No, his characterization was terrible. I'm baffled by people raving about it.
Marvel's Daredevil |OT| Legally Blind *spoilers for all of S1*
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cj_iwakura
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Where did Gao go if not China? Hoping S2 brings her back in some form.
I had expected Vanessa's request would be finishing her off in some way.
I had expected Vanessa's request would be finishing her off in some way.
She's confirmed to be tied to Steel Serpent, somehow. Her heroin used his sigil, and she definitely seemed unnatural. Seeing how that's an Iron Fist villain, my guess is she'll show up during that series instead of S2 of Daredevil, and she'll turn up in the mystical city of K'un-L'un.
The Lamonster
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Fisk finally realizing he was the bad guy was awesome.
I AM THE ILL INTENT!
I AM THE ILL INTENT!
It's such a great quote too. In fact, that entire scene is one of my favourites. It's up there with Matt's monologue in court about good and evil and his confession to the priest.
Yep, all great scenes. All the church visits had great dialogue imo, with Peter McRobbie killing it as Lantom. And the whole sequence with Fisk "breaking bad" at the end was rad, I got chills when he stepped out of the vehicle. Really enjoyed the courtroom scene too. I hope we get a bit more lawyering next season, with Matt having to intertwine his DD actions with his daily job.
BobbyRobby
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I really liked the flashbacks in this show.
Hoping next season starts with one about Karen or Matt and Elektra in college.
Hoping next season starts with one about Karen or Matt and Elektra in college.
Jack Scofield
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I was hesitant to start watching this show because I'm not a big fan of Marvel's films, but I'm glad I did. This show is way better than I expected. So much so that it's hard to believe its from the same company that brought us the Thor movies and the rest of the MCU.
I will say, however, that I don't understand why Matt Murdock was created as a blind person. I mean, I realize that's how it is in the comics, but in the show him being blind hardly affects anything. If he could see, almost nothing would be different. I don't see why he just couldn't be a normal person who trains in those fighting styles. But again, comic adaptation, I get it. I just it was weird how his blindness is almost like an afterthought.
I will say, however, that I don't understand why Matt Murdock was created as a blind person. I mean, I realize that's how it is in the comics, but in the show him being blind hardly affects anything. If he could see, almost nothing would be different. I don't see why he just couldn't be a normal person who trains in those fighting styles. But again, comic adaptation, I get it. I just it was weird how his blindness is almost like an afterthought.
Uh, he wasn't dating Karen.
Ghost_Messiah
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So wow just finished the entire season after doing a marathon over the last week or so (gotta love Netflix's ability to upload all of the episodes at once) and what a ride. I thought it started out strong with a great pilot. Then meandered around for a somewhat slow few episodes. Then finally hit its stride around episode five or six or so and was then just one hell of a thrill ride until the emotional and kinetic roller coaster season finale. Great show and even greater finale. Absolutely destroys previous depictions of Daredevil. They chose to go dark with this which like Batman suits the thematic story of the character and world exceptionally well.
Honestly I was about 35 minutes in to the finale where Fisk gets caught by the FBI and I was ready to come in here and say "Where is the hell is my climactic fight between Murdock and Fisk?" and then there's the deus ex machina that saves Fisk at the last minute leading to the alley fight. Saved the finale for me. I think the choice of making Fisk so physically strong was great. Can't remember the exact episode number but the penultimate fight between Murdock and Fisk had me saying WTF at the screen (where it's revealed Fisk is super strong and powerful; out matching Murdock completely in physical contest).
This the thing about the whole season to be honest. I was saying WTF at the shock twists all the time and I mean that in the most positive way possible.
Such an enjoyable ride. Looking forward to season 2!
Honestly I was about 35 minutes in to the finale where Fisk gets caught by the FBI and I was ready to come in here and say "Where is the hell is my climactic fight between Murdock and Fisk?" and then there's the deus ex machina that saves Fisk at the last minute leading to the alley fight. Saved the finale for me. I think the choice of making Fisk so physically strong was great. Can't remember the exact episode number but the penultimate fight between Murdock and Fisk had me saying WTF at the screen (where it's revealed Fisk is super strong and powerful; out matching Murdock completely in physical contest).
This the thing about the whole season to be honest. I was saying WTF at the shock twists all the time and I mean that in the most positive way possible.
Such an enjoyable ride. Looking forward to season 2!
IrishNinja
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*more brofist*
bat-fans should really read miller's run, parts are better than his batman work
this is such a weird opinion to me, the Stick ep - and the one before it - are my favorites in the series
that's green lantern bruh
me too, there was very little courtroom drama after the early eps
...seriously
oh god
SO HYPE
neoism
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same the only thing ive ever liked him in is the bug in MIB...
Jack Scofield
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Wow, he was Edgar? I had no idea, haha. There was a specific scene in the last episode that really reminded me of that character, but I didn't make the connection.
victreeb3l
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Have to watch that last 5-6 minutes of episode 2 time to time. Such a fantastic scene.
YES LOL. My brother and I were making Other M jokes whenever Fisk would start talking about the city.
YES LOL. My brother and I were making Other M jokes whenever Fisk would start talking about the city.
I'm disappointed. I was expecting "We Built This City" with Daredevil being cut in every time they say "this city"
I know, right? If the series ended right there, it would've still been fine. That last stand was fantastic, though.
I think his plan was to control organized crime in the city, then destroy while remaining at the top himself, thus preventing a power vacuum.
Perfect.
Lol. City is used in Daredevil about as often as the F word in Wolf of Wall Street.
Haeralis The BRave
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I read a lot of Daredevil comics many years ago, he's one of the only superheros I can say that about. Particularly, I read the Frank Millar issues. I haven't followed the stuff recently at all, but I wanted to see how the show was.
Generally, I liked it quite a bit. There was some very good casting in it, and the fight scenes were well done.
There were some things that didn't make very much sense to me though.
Why did Karen not know that Matt was Daredevil? I mean, she was in his apartment the night she was attacked and out of the bedroom where Matt was comes someone with similar physique and a black mask. I was like, "well at least we don't have to see Matt hide it from his love interest the whole season." Lol.
Also, why did the Kingpin know that killing Elena would bother Daredevil? Elena is tied to Murdock, Nelson, and Page. But where did Daredevil ever provide the Kingpin a reason to believe that he had anything to do with her? Furthermore, assuming that the Kingpin did somehow know that DD knew Elena, why did he make it so difficult for DD to find that warehouse? DD said he hunted the entire city looking for that one crackhead who did it, to tell him what he wanted to know. It seems like anything could have went wrong, DD could have not found the crackhead, and the crackhead might have just not remembered and not told him. Would Nobuo have just been waiting there anyway?
I've also got to say that I'm a bit disappointed that they killed off Ben Urich. The way it was done was good, and it did give me another reason to hate the Kingpin, but Urich is simply way to important to Daredevil lore for him to just not be around in all the following seasons. It'd be like if they killed J Jonah Jameson in season 1 of a Spiderman tv show.
Generally, I liked it quite a bit. There was some very good casting in it, and the fight scenes were well done.
There were some things that didn't make very much sense to me though.
Why did Karen not know that Matt was Daredevil? I mean, she was in his apartment the night she was attacked and out of the bedroom where Matt was comes someone with similar physique and a black mask. I was like, "well at least we don't have to see Matt hide it from his love interest the whole season." Lol.
Also, why did the Kingpin know that killing Elena would bother Daredevil? Elena is tied to Murdock, Nelson, and Page. But where did Daredevil ever provide the Kingpin a reason to believe that he had anything to do with her? Furthermore, assuming that the Kingpin did somehow know that DD knew Elena, why did he make it so difficult for DD to find that warehouse? DD said he hunted the entire city looking for that one crackhead who did it, to tell him what he wanted to know. It seems like anything could have went wrong, DD could have not found the crackhead, and the crackhead might have just not remembered and not told him. Would Nobuo have just been waiting there anyway?
I've also got to say that I'm a bit disappointed that they killed off Ben Urich. The way it was done was good, and it did give me another reason to hate the Kingpin, but Urich is simply way to important to Daredevil lore for him to just not be around in all the following seasons. It'd be like if they killed J Jonah Jameson in season 1 of a Spiderman tv show.
That wasn't his apartment, it was Karen's. She left and Matt followed her because he knew she was hiding something from him.
They could have explained that better, I always saw the Kingpin as ensuring that there wasn't a huge power vacuum from rival gangs seeking to make it to the top as well as providing some order to the criminal element.
Nope, I too thought he was incredibly bad.
Winterfang
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I loved the kingpin. He talked in a way that was very.. Unnatural. Which make him very awkward but make sense, he is not an ordinary human being and years of being in the dark can make a person socially odd. I also liked his right hand a lot, I never knew his motivations, since he though the city was a piece of shit though.
Anyway the show made me think Daredevil is cool, which is amazing since I find him to be the absolute lamest when it comes to super heroes. Well the mask is pretty cool, I'll see how good is his new persona on the next season.
I also find it great, that they took an entire season for an origin story. (the suit building and name) where most movies, either have heroes with the suit already it just Montage to it.
Anyway the show made me think Daredevil is cool, which is amazing since I find him to be the absolute lamest when it comes to super heroes. Well the mask is pretty cool, I'll see how good is his new persona on the next season.
I also find it great, that they took an entire season for an origin story. (the suit building and name) where most movies, either have heroes with the suit already it just Montage to it.
AuthenticM
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I thought D'nofrio was amazing as Fisk.
Solemn_In_Berlin
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His blindness heightened his other senses, allowing him to echolocate for instance. The world on fire thing allows him to "see" that is to say, perceive, in a different manner. For instance,
he wouldn't have been able to track the kidnapped kid at the end of episode 1.
Haven't finished the show, but I already know it's gonna end brilliantly. I particularly love the use of multiple languages; I feel like they add more depth and nuance to the world and to the characters. Also, while I loved the show on its own merit, it makes me so excited for Iron Fist.
anonymous_abc
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Finished the Season yesterday, so time to catch up on the spoilers.
We were quite shocked to see Wesley killed off. I really liked his character.
Overall a fun Season though. Really looking forward to S2.
So who is the Guy that Stick met up with at the end of the Stick Episode?
So will Vanessa be an evil mastermind in S2 trying to get Kingpin out?
We were quite shocked to see Wesley killed off. I really liked his character.
Overall a fun Season though. Really looking forward to S2.
So who is the Guy that Stick met up with at the end of the Stick Episode?
So will Vanessa be an evil mastermind in S2 trying to get Kingpin out?
WesternHeretic
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Posting just for auto-sub.
Super late but just started enjoyed the first episode!
Super late but just started enjoyed the first episode!
Solemn_In_Berlin
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I'm more curious about the Black Sky since I don't recall reading anything about that.
KernelPanic
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I feel like the only person who likes the Stick episode.
With most of the series focused on Fisk and his origins, it's nice to have an episode dedicated mostly to Matt and show what happened to him after his father died and where he learned to fight.
With most of the series focused on Fisk and his origins, it's nice to have an episode dedicated mostly to Matt and show what happened to him after his father died and where he learned to fight.
I thought Stick was alright, episode-wise. Not one of my favorites but not, y'know, offensive.
However, I'm a big fan of Stick as a character. It's rare to see an "asshole on the side of good" that is truly, definitively, 99% unpleasant and unlikable, so I give them a lot of credit for that.
However, I'm a big fan of Stick as a character. It's rare to see an "asshole on the side of good" that is truly, definitively, 99% unpleasant and unlikable, so I give them a lot of credit for that.
I liked it. I enjoyed seeing the flashback scenes, too, and the fight in the apartment was pretty good.
*just* finished the show.
People didn't like the Stick episode? What the hell? I'm a sucker for the "higher powers" showing up briefly and especially a sucker for pushing a hero into trying to break his personal morals (no killing). Stick was great and the actor did an amazing job.
Venessa and Fisk are the true OTP and Venessa is great. Loved that she ended up supporting Fisk's philosophy.
People didn't like the Stick episode? What the hell? I'm a sucker for the "higher powers" showing up briefly and especially a sucker for pushing a hero into trying to break his personal morals (no killing). Stick was great and the actor did an amazing job.
Venessa and Fisk are the true OTP and Venessa is great. Loved that she ended up supporting Fisk's philosophy.
I love Stick as a character, I just think interspersing flashbacks involving him into episodes before his big episode was a better idea. The way it is now he shows up in past and present in the same episodes, so we don't get to know him before he stay hinting at weird shit. It'd have been cooler if we'd seen the flashbacks of him training Matt and then got "oh yeah, supernatural shit."
Ninja Scooter
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Finished this up and to be honest, maybe I'm crazy, but it might be the most entertaining thing for me that the MCU has ever produced. Such a great way to do a comic book television series. This is what I wanted Gotham to be, instead of the badly acted/written procedural full of tacky fan service. Only downsides were Foggy's actor is awful, and D'Onofrio as Kingpin was a little iffy for me at times, but when he was on he was great. When we saw brutal, badass Kingpin he really nailed it. Other than that, the only criticism I have is that DD's final costume sorta killed the climax for me. I hated it. Made him look too stocky and made his face look fat. Also I think they need to whiten up the eye slots to break up face a little. It was too dark. Hopefully we get a Begins-->Dark Knight style revision in terms of sleekness for Season 2.
KernelPanic
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I think we only had one brief instance in the second episode where they showed how Matt "sees" the world.
I thought they'd do it more often tbh.
I thought they'd do it more often tbh.
finished watching the show and i think there was a lot of fluff to be honest, mostly in the way of foggy and karen. also don't agree with the decision to kill ben ulriich, which is just an extension of having karen around and doing snooping and snooping badly.
overall it felt like someone watched arrow season 1 and decided to make a good show out of it. it's tighter, with better writing, and more entertaining action scenes. i think the show kinda tops out pretty early with episode 2's hallway fight. i just love that the episode is basically matt being half-dead and still deciding to take on a bunch of mobsters on his own. the way tension was built by having characters slowly get up to continue the fight was a lot of fun and helped inject a bit of realism into the show.
really liked fisk, and the parallels they drew between him and murdoch. does every writer need to put in the 'we're not so different' line? come on, people could have inferred that by then.
i think the show could have lost about 4 episodes and might have been better for it. the episode with stick, everything with foggy/karen, and 11/12 could have been considerably reduced. the best parts with karen were the parts with ben, so why not have murdoch be batman to ben's jim gordon? if they really still felt the need to kill him, it might have had more impact with it being directly related to the man character (although i think killing characters just because their death impacts the main character is cheap).
oh and the black suit was rad. it's not that the red suit isn't good, but the black suit, despite its simplicity, kind of became something that i associated with the character. the 'i must become a symbol' element felt incredibly out of place.
overall it felt like someone watched arrow season 1 and decided to make a good show out of it. it's tighter, with better writing, and more entertaining action scenes. i think the show kinda tops out pretty early with episode 2's hallway fight. i just love that the episode is basically matt being half-dead and still deciding to take on a bunch of mobsters on his own. the way tension was built by having characters slowly get up to continue the fight was a lot of fun and helped inject a bit of realism into the show.
really liked fisk, and the parallels they drew between him and murdoch. does every writer need to put in the 'we're not so different' line? come on, people could have inferred that by then.
i think the show could have lost about 4 episodes and might have been better for it. the episode with stick, everything with foggy/karen, and 11/12 could have been considerably reduced. the best parts with karen were the parts with ben, so why not have murdoch be batman to ben's jim gordon? if they really still felt the need to kill him, it might have had more impact with it being directly related to the man character (although i think killing characters just because their death impacts the main character is cheap).
oh and the black suit was rad. it's not that the red suit isn't good, but the black suit, despite its simplicity, kind of became something that i associated with the character. the 'i must become a symbol' element felt incredibly out of place.
peanutbutterlatte
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Holy shit love some of the lines hidden away on first viewing.
"The fact it's red means blood doesn't show up as much" - Matt Murdock about his dad's boxing gear.
Also the comment Leland made about how whenever heroes damage property their profits go up 10% made me realise they are like MCU's Damage Control, except evil.
"The fact it's red means blood doesn't show up as much" - Matt Murdock about his dad's boxing gear.
Also the comment Leland made about how whenever heroes damage property their profits go up 10% made me realise they are like MCU's Damage Control, except evil.
Just wondering, other than Avengers, what movies had characters fighting in NYC?
Norton's Hulk fucked up Brooklyn.
I was struggling to think of an example and I knew I was forgetting one.
The Lamonster
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In retrospect, I still hate Foggy's casting and love Fisk and Murdock's casting.
Marvel put up an article about the design of the costume. Ryan Meinerding designed it, which I'm kind of shocked to learn since it didn't translate that well into live action like his other costumes do (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Widow, etc). The concept art is way better than the final real world suit.
http://marvel.com/news/tv/24632/ryan_meinerding_details_the_design_of_daredevils_costume
http://marvel.com/news/tv/24632/ryan_meinerding_details_the_design_of_daredevils_costume
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Marvel put up an article about the design of the costume. Ryan Meinerding designed it, which I'm kind of shocked to learn since it didn't translate that well into live action like his other costumes do (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Widow, etc). The concept art is way better than the final real world suit.
http://marvel.com/news/tv/24632/ryan_meinerding_details_the_design_of_daredevils_costume
Jeeeeeeeesus, this concept art looks phenomenal. I really liked the suit in motion, but you can tell it's a prototype.
The Outsider
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Wow, that concept art is awesome. Definitely something lost in translation. Think it's how the cowl fits. The suit itself seems to have replicated pretty well.
FullMetaltech
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Looks great in concept. But in the show it looks off for some reason.
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