I want to fund though and I'm happy to do it. I want a new shenmue. I just want it to be really good like the others.
Even you were pushing for outrun minigames iirc. Imagine none.
Yu Suzuki: I expect individual backers to provide the majority of funds for Shenmue
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I want to fund though and I'm happy to do it. I want a new shenmue. I just want it to be really good like the others.
Even you were pushing for outrun minigames iirc. Imagine none.
This grills me the most. Sega of all people wont fund their own fucking game. Just sell the damn thing so someone else can do it justice. Fuck sake.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Does he?
Why does he come out with that $2 million is for like the most basic Shenmue 3 ever until after the KS started?
Why come out with the $5m and $10m numbers after?
He doesn't know his budget, because obviously they don't know exactly WTF they were going to make, nor how much they'd get.
Keep in mind the dudes been working on mobile platforms of late, and hasn't lead a big budget team in over a decade. He's a legend, yes. Keep in mind this is super early, and I'm not sure why people are so offended by those with concerns.
The spirit of the site is to kick start projects and not fully fund them. That has never been the case. There are cases where the initial crowd funded money is used to generate a prototype which can be showed to other investors to finish the rest of the project.
This is the whole "facebook bought Oculus" controversy all over again.
I didn't back Shenmue for outrun minigames, nor would their omission ruin the game for me.
What made the originals "really good" was the story.
Elfforkusu
Member
He also mentioned $5m as a crucial milestone. Which is relevant because the KS should hit that mark.
e: hit edit instead of reply. oops
DidntKnowJack
Member
Who is this douche bag? Why would anyone do that?!?
Its clear to me now there's a small but concerted effort to have this kickstarter sabotaged. All due to "console warz." And what's sad its being perpetrated by so called professionals in the media. I assume that guy's in media any way. edit: He's not.
edit: see, I'm so upset I can't even type.
edit2: And he's not in game's media. At least that's something. Hopefully this guy's voice isn't that loud.
Yes, he does.
For me it was the whole experience. The story is a part of that and the main thing that needs finishing... but fucking Sony man. Where my minigames and shit.
If you want to be able to walk into an arcade and play outrun, then just go play Shenmue II.
That's the backlash that the fans were talking about and that's just a glimpse of it.
People on Gafs are naive and just saying "why are you being upset after people being upset ?"
It's not just being upset, that's the proof (a glimpse of it, who know how many they're out there beside him ??) there is a real backlash on internet and Shenmue is going through that shit storm!! Let's not leave it alone, people.
Shenmue need our support, spread the words and fight against backlash.
Why do you keep blaming fucking sony when it has nothing to do with it.
Suzuki wanted a kickstarter. Suzuki made a kickstarter only asking for 2 million when he needs 10.
If anything, if that calms your angry mind, you can blame suzuki for not having put the accurate money he needs
^ Because they pretended to be fully supporting this and went with the whole we are using kickstarter to guage interest, when it's for most of the funding.
I want new stuff though...or at least for the main game to have a similar pacing. Can't do that as well with components missing, the focus will just be on getting through the story.
I want new stuff though...or at least for the main game to have a similar pacing. Can't do that as well with components missing, the focus will just be on getting through the story.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
..and you know this, because why?
It seems that people that this notion that KS projects is funded (or should be funded) 100% through KS donations when this is often not the case. Where did people get the notion that crowdfunded project should never receive corporate funding?
Remachinate
Member
I'm not sure what your point is here. At what point were we told that backers' money was needed to produce something to convince another investor?
Elfforkusu
Member
He mentioned the $5m and $10m numbers because someone asked, and because after 30 years in the industry he in fact does know his budgets...
Essentially the argument is that Yu Suzuki has gone senile. This is not a particularly compelling argument.
I feel like the whole experience was what made the story. The story from 1, for example, is really, really bare bones, but it's the life thriving around it that fleshes it out. The people wandering, the overheard conversations, the little relationships, the properly-timed phone calls, the daily schedules, the toys and games and trinkets that make the world feel intractable and alive...
In the AMA, Yu Suzuki said he didn't want to make a book or manga, because just delivering the story wouldn't be enough, and I think it's because of all the little things that make the whole experience.
They're letting Suzuki use the IP apparently without asking for payment. Isn't that better than selling it?
I feel for you guys wanting this to be made after so long. A shame idiots like this are spreading misinformation.
https://twitter.com/greg70carroll/status/612012593322942464
Because of everything you just posted? You just said he knows what he can do with $2 million, $5 million, $10 million.
that is knowing your budget. He has this shit itemized. He may not know precisely how much he is getting, but his budget is very obviously in place. He's not, as you imagine, just saying "I have a feeling that shenmue 3 might cost like $2 million dollars, maybe."
He has a budget. That's where he came up with those figures you are throwing around.
So you want new stuff... like outrun?
Elfforkusu
Member
Definitely. You had no real leads and kept needed to get involved in other things that led you to fun distractions.
If it's just going to be about chasing the story, I'd actually prefer a graphical novel I think...
That'd be fine
Shit, put the Oh Deer PSM game in it or something else arcade like super crate box. Something you know.NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
You don't know that, he could just be tossing out numbers.
If KS has taught us anything in the past, expect things to go overbudget and have major delays.
If he thought what he wanted was $5 million that'd be the number with $10m as a stretch for a completely different game. Wait until $15m for forklifts and $20m for sailors. <--this parts a joke in case you didn't know, since people are being so ultra-serious up in here.
I feel for you guys wanting this to be made after so long. A shame idiots like this are spreading misinformation.
https://twitter.com/greg70carroll/status/612012593322942464
Wow. The last few tweets from that guy are nothin but salt about no Shenmue on xbox.
because a.) he was asked what he'd do with a bigger budget, and b.) the kickstarter is trending towards the higher figures
you're asking him to say something concrete on a number that is fluctuating minute on minute.
lmao ok, what an argument
Why not go full crazy and just say he's going to pocket the money and buy a house or something equally ridiculous?
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
You have no proof of anything though, you are concrete saying he has a budget nailed down.
I'm saying it doesn't seem that way. I have the same proof you do, none.
FranXico
Member
The only way it wouldn't backfire is if it was an Xbox exclusive.
There was a significant campaign to get Shenmue 3 released as a novel. Suffice to say, the part most Shenmue fans want is the story, the most important part. Yu Suzuki already said he can make that part with $2 million.
I am actually speaking from development experience. I make games. I've gone through funding. Do you have that behind your words?
My second meeting with my investors, after I had given them a technology pitch. What did they ask for? What did we discuss?
A project proposal (read: budget) with a payment plan and milestone deadlines.
That is literally step one of every major project.
Really?! I don't believe the game has any chance of reaching 10 million$. Maybe 6-7 million is a reasonable estimate. So let's say external funding sources would provide 5 million that is 12 million. even if it was 15 how big is this game going to be? the second shenmue cost three times at least like this! and that was 14 years ago.
here it is *gives you a chainsaw*
here it is *gives you a chainsaw*
cartoon_soldier
Member
There is a difference between just wanting something about Shenmue and then actually playing the game called Shenmue 3 and seeing it be nothing like you hoped what Shenmue 3 will be like.
I hope they get 10+ million from KS to make a proper game.
There is maybe a way, many kickstarter games let their paypal open after Kickstarter so thir projects continued to have funds.
Just look at Star Citizen, it had like 5M when it finished kickstarter, now it has 80+ Millions thanks to paypal https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
Pillars of Etenirty did the same but they never said how much they got from it.
bollocks
i think we're going to get a quality experience. especially if they add a paypal funding option once the KS is over
Kwansu Dudes
Member
I'd look at it from the perspective that 2m is what he needs to finish Shenmue 3. 5m is for a "crucial milestone" and 10m is for a full open world experience.
Also, relevant tag.
...Scatter...
Banned
The most heartbreaking part of all this? I have more funding than Yu Suzuki does at the moment.
What are you making, out of curiosity?
I was specifically referring to this comment you made.
The point of Kickstarter is to kick start project either by providing initial funding or by proving interest. In both cases it leads to real funding coming from actual investors because the money raised by kicksarter is usually not enough.
Theonik
Member
It's only a moneysink if they make games with it. Just having it and licensing it out is free money.
Also:
Basically also this. There is a chance that SEGA might have been interested in selling the IP, but I doubt even Sony would be interested in the first place. It would only make the venture more expensive. What you see a lot on those cases is that the publisher likes to get the IP for 'free' handed to them in exchange for funding, so Sony would perhaps fund this project but keep the IP for instance, think properties like R&C for example.
Or better yet, look at Bloodstained, Deep Silver was funding 9x the original target of that game, they later registered the trademark for it which suggests they got the IP as well as part of their deal.
Hey, that would be an investment of sorts, one of a kind PS4 copy of Shenmue III.
Edit:
It feels pretty shitty doesn't it?The most heartbreaking part of all this? I have more funding than Yu Suzuki does at the moment.
Time be a co-producer I guess.
A) We don't know how much "shenmue II' cost, because "shenmue II" wasn't budgeted alone. Sega funded the development of Project Berkley in it's entirety, which is what the $47 million figure is from
B) That figure includes Shenmue I's development, Shenmue II's development, along with Saturn Shenmue I and II
C) The cost of development in 1999 also included the cost of developing not just one, but two engines, and two sets of tools. This would be like if Shenmue 3's budget had to include the entire creation of Unreal Engine 4 itself.
Because some people here on Gafs do not realise how the backlash is affecting Shenmue. So I bring a proof even it's small of the tip of the iceberg (sorry for my bad english).
I've nothing personal against that guy himself, I'm trying to fight the backlash and tell people that it's real outside of GAF and that those click bait websites did made some damage that have been reporting by the backers.
I do research and development in the medical industry using virtual reality. We are producing a game with MD Anderson that will alleviate pain for chemotherapy patients using some technologies I can't speak about just yet.
JoeyJungle
Banned
The $47m figure is pretty recent, before it was quoted as something like $80m. Maybe Suzuki subtracted the cost of the other projects to get the $47m figure for Shenmue?
Wut?! so you expected Sony to tell him to fuck off and never try to fund the game unless he gets a proper budget? He had the idea and Sony offered him some funding + Media coverage and he agreed. I really can't say how is Sony wrong in the situation since they weren't the first to bring this idea and they never said they will fund it entirely from the start . It was Yu Suzuki idea and I'm pretty sure the fans would prefer a proper end to the story with a small game than nothing.
never knew that thanks
but if you look at games like GTA V and how they cost to make nowadays then Is it possible to make a AAA open world game with a reasonable number of activity and quest with a budget like what Yu Suzuki has? I don't know since I never developed a game but from the budget of AAA games nowadays it doesn't seem possible or is it?So I wasn't going to go in to this thread but seeing a few sites pop up and right out say that they should cancel the kickstarter and "let" Sony fund it...I have 2 things to say about that.
1:Sony will not fund anything unless they can assume ownership over it, see Spyro and Crash PS1 days. So it's fairly obvious that they struck a deal in some other way where they where the more lucrative choice compared to others.
2: If you "journalists" that sit and write this drivel in some way hamper this kickstarter I do hope you swallow a 1:1 replica of a pineapple so I can imagine you shitting that out. Oh and please film it for posterity.
And for those really concerned, I get it. Transparency is a good thing but we have laws against being "too" transparent, see Witcher 3*. I really do but I don't give a fuck, if Sony** would enter your homes and steal your fucking life savings to fund this. We're getting Shenmue 3. I really don't care how it happens just that it does.
* You can always check out the GAF and Reddit thread about it.
** Yeah imagine Adam Boyes sending out Gio Corsi with a cadre of enforcers to wallop you silly while they break your piggy bank and steal it's content.
PS. We're Getting Shenmue 3 guys. Suck on that!!
1:Sony will not fund anything unless they can assume ownership over it, see Spyro and Crash PS1 days. So it's fairly obvious that they struck a deal in some other way where they where the more lucrative choice compared to others.
2: If you "journalists" that sit and write this drivel in some way hamper this kickstarter I do hope you swallow a 1:1 replica of a pineapple so I can imagine you shitting that out. Oh and please film it for posterity.
And for those really concerned, I get it. Transparency is a good thing but we have laws against being "too" transparent, see Witcher 3*. I really do but I don't give a fuck, if Sony** would enter your homes and steal your fucking life savings to fund this. We're getting Shenmue 3. I really don't care how it happens just that it does.
* You can always check out the GAF and Reddit thread about it.
** Yeah imagine Adam Boyes sending out Gio Corsi with a cadre of enforcers to wallop you silly while they break your piggy bank and steal it's content.
PS. We're Getting Shenmue 3 guys. Suck on that!!
this guy is angry at sony and somehow thinks the Xbox is under attack. I don't think this is the guy we think of when we think "target audience".