RenegadeXV8
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AMD has always been secretive about their GPUs right until launch, even when they're clear winners. I wouldn't read too much into it.
AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th
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AMD has always been secretive about their GPUs right until launch, even when they're clear winners. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Unless it was an intentional smokescreen. But now that 980 ti is out it would make a lot of sense for them to at least paper launch the Fiji if there is an 8gb hbm model.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Jesus.
Hoping it will be out in time for my hypothetically rig-build at year's end.
Hoping it will be out in time for my hypothetically rig-build at year's end.
fizzelopeguss
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Depends on the conference. If it's a big show (a top to bottom product launch) at the biggest gaming event of the year... Then absolutely.
ATi is being killed by nvidias advertising dollar more than anything else.
Irobot82
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Fiji die shot with goo
Even though the source is WCCFTech, I think we can safely say at least one iteration of Fiji will only have 4GB.
Even though the source is WCCFTech, I think we can safely say at least one iteration of Fiji will only have 4GB.
SuperEpicGuy
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Am I the only one who hopes AMD will wipe the floor with Nvidia this and/or with upcoming cards? There needs to be some more competition or Nvidia will become Intel and I never want that shit to happen. Damn 2500k is still as good as the newest i5 offerings.
Irobot82
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Fiji will most likely match/slightly beat Titan X but nothing major. 4GB will be limiting, if 8GB does exist, will be sweet, but none of this is very interesting. 14nm next year with HBM 2.0, GCN 2.0 vs Pascal is where the action will be at.
a secret-boss
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First card AMD then went NVDIA
I might go Green again, but I do hope AMD puts up a fight
Competition is good
Yeah, that's a pretty safe bet.
Quite honestly I hope AMD will wipe the floor so I can buy NVIDIA cards on the cheap.
Corpsepyre
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AMD is starting to feel like WCW from 1999 these days. Hoping these new cards, and HOPEFULLY timely and better driver support change things around.
TouchMyBox
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You think just because we've been at 28nm for 3.5 years that we'd be miraculously awoken from this nightmare?
ColonialRaptor
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If it is... I'll be taking a pass on this round of cards because the smaller nm cards I suspect to have some serious power.
Though, that HBM is a nice little tease.
Also, I've seen a lot of people saying that this card is low on RAM compared to the GTX980 but I think it's unfair comparison because DDR vs HBM is not something you can compare.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Next year we should be seeing a die shrink and the second generation, further improved version of HBM. We should also (hopefully) see HBM filter down to the regular cards, not just the high range stuff. I know deep in my heart that they'll never give us an insane, 100% improvement or something, but it's nice to dream.
jfoul
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I think the AMD Fiji cards are going to be special, and Nvidia knows it. Here's a snippet from the conclusion of the Tom's Hardware Geforce GTX980 ti review.
"So why not dust off our highest-of-the-high Editor’s Choice award? Call it the Fiji factor. AMD’s HBM-equipped answer to GM200, or at least what we’re expecting to contend with Nvidia’s flagship GPU, is purportedly imminent. Without knowing how it’ll affect the enthusiast graphics space, we’re reluctant to declare a victor, as much as like the GeForce GTX 980 Ti. Though that might sound unfair to the star of today’s show, rest assured, a winner will be declared soon."
I'm pretty sure they have Fiji on hand under NDA, along with most other hardware sites. We're getting close to blast off!
"So why not dust off our highest-of-the-high Editor’s Choice award? Call it the Fiji factor. AMD’s HBM-equipped answer to GM200, or at least what we’re expecting to contend with Nvidia’s flagship GPU, is purportedly imminent. Without knowing how it’ll affect the enthusiast graphics space, we’re reluctant to declare a victor, as much as like the GeForce GTX 980 Ti. Though that might sound unfair to the star of today’s show, rest assured, a winner will be declared soon."
I'm pretty sure they have Fiji on hand under NDA, along with most other hardware sites. We're getting close to blast off!
Dictator93
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Yeah, to take out the wind from under them.
Quite honestly I hope AMD will wipe the floor so I can buy NVIDIA cards on the cheap.
^ That. Unless AMD manages to prove themselves with DX12 and things like multiadapter with their APUs, I'm staying Nvidia / Intel, although AMD causing some prices drops would be nice.
Unknown Soldier
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I think the AMD Fiji cards are going to be special, and Nvidia knows it. Here's a snippet from the conclusion of the Tom's Hardware Geforce GTX980 ti review.
"So why not dust off our highest-of-the-high Editors Choice award? Call it the Fiji factor. AMDs HBM-equipped answer to GM200, or at least what were expecting to contend with Nvidias flagship GPU, is purportedly imminent. Without knowing how itll affect the enthusiast graphics space, were reluctant to declare a victor, as much as like the GeForce GTX 980 Ti. Though that might sound unfair to the star of todays show, rest assured, a winner will be declared soon."
I'm pretty sure they have Fiji on hand under NDA, along with most other hardware sites. We're getting close to blast off!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=166129747&postcount=1214
Rabid Wolverine
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AMD has only itself to blame. Leaving Nvidia the PC Graphics market almost all to itself.
Credit to Nvidia they have been doing stellar. Good drivers, game streaming, multiple shield products. AMD shifting to consoles and APU's.
Still I hope AMD release an amazing product.
Credit to Nvidia they have been doing stellar. Good drivers, game streaming, multiple shield products. AMD shifting to consoles and APU's.
Still I hope AMD release an amazing product.
dgrdsv
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I think the AMD Fiji cards are going to be special, and Nvidia knows it. Here's a snippet from the conclusion of the Tom's Hardware Geforce GTX980 ti review.
"So why not dust off our highest-of-the-high Editors Choice award? Call it the Fiji factor. AMDs HBM-equipped answer to GM200, or at least what were expecting to contend with Nvidias flagship GPU, is purportedly imminent. Without knowing how itll affect the enthusiast graphics space, were reluctant to declare a victor, as much as like the GeForce GTX 980 Ti. Though that might sound unfair to the star of todays show, rest assured, a winner will be declared soon."
I'm pretty sure they have Fiji on hand under NDA, along with most other hardware sites. We're getting close to blast off!
I don't think that any press have Fiji on hand right now. It'll be a paper launch for a reason.
jfoul
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Luckily these HBM cards are releasing now. I doubt Nvidia would have cut down a Titan X and released it @ 649.99 if the new series wasn't competitive. Whatever product gives me the best price/performance at the high end gets my money this month. I would prefer to wait until HBM2 cards, but that's going to be awhile and I need something now.
He is a game developer though, and most likely they will promote the card with their Battlefront showing at E3, just how they did with BF3/4 where they were showing off AMD cards.
General Lee
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Reviewers don't have the cards that's for sure. They only get them like a week before launch, and according to some rumors the E3 launch is just a launch for the 300 series, while Fiji launch would be out on the 24th of June.
It is pretty obvious the 980Ti is a counter for the Fiji cards. Otherwise Nvidia would never have released it so close in performance to TX that it makes it practically obsolete, only couple months after release. At the same time they pushed it down in price as much as they could so the impact of AMD releasing a faster card wouldn't look so bad. Add to that the availability of custom boards with hybrid water coolers even on the Titan X. They are doing everything they can to prepare for Fiji. This might be the first time since Ati times when Radeon will be the fastest single GPU of the generation. I'm also hopeful DX12, HBM2 and 16 nm next year will give AMD renewed competitive strength which they sorely need.
Nvidia has a lot get right next year with Pascal. They didn't design HBM, and yet they're going to make a new GPU that's going to be designed with compute (Pascal architecture is aimed at HPC unlike Maxwell) in mind on a completely new node with HBM2. That's risky business for them, and nobody knows how TSMC 16 nm will work out.
What's scary though about AMD is the lack of anything new outside Fiji. One fast card won't make the rest of the obsolete old lineup suddenly competitive again, and calling it the 300 series certainly won't help either. They need their own 970 to get back any significant market share.
It is pretty obvious the 980Ti is a counter for the Fiji cards. Otherwise Nvidia would never have released it so close in performance to TX that it makes it practically obsolete, only couple months after release. At the same time they pushed it down in price as much as they could so the impact of AMD releasing a faster card wouldn't look so bad. Add to that the availability of custom boards with hybrid water coolers even on the Titan X. They are doing everything they can to prepare for Fiji. This might be the first time since Ati times when Radeon will be the fastest single GPU of the generation. I'm also hopeful DX12, HBM2 and 16 nm next year will give AMD renewed competitive strength which they sorely need.
Nvidia has a lot get right next year with Pascal. They didn't design HBM, and yet they're going to make a new GPU that's going to be designed with compute (Pascal architecture is aimed at HPC unlike Maxwell) in mind on a completely new node with HBM2. That's risky business for them, and nobody knows how TSMC 16 nm will work out.
What's scary though about AMD is the lack of anything new outside Fiji. One fast card won't make the rest of the obsolete old lineup suddenly competitive again, and calling it the 300 series certainly won't help either. They need their own 970 to get back any significant market share.
Irobot82
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This is the part I don't get. Why can't AMD release new chips with core counts the same as Hawaii/Tahiti/ etc with the GCN 1.2 arch that the 285 has. This would have the better performance per watt, the new color compression tech, Freesync, true audio, etc. I wonder if they are just too small now to keep pushing out that much. Do they not have the capital to do it?
Dictator93
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Yeah BF4 debuted at 3K resolution and running on a 7990 if I recall.
How is it unfair? Higher bandwidth doesn't do anything for capacity. If a game uses up 6gb of ram on the 980 Ti it's not magically going to use less than 4gb on the AMD card because of HBM. Sure, any time the 4gb capacity limit isn't exceeded the card will be a monster but once that threshold is passed it's going to chug like any other card that maxes out it's ram. And don't think for a second that Nvidia won't have benchmarks showing as much if AMD doesn't have an 8gb card in the mix.
dgrdsv
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Well, the man has basically created Mantle for them so it's no wonder that he has the newest tech earlier than the rest of the industry. Press though - not at the moment.
undu
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AMD claims HBM doesn't needs as much data duplication as DDR, which is why 4 GB doesn't limit the card. Whether this is true is yet to be seen, though.
Nvidia is no stranger to HPC, with their CUDA and Tesla. Only question mark is HBM2 but I don't foresee them struggling with it in 2016.
290X is supposedly GTX970 level in price/perf and tier, maybe it's a matter of perception. That's probably why AMD is hoping their refresh of Hawaii to 390X (with some tweaks) would put it in same mention as 970 again.
Well Computex is starting later today. I assume if we don't hear anything by tonight then AMD is saving whatever they have for E3, but it would also indicate there's probably not good news coming from them. I can't imagine they'd stay silent through Computex if they have a better product priced relatively well.
I think it's been leaked by credible sources that AMD GPUs are not being shown at Computex and instead are to be revealed during E3's "PC Gaming Show". No coincidence that the show is sponsored in part by AMD.
http://www.pcgamingshow.com/
Seems almost certainly like a June 16 launch at the moment
General Lee
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I know they're not strangers to HPC. What it does mean though is they can't strip away the FP64 capabilities of their chip like they did with Maxwell. It'll cost die area and won't help them in gaming.
Papacheeks
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You do know it's not going to be one card right? It's a whole lineup revision. Which if priced correctly would undercut Nvidia at the moment for their 980GTX and 970.
If the 390x is close to 980gtx-ti or titan and they have a whole lineup it makes Nvidia look bad to have just one refresh card.
If the prices are lower and give good numbers it's on Nvidia not AMD.
The 390x is going to be a 290x with 50Mhz core increase and 8GB GDDR5. I believe that at this point the leading rumour is that the entire 300 range will consist of rebrands, with the only new GPU (Fiji) being given the moniker "Fury" to differentiate it. So it'll probably be Fury XT, or whatever, that could be priced to take out Nvidia's GM204 products.
dgrdsv
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AMD Radeon R9 Fury X will be the watercooled, HBM-based flagship card
So Fury X with water cooling and a cut down Fury with a regular air blower.
I think it's highly probable that the first gen of 16nm GPUs will see an HPC only chip from NVIDIA much like it was with the first gen of 28nm with GK110. But this time such GPU may really end up being HPC only. This will effectively split the compute and gaming chips with the latter possibly missing HPC stuff in favor of gaming performance / lower costs like it is with Maxwell right now and was with Kepler below GK110.
NV is in such a market position currently that it may afford such split.
So Fury X with water cooling and a cut down Fury with a regular air blower.
I think it's highly probable that the first gen of 16nm GPUs will see an HPC only chip from NVIDIA much like it was with the first gen of 28nm with GK110. But this time such GPU may really end up being HPC only. This will effectively split the compute and gaming chips with the latter possibly missing HPC stuff in favor of gaming performance / lower costs like it is with Maxwell right now and was with Kepler below GK110.
NV is in such a market position currently that it may afford such split.
Hope its false (wccftech) if not that would be a disaster.
opticalmace
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Hopefully we'll know tonight... though we may have to wait till E3.
I'm more interested in a 970 competitor, I guess the 390X? With any luck it'll be $299 USD.
I'm more interested in a 970 competitor, I guess the 390X? With any luck it'll be $299 USD.
Theonik
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Came out way too late. They should have thrown this against the 980, but it wasn't ready then.
amstradcpc
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They should have changed to GCN 2.0 time ago...You can´t be with the same architecture for four years. Maxwell 2 is so good/efficient compared to GCN...(GCN 1.1,1.2 or whatever, they are basically the same). This could be like R600 situation again but without changing architecture (well, at least they are testing the new HBM...).
If I'm reading past reviews correctly, when AMD shifted to GDDR5 in 2008 with the Radeon 4870, it had less RAM and performance than the rival GDDR3 GTX 280 (sometimes similar), but the 4870 was ~$300 (standard 512 MB version) compared to the $650 1GB 280. If only AMD could do that again when shifting to HBM ahead of Nvidia.
dgrdsv
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They won't do them in one go. I fully expect them to repeat a cascade of Kepler launches with Pascal on 16FF+. They'll start with a smaller gaming "GP104"/"GP106" and then move to a more complex HPC "GP100".
There are also a couple of other things to remember here.
A: 16FF+ is basically an improved 20nm node and it is highly possible that NV has several prototypes made on 20nm since previous year. They are waiting on TSMC for quite some time already so it's safe to assume that they've done a lot of work on future nodes since otherwise they would just be sitting doing nothing which is a rather unlikely scenario.
B: While this is a pure speculation on my part it may turn out that Pascal is basically Maxwell with some tweaks and HBM instead of GDDR5. This may explain why it was introduced between Maxwell and Volta - as a transitional generation with focus on HBM integration with a known and proven Maxwell architecture.
Lastly I don't think that NV gave any reason to doubt them when it comes to moving to a new production node lately. They've learned a lot since the issues they've had with 65 and 40nm. They've changed the design process and are building new architectures for watt efficiency first which means that they're unlikely to spend transistors and power on something unneeded - this was apparent in Kepler and Maxwell and I don't think that Pascal will be any different.
SolidSnakeUS
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Even so, if it costs more than the 980 Ti, AMD is kinda fucked.
God tier upgrade. I went from a 7800GT to the 4870. Card lasted me 4 years. I'll keep my fingers crossed. I don't need 980Ti performance as I only play in 1080p but even de regular 980 price is ridiculous if you ask me.