Buddha Beam
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So... 5 to 20 more years of moe and then it's finally dead and buried?
Gonna be a long 5 to 20 years.
Gonna be a long 5 to 20 years.
Hideaki Anno predicts decline of anime in 5 to 20 years
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Dark Ninja
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End of Fanservice heavy anime. Maybe we can return to Action Oriented Ultra Violence anime.
A) Sturgeon's Law
B) The proliferation of "moe" anime (which aren't all created equally offensive) is a SYMPTOM of those other issues I mentioned, not the cause. If the anime industry "dies" (whatever that means) you aren't going to see some sort of renaissance of "manime" unless a lot of people in Japan are interested and willing to buy it. It's fine to hate "moe" anime or whatever but its not the enemy, the Japanese economy is the enemy if anything else. (This is the main point of that post)
C) A ton of anime is created for kids. Dora the Explorer doesn't hold my interest because I'm a grown adult but its existence isn't offensive or problematic. The same is true of most "Teenagers Save the World" type shows (one of which you are clearly hyped for given your avatar
)D) There are certainly a lot of interesting topics of discussion that can be born from this article or sentiment but topics like these tend to be dominated by "I haven't seen a single anime in 5-20 years but I know they are all trash - trust me I'm an expert!" type posts. They are often ignorant and don't really contribute a whole much and I'm not super interested in seeing a ton of them.
Anime has a problem that most are the same and all have to do with High School , such a problem that it seems there's only one good anime each year. Was a long time since I watched anime as Attack on Titan brought me back then moved on to Parasyte
There are WAY more than one good anime a year. Tell us what kind of things you like and we will fill up your backlog in a hurry
Anime has been declining for the last 40 years, minus a small bump in the 90's. It's not a very healthy industry, as it's being supported largely by the obsession of a small number of people.
I actually think an anime crash would be fantastic. Sure it might suck when it's happening, but an industry crashing usually leads it to being stronger than it was before, as its bad business practices tend to be fixed.
I actually think an anime crash would be fantastic. Sure it might suck when it's happening, but an industry crashing usually leads it to being stronger than it was before, as its bad business practices tend to be fixed.
John Kowalski
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Lol @ people thinking that more intelligent and mature shows would save the animu industry from bankruptcy.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Japan's cultural impact lasted for 2 decades at best, (mid-80s to mid-2000s) and for much of that time they had to hide that the exports were Japanese. And that was in the pre-internet age... it's like how it was easier to sell a platinum record or have a million view TV show before the internet. You won't easily have another country come along and do the same thing.
But that in mind, Korea is huge in exports of media to Asia. While 90s American kids might have idolized Japan, kids in Asia are doing the same for Korea now. And even that's probably going to be a tiny blip in time because there are so many worldwide producers of content vying for attention now.
Hate to say it but the Japanese dominance of media was a little anomaly in history. From the time that Japan was disguising their products as American, through the time that anime fandom rose and fell, was a little window of time.
JordanN
Banned
We'll see a return to cartoon avatars.
Let the western renaissance begin... please?
Pretty much, things like Texhnolyze bombed for a reason. People point to recent shows like Ping Pong as evidence that anime still does it, and yet that shit bombs too, like clockwork. Anime fans are just too insular, and it creates a self perpetuating cycle. Its less to do with content in any case and more to do with the delivery method of these series/movies and the amount of money being spent on them from both parties (creators and consumers alike).
Goro Majima
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Eh, NFL-GAF has more anime these days.
Delta Assault
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bengraven
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A return to the gritty, beautifully animated badass shit from the late 80s and early 90s like Appleseed, Ghost in the Shell, Ninja Scroll, Akira, Wolf Brigade, etc, without the trendy teenage characters? I'm in.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I remember the days when I thought that's what anime was.. *sigh*
Stuff like that is still made today. Problem is that they don't seem to sell nearly as well as the pandering anime.
ATXAlchemy
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You don't know there are also teenage animu in the 80s and 90s?
AtomskEater
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Well, I know what I must do.
*drops my copy of Genki and looks for a Taiwanese textbook*
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
There was all kinds of anime in the 80s and 90s too, and plenty of shows about teenagers. But much/most of that stuff was stylistically different from what is considered "moe" today. Like I don't recall every single under-20 girl in 80s anime having a permanent blush to flanderize their cherubic, child-like vulnerability.
AquaWateria
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Anime has a problem that most are the same and all have to do with High School , such a problem that it seems there's only one good anime each year. Was a long time since I watched anime as Attack on Titan brought me back then moved on to Parasyte
Have you not seen Blood Blockade Battlefront or Arslan Senki this season, both of which don't deal with High School with the former having a New York setting and the later having a fantasy setting based on historical context. Anime's problem isn't related with having the same shows because it's pretty diverse if you look close enough. I mean if all you're gonna look at is AOT and Parasyte then you're definitely gonna have a problem.
I started to watch less and less anime these past 5 years or so. Only thing I'm looking forward for this year is the new Lupin the 3rd series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pky53HwFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pky53HwFE
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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So what they're saying is that if Brian Ashcraft hasn't gotten scooped up by the cops in a pedo ring, he has at least 5 - 20 years left of employment at Gawker?
Serious post: Anime ain't going anywhere.
Serious post: Anime ain't going anywhere.
Elfforkusu
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Northeastmonk
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I tend to like older anime. Anime from the 80's and 90's. The new stuff just doesn't have that sense of excitement and storytelling. Plus the new chibi styles just aren't for me. I want an adult theme space or dark themed anime. Cross Ange is pretty good, but there's like no way to support it financially. I'd like to see it gain more respect except from die hard fans. It comes off as being too obscure or targeted at an audience. I remember meeting younger people who liked these series that I have never heard of. I like anime classics and movies. I don't get what a lot of newer fans are into.
I wonder how it will come back. I'm older now and I am strict about the movies or episodes I watch. I don't watch everything that's out there and it's not all the time. I do own a few box sets, but there in my own personal collection.
I wonder how it will come back. I'm older now and I am strict about the movies or episodes I watch. I don't watch everything that's out there and it's not all the time. I do own a few box sets, but there in my own personal collection.
Angryharlot
Banned
I am happy to see it all die if it will take out the lolishit on the way down.
I stopped watching Anime 15 or so years ago and was content to say that it is just no longer for me, without throwing a single stone at those who enjoyed that disgusting shit, then things started to bleed into video games.
You are going to see this these posts and they have a right to exist. The shit is disgusting on multiple levels and you no longer can ignore it by simply ignoring anime. The sexualized children are in games now, as well.
Rickelodeon
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Anno will release 4.0, as single frames all across the world, once everyone finds them and puts them in order and watches it as a flipbook animation, it turns out to be nothing but an animated version of him talking about how "anime is trash" for 2 hours. It is hailed as a masterpiece and will be the first anime to win an Oscar, and thus anime will end forever because there is nothing more you can do with anime.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
all the loli moé blob comments in the first page are delightfully ironic considering Hideaki Anno is a proud fan of Strike Witches
Sibersk Esto
Banned
did you just champion fucking Cross Ange as an example of good modern anime?
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
If? 3.0 was already full of it, which already had more than 2.0, which already had more than 1.0
alfredofroylan
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Uh
Anno will release 4.0, as single frames all across the world, once everyone finds them and puts them in order and watches it as a flipbook animation, it turns out to be nothing but an animated version of him talking about how "anime is trash" for 2 hours. It is hailed as a masterpiece and will be the first anime to win an Oscar, and thus anime will end forever because there is nothing more you can do with anime.
You go ahead and bitch & moan. I'm going to continue to enjoy the multitude of anime/games that have been and continue to be produced each year without any of that trash in them. It's not that hard.
Capitalistic enterprises usually only listen to criticism when it will make them money. Unfortunately that often isn't the case here.
Emperor_EL
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Anime can't die til I get another season of Black Lagoon!
There are plenty of modern dark or adult themed animes, like Psycho Pass, From The New World, Death Parade, Mushi-shi, a few that I can think of off the top of my head.
Also, did you just say Cross Ange is good in a non ironic way?!
Regulus Tera
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Anime has been niche since fucking forever, except a few exceptions like Miyazaki movies and, well, Evangelion.
If people want more action-based, manly anime, why don't they just read the manga instead of waiting for it to be animated?
Edit: And yeah. I don't really see how anime's ever been particularly popular over here aside from DBZ, Pokemon, and a few other saturday morning anime. It's definitely not as popular as it used to be, but there's never been a time they eclipsed other shows. People will generally remember Courage and Dexter rather than Tenchi Muyo and Trigun.
Edit: And yeah. I don't really see how anime's ever been particularly popular over here aside from DBZ, Pokemon, and a few other saturday morning anime. It's definitely not as popular as it used to be, but there's never been a time they eclipsed other shows. People will generally remember Courage and Dexter rather than Tenchi Muyo and Trigun.
Fixed it for you.
bearythebear
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Anime is either extremely niche or really broad.
I feel like whenever I hear a cool concept of a show, it turns out that the show is also super pervy. I don't wanna deal with that shit to get to the interesting parts of a show.
I feel like whenever I hear a cool concept of a show, it turns out that the show is also super pervy. I don't wanna deal with that shit to get to the interesting parts of a show.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Find it bizarre people are championing Anno here as some sort of anti-moe hero. Gunbuster was the king of questionably legal, definitely banned on GAF fanservice anime for more than a decade.
Anime is still great although the peak probably happened around 06/07 which were the best years anime has ever seen in my opinion. It'll be fine.
Anime is still great although the peak probably happened around 06/07 which were the best years anime has ever seen in my opinion. It'll be fine.
Sadly the amazing animes with complex themes like Shin Sekai Yori will not save anime, theres a reason why most anime now is about 4 retarded girls being cute and doing the most stupid shit (but never ever dating, gotta keep the sexual projections of the audiences)
Alas, the fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth.
Alas, the fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth.
foxuzamaki
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Mai Gawd
Ganzlinger
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On the contrary, moeblobs and loli idols are the life support keeping the industry alive. Without them, the industry would have collapsed already, though if you believe Anno's claims of a rebirth, that might've be a good thing after all.
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