Yeah this really surprising to me and very disappointing :/
Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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Also, I said so earlier in this thread, but I am gladly paying $500 for Yu Suzuki's autograph. I will cherish the shit out of that thing. That's the type of thing I would blow money on even if it wasn't attached to Shenmue III. It's the type of collectible as a Sega super-fan that really resonates with me.
If this is abuse, then flog me all day long.
If this is abuse, then flog me all day long.
Or Scott Pilgrim?
That's besides the point though, I have mixed feelings about using kickstarter to push big company projects, its like weird reverse marketing where you pay for the privilege of evangelizing the products of giant company. That being said Shenmue feels like an exception that proves the rule. If I was a publisher there would be no bigger franchise to point to and say to fans "put your money where your mouth is"
Also eventually I think this issue of big boys in KS self corrects, so that only truly niche games go Kickstarter, even if they are owned by big companies. Once a game gets 10 or 15 million in funding watch companies start balking at the idea giving Kickstarter 10% of that money.
I believe this was fantastic. A 14 year old franchise that nobody touched (might be for a reason, Sony thought..?) gets a fantastic response from the fans. It showed that the fans not only cared, but they cared enough to fund a VERY small portion of the game.
The $2 million was obviously a condition precedent. If the $2 million was obtained (thus, the fans actually wants the game and there is a market for it), then Sony could proceed to fund a (significant?) portion of the game. I don't see what's wrong here. Sony is doing the big work in providing a platform for this forgotten franchise. If the $2 million wasn't obtained, then the game wouldn't exist because Sony wouldn't go on to fund a portion of the game as the fans wouldn't "want it".
For me it was clear as day. I can understand why some are reluctant to accept such a deal, but this was perfectly possible from a legal and business point of view IMO.
What more can the fans ask? They're getting a fantastic franchise back and it was up to them to get it back! The fans have spoken, now the inevitable agreement between Sony and the developer will come into force, with a game as a result!
The $2 million was obviously a condition precedent. If the $2 million was obtained (thus, the fans actually wants the game and there is a market for it), then Sony could proceed to fund a (significant?) portion of the game. I don't see what's wrong here. Sony is doing the big work in providing a platform for this forgotten franchise. If the $2 million wasn't obtained, then the game wouldn't exist because Sony wouldn't go on to fund a portion of the game as the fans wouldn't "want it".
For me it was clear as day. I can understand why some are reluctant to accept such a deal, but this was perfectly possible from a legal and business point of view IMO.
What more can the fans ask? They're getting a fantastic franchise back and it was up to them to get it back! The fans have spoken, now the inevitable agreement between Sony and the developer will come into force, with a game as a result!
It is disappointing, but hardly a surprise these days. Everything that is not someone's side of choice (console manufacturer, phone OS, car manufacturer etc etc ) gets a lot of hate and forum/twitter whining since it is almost free.
The only thing that is slightly odd about this arrangement is that if Sony are supporting it then why are they not publishing it at first-party on PS4 with a physical release? It's not an issue for me since I'm happy with digital but I know a lot of people still want a boxed version.
Yea, I dunno how some could say it would have been funded by Sony anyway if the KS failed.
Like If the kickstarter really failed. Then I imagined Sony would say that they tried & SEGA would straight up tell Yu Suzuki, "I told you so & To give up"
While they go ahead & pull back the Shenmue license that they lent to them and lock it away, forever with the rest of the forgotten SEGA ip's, hah.
Like If the kickstarter really failed. Then I imagined Sony would say that they tried & SEGA would straight up tell Yu Suzuki, "I told you so & To give up"
While they go ahead & pull back the Shenmue license that they lent to them and lock it away, forever with the rest of the forgotten SEGA ip's, hah.
test_account
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I wonder if Yu Suzuki will get a hand cramp hehe. Right now he has to sign 2660 copies.
I also like Kickstarter because of these things. Even if the overhead regarding profit might be very high for the higher tiers, they often offer things that wouldnt be offered through a standard release of a game.
panda-zebra
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Is that still out of the question?
I believe it is but if enough voices are heard then the situation could change I suppose.
LOL what? Where do companies find money in the first place?
Bitch Pudding
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I am not a fan of dentist visits but going there regularly ensured that I still have all of my theet.
Now this approach ensures that you get Shenmue 3. You dont have to become a fan of the approach, but you should come to peace with it.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
They said investors, so I don't think Sony is the only investor here. I also am guessing Yu is paying for this partially out of his pocket. Also Sony doesn't view PC as a threat to PS4 sales. While I'm sure Sony is going to be the biggest investor, I think they may be thinking of this as, 'charity' for fans, rather than some hot new exclusive. This is all just speculation on my part, but it is true that they said investors, they likely agree'd on some sort of contract. I would also say from previous Kickstarter contracts I know of that the contract probably includes, "We'll invest ____ amount based on the total amount made, the number of people who back, and the speed of which it completes its goals and stretch goals", that's certainly happened in the past and what I'm guessing is going on here.
Of course, the investment amount means they get a share of the final product profits agree'd upon on contract, and I'm assuming as they're funding it they may get a cut out of PC sales as well.
Must be weird to be the new vocal minority in regards to Shenmue.
Bitch Pudding
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Yes, and Uncharted 4 is also a Vita game because of remote play.
Bitch Pudding
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Phil said they couldnt do it because of SEGA owning the rights. Somehow Sony did the trick...
Besides, most Shenmue fans wouldn't complain, they would just buy an all new XBOX and play the game. Can't see why there wouldn't be the hype if MS had funded it.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I feel Microsoft just didn't want to fund it. Yu has made it clear that SEGA was never a problem for Shenmue 3 happening, and they'd give permission for him to do whatever with it as long as he (and whoever else) funded it and not them, but they wouldn't stop him from making Shenmue 3 or whatever.
boredandlazy
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Poor baby, poor poor baby.
Let's not beat around the bush here. If Microsoft had in fact done things this way and were copping heat over it, you certainly wouldn't be the last person to defend them.
Probably not. The fun part about the Kickstarter still being a source of funding is that we can now add stretch goals, right?
Sega resisted but ultimately accepted the project after the intermediation of a French company. Their president is listed as co producer in the game and they're financing a part of it apparently. Here's an interview of him:
http://m.20minutes.fr/culture/16332...ur-francais-shenmue-3-raconte-dessous-revival
MassiveNights
Banned
I don't know why people are still arguing about this.
If Sony were actually deceiving people then Gio Corsi, Adam Boyes and John Drake would not be talking about supporting it in interviews.
People can cancel their backing if they feel deceived.
The fact is that no-one really does.
If Sony were actually deceiving people then Gio Corsi, Adam Boyes and John Drake would not be talking about supporting it in interviews.
People can cancel their backing if they feel deceived.
The fact is that no-one really does.
Has anyone considered that perhaps they didn't make a big deal out of the Sony funding aspect as a way to respect Mr. Suzuki? If they brought him up there to announce the kick starter and also announced it would only get maid if people actually proved they wanted it, it would make him look like a monkey dancing for his dinner. They kept it simple and I think it was better because of it.
I don't get how anyone could be behind this project as it was presented, and then feel like they didn't want to be behind it because they found out any company was putting money into it being made as well. If Suikoden launched the same way at a MS conference and the next day they said they also where funding it, I wouldn't give a crap. Even if it was only being made for a system I don't own, I'd still help it because I love the game so much I'd want to support it and hope in the future it helped spur more games from it.
I don't get how anyone could be behind this project as it was presented, and then feel like they didn't want to be behind it because they found out any company was putting money into it being made as well. If Suikoden launched the same way at a MS conference and the next day they said they also where funding it, I wouldn't give a crap. Even if it was only being made for a system I don't own, I'd still help it because I love the game so much I'd want to support it and hope in the future it helped spur more games from it.
Windom Earle
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No, I would have bought a One in an instant as I have stated multiple times. I would have kissed Spencer's ass for this.
But... Sony took it, sorry MS!
Salty trolls.
This doesn't gel with known events, however, because Yu Suzuki was saying back as far as 2011 that Sega wasn't the problem, that they would let him make Shenmue III if he got funding.
And I honestly wish that you will find the time and will to buy the game when it releases on PC or PS4 and enjoy it. I would be sincerely happy to help this game come to reality so others could finally enjoy it along side me. Then we will discuss its qualities and why its metascore is not 100. That will be a fun thread too!
I backed it as soon as I could and I'm fine with this. It was obvious to me that the game would need extra investment in addition to the KS goal. Sony being involved means there's a greater chance of the project being completed so I couldn't be happier. This game wasn't going to happen without fan support, I'd given up hope.
UnluckyKate was gracious enough to translate it!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168598543
Make of it what you will but it's a direct interview with the man himself from a real newspaper, not a games blog. He could be trying to overstate the credit he's due, but he's a co producer as per the Kickstarter page so I doubt he'd be making this stuff up. He wouldn't go into details about the negotiation but it does say Sega refused to do the sequel and also to hand over the rights for years.
As for Yu saying SEGA wasn't the problem in the past, it makes sense. They still had the IP so if he had any hope of this happening in the future, blaming Sega publicly would have been a bad way to approach the situation.
What's important is that it's done now
test_account
XP-39C²
Fair enough, but cant you at least answer Duckroll's question regarding whats being "hidden" and how it matters now that we know? The kickstarter campaign hasnt ended afterall.
gundamkyoukai
Member
People saying they want something with , polls , tweets etc etc
Is not the same as putting down there money , how hard is that to understand .
Also are you really comparing witcher 3 to Shenmue ?
Witcher 2 sold more than Shenmue 1 and 2 combine .
Opus Angelorum
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Absolutely not. I have not defended one Xbox title that Microsoft has 'bought'.
You can check my post history boredandlazy.
Oh nice. I posted about it yesterday when they first interviewed him but they added more info today. Never made a thread cause I didn't know if it was worthy or not
To the project.
EDIT: I don't think people realize how little $2 million is. $2 million will maybe cover their cost of setting up the development studio, at most.
True. And now fans will have the game they always wanted.
It'll go to the game's budget along with the bigger funds from the producers and partners (Sony et al).
This was, the way I see it, a way to prove market interest and offer diehard fans a chance to be a part of the process and get some unique perks. After a decade of people saying "I'd pay US$500 for this!", it's nice to see that option exist, tied to signed memorabilia and exclusive goodies.
If Sony had just backed the bill entirely we'd have gotten a trailer and that's it. A pre order option would have come up in a year or two. This way, you can really engage fans in a campaign that offers them the kind of rewards a regular release just doesn't have.
Well said.
NuclearSpy
Member
I think Sony funding it is fine.
I loved the previous games like lots of other people do.
Shenmue is a great game and story, would twist knuckle again.
I loved the previous games like lots of other people do.
Shenmue is a great game and story, would twist knuckle again.
Poop!
Member
You get the game for half off.
Yeah that sounds really cool that way, gives Shenmue 3 the fair chance to be what we've been wanting for so long.
Gonna back this as well when I get home.
razgriz417
Member
Happy for fans that they are getting the sequel they've been begging for for years. Anyone who thought shenmue 3 would be made on that minuscule amount of kick starter money alone is delusional. They were just transparent in telling people they will be getting outside funding like bloodstained. If there are those that ar pie outraged, just cancel your backing, you stil have like 30 days.
Sony funded it not buy the exclusive. Like Nintendo did with Bayonetta 2. It means this game wouldn't exist without that. What exactly it's irritating?
This is pretty insane. A series that has been dead for 14 years comes back and people are complaining because the approach didn't feel right?
Shenmue fans seems to be super happy, they don't care because they get the game theyve been waiting for. I bet a lot of complainers here has never touched a Shenmue game ever.
But yeah, let's go back to the approach that didn't give us Shenmue 3 for 14 years.
Shenmue fans seems to be super happy, they don't care because they get the game theyve been waiting for. I bet a lot of complainers here has never touched a Shenmue game ever.
But yeah, let's go back to the approach that didn't give us Shenmue 3 for 14 years.
Poop!
Member
Bayonetta 2 is a bad example as it's not a multiplatform game like Shenmue.
Thornton Reed
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Close thread. Post nails it