Hideaki Anno predicts decline of anime in 5 to 20 years
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Kill la Kill is a difficult subject.
The show was put together masterfully. The animation, visual direction, sound direction, soundtrack, and everything were spot-on. There's amazing moments of sheer intensity.
But.
The extreme fan service that permeates it makes it somewhat inaccessible.
The Technomancer
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I don't disagree...but when you phrase it like that I'm struck by the realization that I feel like anime has been on a parallel but opposite path to my development. As I've gotten older I've become more critically appreciative of movies and television and media in general and actively sought out more thematically interesting or hell just more artistically driven media. And yet it feels harder and harder for me to find that, or at least to find it in compromised forms, when I look at anime
There is some stuff I've been putting off watching until the summer, due to various life insanities. Maybe that will change part of how I feel
Basileus777
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You just need to recapture your youth. There are some highschool anime that might help with that.
killatopak
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Light novels are the best.
I'd love to see the Anime Industry crash and burn if that means less Otaku pandering afterwards. Many Series are ruined because they need to pander to attract a new Viewership. I even feel disturbed by it in my Favorite Anime (Gurren Lagann)
If they Japanese could start to create new Series with the Western World in Mind that would be great. I am now going to use a Manga-Adaption as Example, but still: Do it like Kishimoto did it for Naruto;
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If they Japanese could start to create new Series with the Western World in Mind that would be great. I am now going to use a Manga-Adaption as Example, but still: Do it like Kishimoto did it for Naruto;
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Tizoc
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Hey Anno.
STFU and finish Eva 4.4 already I wanna watch the last of your crazy ass mecha anime.
Yeah I agree.
STFU and finish Eva 4.4 already I wanna watch the last of your crazy ass mecha anime.
Yeah I agree.
Khrysler Jerikho
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Because that worked out so well with games right?
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Fan service is the poison inside the pill. It plants salacious images of femininity in impressionable young male minds making them unable to understand or relate to real women and grooms them to go after children when the become adults as sexual predators. There have been many attempts to pass tougher laws to protect the youth but Big Anime has been funneling its blood money into the legal system for decades. It's not ironic that the life that's been getting sucked out of society is rendering the society unable to support the parasite; its the very definition of justice. I have only two words for anime:
*Bye Bitch*
Theonik
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Chicken and egg argument, prices increase as a response to people purchasing less, which in turn demands a different approach to monetisation. In the first place, the anime industry started growing in the 80s and early 90s bubbles and the Japanese economy never recovered.
Digital might work in Japan considering their aversion to buying lots of media, but Japan in general isn't utilising digital as a whole. I am not completely sure what the obstacle is, though the Japanese public mostly rents disk material and unless that changes it is unlikely you will convince people to download or rent digital.
The 'fanservice' was probably the LEAST of KLK's problems.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I am now certain you are a character poster
what the fuck are you even on
first, Games and TV Series are different Media.
second, even if they don't do this, the Industry is in a decline, so they might as well give it a shot, don't you think so?
also, i think you are misunderstanding something. when i said "with the west in mind", i'm talking about more mainstream shonen /seinen stuff, wich does have some pandering, but is not overly extreme in doing this.
Something thats marketable in the west, thats what i mean
Great animation? Lol I remember the animation for the fights being awful. The show had nothing redeeming about it. It was garbage, and people only watched the show because of it's fan service.
John Kowalski
Banned
No pure yuri for you.
Gaming has the opposite problem. Its popularity has lead to publishers alienating core fans in favor of casual players who enjoy easily digestable games with heavy marketing presence. So no, gaming's problem is most definitely not its lack of demand. I'd say its surplus of demand has killed many of its enjoyable aspects.
Shows like that already exists. Fate/Zero comes to mind. It's definitely marketable in the west. Question is if west are willing to overlook their bias and prejudices of anime in order to give it a shot.
I love Anno and somewhat agree with some of his points but this is kinda bullshit.
Increasingly more shows get made every season and anime is having a resurgence in the West(especially with Funi streaming simulcast dubs). Yes a lot of it is light novel/harem garbage but it continues to make money.
Increasingly more shows get made every season and anime is having a resurgence in the West(especially with Funi streaming simulcast dubs). Yes a lot of it is light novel/harem garbage but it continues to make money.
FriedConsole
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As somebody who isn't into anime but is old, I have seen anime popularity in America go in waves. To declare that current popularity isn't going to last points out the obvious. I still don't think anime's popularity currently is as big as it was in the late 90's.
Anime is a lot like ska in that it's popularity pops up every 5 or 6 years but will never die.
Anime is a lot like ska in that it's popularity pops up every 5 or 6 years but will never die.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I dunno about that. Things like Crunchyroll and Funimation make it pretty easy to get a huge library of stuff to watch now.
I'm aware that something like that exists. I want the Industry to go to make more Shows like that. It doesn't even need to be limited to Shonen/Seinen as my previous Post implied. Comedy, Romance, all those Genres can work if they don't actually try to target a niche audience of a Single Country
Yeah I'm getting some Capcom vibes from that post you quoted. The intention is probably in the right place but the execution could be really off.
Regulus Tera
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Reminder that Hideaki Anno directed Gunbuster.
TatteredHat
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Anime is more diverse and successful now than it has ever been, even with the moe.
lmao seriously
Why on Earth would the industry make more for an audience that isn't willing to buy said products anyways? I too want more shows about everything. It simply isn't realistic though. Anime is catered to those who are buying it, same for every medium and product. If the West wants more shows like Fate/Zero, they should also be prepared to support such productions. And currently the western market simply isn't profitable enough for the industry to make any risky moves catered specifically to the west.
Besides, there's nothing stopping you from enjoying niche productions made for a single country. It's actually quite refreshing.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Whoa! Wait just a minute here! If I said anything to offend either of you then please I'm me so we can hash it out! There is no reason to attack my existence in such a public manner
It's embarrassing me in front of my peers here. What crime have I committed that you would want to publicly shame me like this? I thought we were having a civilized discussion.Yuri is perhaps the only good form of anime. It's the closest thing to a visual expression of pure love. Yuri shows restraint where other forms of anime spluge.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
But then where are all the MANIME huh?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Yeah, I'm not sure having a niche audience is a problem that needs to be fixed. Follow the money.
pants
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John Kowalski
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Hmm... i'll reconsider what i said.
FriedConsole
Banned
I had friends into it in the late 90's and a lot of the appeal for them was the community of it back then. Trading scarce tapes and homemade dubs and subs at viewing parties was what they were into. Not sure if today's anime community has that when everyone can just watch this stuff alone instantly.
Mister0079
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gintama is amazing
bengraven
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Jex
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I don't really know how to respond to the piece, considering it's a NeoGAF thread based off a Kotaku Article based off a Eva Geeks post based off a Russian news source and I can't seem to locate a translation of said interview anywhere.
While Hideki Anno is certainly a 'anime insider' of sorts, he's hardly an accomplished business person and as such I'd take anything he said on this topic with several large helpings of salt. Again, I can't comment on his specific points because I can't find them anywhere.
If all he's saying is that, in the future, the anime industry will change then that seems to be an empty statement. Of course, there will have to be a shift in the business model of the industry to deal with the realities of modern media consumption. But that has always been the case. You don't need to be Hideki Anno to point that out.
Also, for those of you out there attacking the 'otaku' focused productions and wishing for their death - I'm pretty sure, regardless of the state of the industry, those shows aren't going anywhere. If anything, otaku/fujoshi pandering works are likely to be a part of the industry for a very long time to come because that core fanbase is the craziest and most dedicated. Hence, that is unlikely to ever change, even if the industry underwent some undefined, unspecified and unexplained transition of the sort that Anno allegedly refers to in an interview that I cannot read.
While Hideki Anno is certainly a 'anime insider' of sorts, he's hardly an accomplished business person and as such I'd take anything he said on this topic with several large helpings of salt. Again, I can't comment on his specific points because I can't find them anywhere.
If all he's saying is that, in the future, the anime industry will change then that seems to be an empty statement. Of course, there will have to be a shift in the business model of the industry to deal with the realities of modern media consumption. But that has always been the case. You don't need to be Hideki Anno to point that out.
Also, for those of you out there attacking the 'otaku' focused productions and wishing for their death - I'm pretty sure, regardless of the state of the industry, those shows aren't going anywhere. If anything, otaku/fujoshi pandering works are likely to be a part of the industry for a very long time to come because that core fanbase is the craziest and most dedicated. Hence, that is unlikely to ever change, even if the industry underwent some undefined, unspecified and unexplained transition of the sort that Anno allegedly refers to in an interview that I cannot read.
Fanservice really isn't the only thing wrong with KLK. Worst show I've watched next to one that will make people call me a crazy person.
Rynocirator
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LOL toei animation plz
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Xpike
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what kill la kill did you watch, i want some of that
Delusibeta
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1) I'm fairly sure that someone high up in the anime industry has been predicting it's doom at least once a year for the last decade, possibly two. Hell, I think Miyazaki himself predicted an otaku-induced demised in the mid-nineties.
2) To all those moping about the industry chasing only otaku, realise that said otaku are the only people interested in anime outside of a handful of IPs aimed at children (and generally speaking never get licenced for a Western release). Also note that outside of said anime for children, anime tends to be broadcast after midnight and that channels generally charge money for broadcasting slots. Hence the money grubbing.
Realistically, the only real change in the anime industry would be Netflix launching in Japan and deciding that some new anime would be a good idea. After all, it's not like they're opposed to the idea of picking up international rights (see also Knights of Sidonia).
2) To all those moping about the industry chasing only otaku, realise that said otaku are the only people interested in anime outside of a handful of IPs aimed at children (and generally speaking never get licenced for a Western release). Also note that outside of said anime for children, anime tends to be broadcast after midnight and that channels generally charge money for broadcasting slots. Hence the money grubbing.
Realistically, the only real change in the anime industry would be Netflix launching in Japan and deciding that some new anime would be a good idea. After all, it's not like they're opposed to the idea of picking up international rights (see also Knights of Sidonia).
jhmtehgamr20xx
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And plenty of mediocre anime currently on the market as well. And AOT isn't that mediocre; just disappointing they played up on the kaijuu super-giants and "chosen one prophecy" tropes so much.
Everything up to Eren coming back alive was great. Now it's entertaining in the same way Naruto Shippuden was entertaining; decent but could've been so much more. Hasn't reached that "Ninja War" breaking point though where I just have to say "nope" and bail out.
Really now? Where's the 4th wave ska, then?
So how long were you and Anime dating?
Vigilant Walrus
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It's so sad that Japan always has had a stagnant economy since the early 90s. They have never been able to recover. It's just been a endless downwards slope.
Korea might be hot right now, but won't K-Pop also have a expiration date?
Korea might be hot right now, but won't K-Pop also have a expiration date?
I don't think we'll ever see anything on the level of Cowboy Bebop or Samuri X/Rurouni Kenshin ever again. So ya guys, I agree 90s was the golden age, but there is still some intense stuff coming out regularly that isn't moe or high school slice of life if you look for it.
Claymore, Ergo Proxy, Stein's Gate, Fate/Zero, Terra Formars, Psycho Pass, Black Lagoon, Akame Ga Kill, Parasyte, and of course Attack on Titan all came out after 2005. I'm a casual anime consumer, so there's probably more. Ya some of those have the annoying harem and fan service tropes, but for me it was not front and center enough to get in the way of everything else.
The future is streaming and it has arrived. Seeing as how most of the marketable shows are available concurrently on Funimation and Crunchy Roll on most devices, even my Windows Phone, anime has never been more accessible. No more waiting for it to show up on Toonami or come out on DVD. As recently as 6 years ago, I know I was digging through torrent sites if I wanted to get caught up Bleach. I still have to do that for shows that will never get licensed here, but it is a lot easier to try shows out w/ out cluttering up my harddrive.
Claymore, Ergo Proxy, Stein's Gate, Fate/Zero, Terra Formars, Psycho Pass, Black Lagoon, Akame Ga Kill, Parasyte, and of course Attack on Titan all came out after 2005. I'm a casual anime consumer, so there's probably more. Ya some of those have the annoying harem and fan service tropes, but for me it was not front and center enough to get in the way of everything else.
The future is streaming and it has arrived. Seeing as how most of the marketable shows are available concurrently on Funimation and Crunchy Roll on most devices, even my Windows Phone, anime has never been more accessible. No more waiting for it to show up on Toonami or come out on DVD. As recently as 6 years ago, I know I was digging through torrent sites if I wanted to get caught up Bleach. I still have to do that for shows that will never get licensed here, but it is a lot easier to try shows out w/ out cluttering up my harddrive.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
I think it's more like metal: occasionally popular but has a highly devoted fanbase that keeps it alive even out of the mainstream, deceptively diverse in scope and subgenres, and commented heavily upon people who were into a few of the most common, popular groups and then think they know all about the genre as a whole and what's wrong with it.
The animation was often fairly cheap but it also had its moments.
ya gr8 animation
EvilKatarn
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I think the 'Attack on Titan was da gratest' posts are more offensive than the 'everything is moeblobbery anyway'
It's like, instead of just making it obvious you don't care at all you instead decided to watch a 5/10 show and decided that it's the best of the medium. :V
It's like, instead of just making it obvious you don't care at all you instead decided to watch a 5/10 show and decided that it's the best of the medium. :V
When Toonami/Adult Swim is your only exposure to anime, can you really blame them?
I'd rather watch Attack on Titan than have blood on my urine. But that doesn't mean it is still a good anime by any means
FriedConsole
Banned
Metal might be more apt actually. I am sure anime for some teenagers now was just like metal for me at that age in that I went all in as it was part of my identity. Helps you feel like you are part of a group. Now I rarely listen to metal just as my friends during the late 90's anime wave rarely consume any anime anymore. When you get older you don't feel like you need to wear your hobbies on your sleeve anymore because you are more comfortable as a person. I got Taylor Swift on my iPod because I no longer give a shit.
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