAN say that he's made every movie he's ever been in a better one. It's such a pity he doesn't do movies anymore.

Not to sound pretentious or anything...

But I can guarantee that I've seen more than you. In fact I probably own more than you've seen.

Amazing, isn't it?

The reviews were generally split right down the middle until some of the top critics started getting their reviews out. Then the dominoes all fell the 'negative' way.

Not reading anything into it, just something to take notice of.

The CG isn't bad at all, as far as modern standards go.

It's just that it's obviously and glaringly CG. The only CG that's 'good'(for lack of a better word) is the kind where you can't tell it's CG. The art of film making is having the audience believe that what they're seeing on-screen is actually happening as they're watching it. When a special effect looks hokey or unbelievable, it can take the viewer out of the movie experience.

Now, this is no fault on the filmmakers'. Truthfully, I think that this is just about as good a job that can be done at this point in time with the technology we have available to us.

In years to come, CG will become more seamless and a better movie will be possible.

So as far as the animation and SFX go, this is about as good as it gets.

I agree.

I feel that just because the movie is geared towards kids or a general audience, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated to an interesting story. I feel that everything, no matter what demographic you're shooting for, should be engaging.

The point of any movie is to tell a story. Silent, or otherwise.

Transformers HAS a story, but not much of one. And what's there isn't very coherent or interesting. So, ergo, it isn't a good movie.

That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it for 'what it is' - an extravaganza of special effects and loud noises.

For example, I enjoy animated films quite a bit, even the ones that have shoddy stories. Just as long as the animation looks good and is interesting to look at. I'm not fooled into believing that they're 'good' by any stretch. I look at the films for their craft and I admire the work put into them and other reasons.

Nobody can fault a person for enjoying 'Transformers' or it's sequel. If all it takes for you to enjoy a movie is Megan Fox, expensive special effects, and giant robots, then godspeed to you.

But don't get upset if somebody looks at these films and says the stories are awful. Because for a lot of people, that is the entire reason to view a movie. That doesn't make them dumb.

It doesn't have to be Citizen Kane, but it would be nice if film makers could at least put the maturity level of their films on the same level of say...Star Wars. Again, not at all a mature movie, but it's enjoyable for all ages without the need to pander to idiots with sex jokes, humping dogs, or simplistic and cliched stories.

To a certain extent I do agree with you. There is really no weight to the terms "good" or "bad". It comes down to what you want out of a movie.

If you want to watch a film for the story, these films are shit. If not, there's enjoyment to be found here if you're a part of the demographic that this film has been tailored for. It's really that simple.

The argument goes back and forth. "I want a film with a story!" "What did you expect, it's Transformers, it's just for kids!" "Yeah, but I like Transformers, I'm no kid and wouldn't mind a better quality film. Kids would like it even more, too." "What would be the point? It's just giant robots. You're not supposed to get a story, you watch it for the action!"

It's all about wanting your cake and eating it, too. I don't see the problem with that.

Bring earplugs.

So true.



Also true!



If you bothered to read what I read, you'd know that I wasn't asking for a deep, complex story. Just one that doesn't pander to idiots. There is a big difference.



I am. It's a film that represents everything that's wrong with Hollywood films today. In that regard, I enjoy reading and watching all of the reactions to the people who have come away with mixed opinions. There's enjoyment to be found around, sure. Just not from the movie itself. :lol

Armond White. The people's critic!

I really enjoyed what he had to say about 'Wolverine: X-Men Origins'(which was pretty much the only bad movie this summer that he didn't like).



Hmm.

:lol

When I was a wee 6-year old lad, I observed a small group of my male classmates on the playground all gathered around in a circle. I noticed that they were all playing with assorted action figures from various cartoons from that time - Transformers, Ninja Turtles, He-Man, Barnyard Commandos - possibly others. I had a lot of the same toys at home.

What I found interesting was that they played with the toys a bit differently than I did. When I played with my Trasformers and Turtles, I created elaborate(for a 6-year old anyway) stories and adventures for my favorite characters to have. Think: Andy from Toy Story. That kind of thing. I would spend hours and hours thinking up all kinds of different ways to use my toys.

But, these kids played with their toys in a different way. The boys, gathered all around in a circle, were taking the toys in their hands and slamming them against one another and screaming violently. They were throwing the toys around, breaking a few of them in the process. There was no thought or creativity at all in the way they played with their toys.

Witnessing this, it occurred to my young mind, that I went about how I enjoy things like 'Transformers' and other childlike things a good deal differently than other boys my age.

I find it amusing and ironic that, 20 years later, I get to relive these feelings again.

Michael Bay doesn't like to come up with creative adventures for his action figures. He just slams them into one another and hopes for some explosions.

You forgot, it also has Megan Fox! That alone is worth the price of admission!

:lol :lol

TF2 should receive an honorary oscar based on Megan Fox's slow-motion sequences alone!

Fall! FALL!!!!

So for a guy whose time is so fucking damn precious you post in a thread about a movie you have no interest in seeing 38 FUCKING TIMES, is that right? Not only that, you try to pass off your opinion as fact and tried to give another guy a suggestion to bring ear plugs to the movie when you haven't even seen the fucking movie yourself. On top of that you've tried to pass yourself off as some holier-than-thou bastion of movie-goers and that your taste is impeccable and anybody that disagrees with you is wrong and an idiot. If that's how you feel then why the fuck do you keep posting in this thread?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

You are amazingly disciplined about the way you use a single word, and yet you went to see a Transformers movie by Michael Bay. That's amazing.

I went for free. I got invited to an advanced screening, otherwise it is highly unlikely that I would have seen this in the theater.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

SHOTS FIRED

 

[syllogism]

:lol

There's that 'questionable taste' thing, as if it exists at all.

There is no such thing as 'questionable taste' unless you have a folder on your computer filled with Jonas Brothers music, episodes of iCarly, and pictures of underage childern.

You not liking things he likes does not give him 'questionable taste'.

It's just a more polite way of saying that, on average, person who enjoys a certain movie is an idiot. I'm a bit more open regarding some other mediums such as music.

I admit I probably like some things that could easily make someone presume me an idiot as well. Of course you can't universally apply this to every movie, book or whatever as some people truly like different things for other reasons.

 

[Dabanton]

The 400 critics around the globe spoke. Then fans around the world spoke.

Transformers made $60.6 million dollars in the United States for a total of around $100 million from the world on opening day! One of the biggest single days in movie history.

Then never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.

To all the Transformer Fans - Thank You

Michael

Salutes.

 

[Chiggs]

doesn't a big opening mean that a lot of people went to see it and probably enjoyed it?

Absolutely it does. But I know there are also a good number of people who thought the film was a sloppy mess that ran for too long.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

It is my opinion that anyone who found this movie amazing or even good is a moron. Just an opinion.

That's a pretty terrible opinion, but that's just my opinion.

 

[UltimaPooh]

There was weird editing in this movie, some really drawn out scenes and a few awkward moments, but ultimately it gave what fans that hated the first one wanted the most: gigantic robot fights. For better or worse, RotF responded greatly in that regard.

See they didn't even do that right...

While the first had close up shots that didn't show too much action, it left you wanting more, leaving your mind to imagine what the rest looked like.

In this one they SHOW you everything, or attempt to. Usually that's not a bad thing but in this it was. Having more Transformers on screen didn't help either because it was mostly filled with ones I didn't care about like Skidz and Mudflap.

Spoiler

Devastator was ruined because he had no scale. All we know is that he was the third of the size of the pyramids and most people in their lives only see the pyramids through TVs and movie theatres never understanding the size. Put him next to a skyscapper and people will instantly understand.

Devastator was cool looking though, don't get me wrong ILM did a great job on him, he just wasn't interesting after he connected himself,

Spoiler

cause he didn't fight anyone or try to stomp on the Autobots.

Aliens had better Mech action than Transformers 2.

EDIT: Sorry if I spoiled anything...

 

[Chiggs]

^^^^^^

Devastator was a real chump who

Spoiler

got rocked by a single shot.

He was not nearly as devastating as he should have been.

 

[Albino_Samurai]

All i got to say about all of this is the following:

It could have been so much more than just a couple of summer blockbuster movies with the intention to sell the onscreen product as a toy.
I realy think this could have gone bigger than Lord of the Rings or even StarWars if it would have been treated properly.

 

[ZeoVGM]

It's just a more polite way of saying that, on average, person who enjoys a certain movie is an idiot.

:lol

Yeah, you just keep on winning.

 

[Sanjuro]

I think everyone is in agreement that you go to the movie and get a really cool forest fight.

Everything else is a toss up depending on your opinion. There are endless things wrong with the film though.

 

[Marty Chinn]

if i really liked the first movie, would i like this one?

I loved the first movie but I came away disappointed with this one. So no, liking the first one doesn't mean you will like the sequel.

 

[Chiggs]

I think everyone is in agreement that you go to the movie and get a really cool forest fight.

Everything else is a toss up depending on your opinion. There are endless things wrong with the film though.

I thought John Turturro's character was a bright spot.

 

[syllogism]

:lol

Yeah, you just keep on winning.

What does that even mean? Ever wonder why you liked all those bad movies as a kid? Naturally there are also other factors, such as what movies you've seen previously.

But hey, keep on believing all opinions are equal

 

[MisterHero]

Absolutely it does. But I know there are good number people who though the film was a sloppy mess that ran for too long.

well there you have it. it's clearly not a critically-acclaimed film. I am little of both mindsets myself; the ones who enjoyed it and the ones who noticed the many, many flaws. It doesn't mean the world has gone to hell just because this movie succeeded.

Let the critics have their say. It will not stop other good movies from being made.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

^^^^^^

Devastator was a real chump who

Spoiler

got rocked by a single shot.

He was not nearly as devastating as he should have been.

This is a legit complaint. Not entirely sure why they even needed to throw him in here, just kind of wasted. I was so nervous that mudflap and skidz were gonna take him down by themselves, that would've been just pathetic.


Still though,

Spoiler

fucking laser cannon.

 

[samus4ever]

Jesus Transformers made 60 mil the first day. 2nd highest day after The Dark Knight

 

[UltimaPooh]

This is a legit complaint. Not entirely sure why they even needed to throw him in here, just kind of wasted. I was so nervous that mudflap and skidz were gonna take him down by themselves, that would've been just pathetic.


Still though,

Spoiler

fucking laser cannon.

Oh man this scene could have been sooooo much better if they just did this:

Spoiler

After Devastator get's "destroyed" by the laser he rebuilds himself once again and continues to take the pyramid down and going after Turturo. It would raise the stakes and make it seem like everything is in peril.

But they didn't due that, and the emotional gravity of the entire situation was lost. It's something so simple too.

Normally I don't say I can do a better job than Directors but in the case of this particular movie I could have easily done a better job in guiding the direction of this film.

 

[Raxus]

God, Rolling Stone tore this movie's throat out going as far as calling it the worse movie of the decade (which is untrue, I saw Norbit).

 

[ZeoVGM]

What does that even mean? Ever wonder why you liked all those bad movies as a kid? Naturally there are also other factors, such as what movies you've seen previously.

But hey, keep on believing all opinions are equal

Uh, when it comes to "I like this movie"/"I hate this movie", yes, all opinions are equal.

But hey, keep on pretending otherwise.

 

[Tobor]

All i got to say about all of this is the following:

It could have been so much more than just a couple of summer blockbuster movies with the intention to sell the onscreen product as a toy.
I realy think this could have gone bigger than Lord of the Rings or even StarWars if it would have been treated properly.

I'm in this camp as well. Missed opportunity. It would have been nice to see what a competetent director could have done with the franchise, but I'm not broken up about it.

 

[UltimaPooh]

God, Rolling Stone tore this movie's throat out going as far as calling it the worse movie of the decade (which is untrue, I saw Norbit).

Norbit's a purely comedy movie. While it was terrible you could laugh at how terrible it was and never even remotely try to take it seriously.

Transformers 2 you go in expecting to get some return on a film about giant robots fighting other giant robots to save Earth.

 

[Raxus]

Oh man this scene could have been sooooo much better if they just did this:

Spoiler

After Devastator get's "destroyed" by the laser he rebuilds himself once again and continues to take the pyramid down and going after Turturo. It would raise the stakes and make it seem like everything is in peril.

But they didn't due that, and the emotional gravity of the entire situation was lost. It's something so simple too.

Normally I don't say I can do a better job than Directors but in the case of this particular movie I could have easily done a better job in guiding the direction of this film.

Michael Bay doesn't do well with emotions, or editing, or plot, hell I don't even think humans register with him.

 

[Sanjuro]

I thought John Turturro's character was a bright spot.

He was practically the only bright spot in the first film. Besides Shia the humans are VERRRRRYYYYY flat. In this film they flesh out some of them a bit but basically it is a two person show. For what he was I thought Leo was okay.

My problem with the characters came with the robots. There are only two Autobots in the film...Prime and Bumblebee. None of the other actual combat bots do anything or have anything to say. The only bright spot to the film in terms of them were the banter between Megatron and Starscream which should have been extended more. Not just for the nostalgia, but because like the Autobots there were no other interesting characters.

 

[MisterHero]

God, Rolling Stone tore this movie's throat out going as far as calling it the worse movie of the decade (which is untrue, I saw Norbit).

people saying this is worse than Dragonball or (I'll throw this one into the ring) Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li are either crazy or aren't thinking enough and just want to generate some hyperbole

I'll say they're crazy, but it won't diminish their right to an opinion

 

[Snaku]

All i got to say about all of this is the following:

It could have been so much more than just a couple of summer blockbuster movies with the intention to sell the onscreen product as a toy.
I realy think this could have gone bigger than Lord of the Rings or even StarWars if it would have been treated properly.

That's where I stand as well. Maybe they'll reboot the whole thing in 10 years?

 

[kaching]

I went for free. I got invited to an advanced screening, otherwise it is highly unlikely that I would have seen this in the theater.

That's amazingly fortunate.

 

[Tobor]

people saying this is worse than Dragonball or (I'll throw this one into the ring) Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li are either crazy or aren't thinking enough and just want to generate some hyperbole

I'll say they're crazy, but it won't diminish their right to an opinion

For me, it's a straight dollar->trash ratio.

If two movies both suck, the one that wasted more money sucks more.

Using this theory, Uwe Boll movies > Michael Bay movies.

 

[victreeb3l]

Really glad this film is doing well financially. But I think we all knew that. The haters can suck it.

 

[UltimaPooh]

people saying this is worse than Dragonball or (I'll throw this one into the ring) Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li are either crazy or aren't thinking enough and just want to generate some hyperbole

I'll say they're crazy, but it won't diminish their right to an opinion

I haven't seen Dragon Ball or The Legend of Chun-Li but if they can maintain continuity they're already miles ahead of Transformers 2