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[SpideySenses]

Loved Destiny at launch but being a Brit, the DLC became a non-issue, there's no way in a million years I could justify the price despite the hundreds of hours I put in the game, they 100% priced me out of playing the game despite being addicted at one point.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

I don't get how people can claim the value just isn't there while also saying they have played the game for hundreds of hours.

How do you measure value?

By the quality and the amount of content? People have played Destiny (myself included) due to filling up experience bars, the addiction of the loot gamble, because they can play with friends and the really great base mechanics. The fact it's a shooter makes it more accessible, but the thing that keeps people playing Destiny is the same reason people play MMORPGs. Only most MMORPGs give you far more content for your money.

I really enjoy the game, but I think the content in the main game and particular that what we got with the season pass was lacking. It also doesn't help that they hype up story missions when 100% of them have been tedious shit that you'd only go through once if it wasn't for dailies.

I mean they're charging me the same amount it costed me to buy the main game for this expansion I was disappointed with the amount of content in the main game and I'll be surprised if this expansion has 25% of that; the retextured "new" enemies aren't exactly reassuring.

 

[sturgboski]

Been saying this:

I'd argue even the HoW reveal was still a misstep since they lead with "No Raid, but you'll get this other thing that we won't detail until last! Please be excited!". The fact that they're going to sit on this until Thursday just so they can have something meaningful to say in the Update shows they haven't learned much.

Honestly, I'm surprised they put Luke on the PR train. I love the dude (longtime fan of the GFWLive/1up days) but his particular personality is WAY better suited to a casual podcast type setting (like the GiantBomb interview), not a restricted PR print interview where he is MOST DEFINITELY not going to come across as intended.

Oh, so Luke's interview would have come off better if the author inserted things like (said in sarcastic tone) and things like that? People are just pissed at him and Deej (see his recent post about who cares what we think as the LE is sold out and selling for double on eBay) because we aren't getting the joke I guess.

 

[Goose_7]

The backlash that this game gets by people is so intense. I don't really see that in the game, I just play PVP a few hours a week and each time I am having a blast. And this is playing with strangers!

This isn't responding to the interview, or their pricing strategy, but the general drive-by posts that shit on the game.

I think the reason we're seeing the vitriol in this thread isn't just because of the interview or pricing strategy alone, it's pent up anger and mostly frustration in general with Bungie as a dev.

The game is so fun to play, I myself have invested close to 600 hours into this game with my friends online and I think the interview is the straw that broke the camel's back tbh.

It's frustration at the following:

Half-assed fixes by Bungie to things like the player demand for more vault space

The heavy ammo glitch went unpatched for ages

Glitches in both Crota's End and Vault of Glass that were detrimental to player experience.

Lockout of some weeklies or nightfalls if player did not own corresponding expansion pack.

Lack of raid in HOW when Bungie had to know the player base was expecting one.

Progressions system implemented in The Dark Below punished the games' most dedicated players.

All these are issues which were simmering and now they've come to a boil.

A good friend on PSN would always say after a glitch would derail us in one of the raids that the real boss/enemy wasn't Crota of Atheon but Bungie. Melodramatic for sure but rings true sometimes.

 

[Daemul]

My problem is this has been bastardised into some shit about emotes instead of you know, the tons we UK guys have to pay.

Yeah, that's my problem with this. Fuck the emotes and class items, that shit is completely useless, the huge problem is that Bungie and Activision are trying to sell this expansion for the same price as brand new fucking game. I can go and buy Arkham Knight for my XBO right now with £40 and have change left over, and yet somehow Bungie think the value proposition of the expansion is higher than even that game? Bungie GTFO with that nonsense.

 

[rezn0r]

Considering how nightfalls/dailies and other content is basically locked behind the "expansions" you ARE paying a monthly fee to play the game. If I buy the Taken King I will have spent $140 in one year. Let's not kid ourselves

I've been trying to tell people this since the first DLC. If you are ok with it, as I am, then great, but I think people (who will buy each addon) need to realize it's the same exact thing as a monthly fee.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Oh, so Luke's interview would have come off better if the author inserted things like (said in sarcastic tone) and things like that? People are just pissed at him and Deej (see his recent post about who cares what we think as the LE is sold out and selling for double on eBay) because we aren't getting the joke I guess.

I bet if it was a video interview, yeah. It probably would have come off better. Hell, the EuroGamer interviewer said as much:



I'm not really trying to defend exactly what Luke said. He should have been more mindful about how his words would come across in print and what he said in general. But I highly doubt his attitude was anywhere near the "Fuck you loyal customers hahaha!" attitude some are reading it as. Having heard this guy talk for years now, I have that context, but plenty of other people don't which is why I said it's weird they put him out there for anything other than casual podcast interviews. I can't speak for Deej though since I don't have that context for him.

 

[ReaperXL7]

I remember when expansions were like this

Or this

And I happily paid for them without question because I knew the content would justify the price tag. There was a time when the term "Expansion" Ment something and I'd love for them to make a real return but Im not confident that Bungie will deliver that from my experience with the base game. I really would love for them to prove me wrong though.

These days publishers would rather break up a big expansion and sell it to you in smaller pieces for more money over the long haul.

 

[Davis_McGee]

But I highly doubt his attitude was anywhere near the "Fuck you loyal customers hahaha!" attitude some are reading it as.

I don't know. I'm a thoroughly old school b.netter and lukems has always been this abrasive. That's why when he was community manager/PR the actual talking was always done by DeeJ, who is just as abrasive but is careful not to come across as outright offensive.

 

[GlamFM]

By the quality and the amount of content? People have played Destiny (myself included) due to filling up experience bars, the addiction of the loot gamble, because they can play with friends and the really great base mechanics. The fact it's a shooter makes it more accessible, but the thing that keeps people playing Destiny is the same reason people play MMORPGs. Only most MMORPGs give you far more content for your money.

I really enjoy the game, but I think the content in the main game and particular that what we got with the season pass was lacking. It also doesn't help that they hype up story missions when 100% of them have been tedious shit that you'd only go through once if it wasn't for dailies.

I mean they're charging me the same amount it costed me to buy the main game for this expansion I was disappointed with the amount of content in the main game and I'll be surprised if this expansion has 25% of that; the retextured "new" enemies aren't exactly reassuring.

Meh, don't know. I choose to measure value in "time" I enjoy a game and not in amount of graphics/assets/enemy types or levels, and in this regard Destiny shines.

I simply like playing destiny.

500 hrs and counting.

 

[firehawk12]

I bet if it was a video interview, yeah. It probably would have come off better. Hell, the EuroGamer interviewer said as much:



I'm not really trying to defend exactly what Luke said. He should have been more mindful about how his words would come across in print and what he said in general. But I highly doubt his attitude was anywhere near the "Fuck you loyal customers hahaha!" attitude some are reading it as. Having heard this guy talk for years now, I have that context, but plenty of other people don't which is why I said it's weird they put him out there for anything other than casual podcast interviews. I can't speak for Deej though since I don't have that context for him.

The thing is, I'm sure it was fine in the room, because if you know Luke Smith from his work, you understand that he is snarky and acerbic. But in text form, it just reads poorly. Doubly so if you don't know who he even is or appreciate that kind of needling.

If anything, I'd blame the EG guy who wrote up the article for giving the context, since it's clear that this written in a way to antagonize the readership. The fact that he's apologizing it a day after the fact doesn't help Luke, and they've already gotten the clicks off the "controversy".

 

[RadicalVelocity]

I think the reason we're seeing the vitriol in this thread isn't just because interview or pricing strategy alone, it's pent up anger and mostly frustration in general with Destiny.

The game is so fun to play, I myself have invested close go 600 hours into this game with my friends online and I think this interview is just the straw that broke the camel's back tbh.

It's frustration at the following:

Half-assed fixes by Bungie to things like the player demand for more vault space

The heavy ammo glitch went unpatched for ages

Glitches in both Crota's End and Vault of Glass that were detrimental to player experience.

Lockout of some weeklies or nightfalls if player did not own corresponding expansion pack.

Lack of raid in HOW when Bungie had go know the player base was expecting one.

All these are issues which were simmering and now they've come to a boil.

A good friend on PSN would always say after a glitch would derail us in one of the raids that the real boss/enemy wasn't Crota of Atheon but Bungie. Melodramatic for sure but rings true sometimes.

And many more issues to boot. (For me at least)

The anemic story, and dearth of cutscenes. 2 levels in halo had more than the base destiny game. The only acceptable excuse for this is development going so horribly wrong that they did the best they could. Unlike some, i think it is a better alternative to creating another militaristic story that is fleshed out, as was rumored. I like Staten, but that is absolutely not what we needed. Don't need another Halo. Mythic sci-fi/ star wars is what got me excited about destiny's setting.

The poor fleshing out of lore, except with an external app (that was clunky and unresponsive when i tried to read the grimoire last)

The encounter design of the base game seemingly developed during an amateur hour at bungie. Shows none of the finesse and incredible encounter design that really defined Halo. They have improved immensely up through HoW, and hopefully TTK continues it.

Lack of content. It's ridiculous that there are only 4 destinations of the quality in the base game. Again, only excusable by big development woes.

Pr won't allow it, but I think many of us are owed a sincere apology for all this. Hope it comes someday.

Luke.... I have immensely enjoyed Lukems since the 1up podcast, and i still remember his rant against Afrika for PS3, had me practically rolling on the floor. He probably should have known how his interview could come across, but it is what it is now.

Deej's response really crossed the line, though, after such a poor setup was created for the SKUs. Bungie, it's time to sell collector's edition content separate feom the game, as an add-on. We're moving into the digital age now. Choice is the name of the game.

I've had a day to cool off but i'm still mad.

 

[gatti-man]

I bet if it was a video interview, yeah. It probably would have come off better. Hell, the EuroGamer interviewer said as much:



I'm not really trying to defend exactly what Luke said. He should have been more mindful about how his words would come across in print and what he said in general. But I highly doubt his attitude was anywhere near the "Fuck you loyal customers hahaha!" attitude some are reading it as. Having heard this guy talk for years now, I have that context, but plenty of other people don't which is why I said it's weird they put him out there for anything other than casual podcast interviews. I can't speak for Deej though since I don't have that context for him.

The pitchforks were already out even before he started talking. No matter the attitude or terms he put it if the content of what he said is the CE is $80 and is locking out day 1 people unless they rebuy the whole game the Internet would have crushed him regardless. I'm glad personally it was Luke and not DeeJ since D already gets hell for everything he does and it shouldn't be up to him to break this kind of heat on such a shit decision by Bungie/Activision.

 

[LifEndz]

Also, reading between the lines it seems like they're going to sell those emotes as microtransactions, no?

What makes you say that? Between Luke saying it's just the three TTK skus and Deej saying we're getting something better, it doesn't sound like those emotes are coming to us unless we buy the collectors edition.

 

[Nori Chan]

I'm not a fan of most of those second perks but they are pretty good especially with the captain perks.

There's really no point in other burns besides arc, and then you have to hope for one with fallen or just captains. And then again, why use that over fatebringer?

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I don't know. I'm a thoroughly old school b.netter and lukems has always been this abrasive. That's why when he was community manager/PR the actual talking was always done by DeeJ, who is just as abrasive but is careful not to come across as outright offensive.

He has, but not in a "I'm totally ok with fleecing you" way.

The thing is, I'm sure it was fine in the room, because if you know Luke Smith from his work, you understand that he is snarky and acerbic. But in text form, it just reads poorly. Doubly so if you don't know who he even is or appreciate that kind of needling.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[codhand]

I simply like playing destiny.

500 hrs and counting.

clearly.

 

[El Sloth]

I don't feel like Luke Smith deserves all the hate he's getting here and on reddit. Anyone who's familiar with from the 1up Show and 1up Yours days knows he's always very jokey and abrasive, but in a good natured way.

Just watch this casual interview he did with the Giantbomb guys at E3 to see what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHfq7KY1JU4&feature=youtu.be&t=2h35m38s

And I've seen people saying he's shitting on the consumer when, like, that was one of the big things Luke would call companies out back in his media days. I honestly don't think he meant for things to come across that way. It reads to me like he was joking around with someone he might know. And that he was hinting that you'd be able to buy the emotes seperately some time in the future that he can't talk about yet.

I think people are too quick to bust out the pitchforks. I already see top posts on the Destiny reddit calling for him to get fired, which is ridiculous.

 

[codhand]

luke smith was that dude, that's a part of why this is so disappointing. i'm sure he is sincere, just not objective

 

[gatti-man]

I don't feel like Luke Smith deserves all the hate he's getting here and on reddit. Anyone who's familiar with from the 1up Show and 1up Yours days knows he's always very jokey and abrasive, but in a good natured way.

Just watch this casual interview he did with the Giantbomb guys at E3 to see what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHfq7KY1JU4&feature=youtu.be&t=2h35m38s

And I've seen people saying he's shitting on the consumer when, like, that was one of the big things Luke would call companies out back in his media days. I honestly don't think he meant for things to come across that way. It reads to me like he was joking around with someone he might know. And that he was hinting that you'd be able to buy the emotes seperately some time in the future that he can't talk about yet.

I think people are too quick to bust out the pitchforks. I already see top posts on the Destiny reddit calling for him to get fired, which is ridiculous.

He certainly shouldn't be fired. What he said just reflects the attitudes of Bungie and Activision as a whole. I seriously doubt he solely decided on the pricing structure of ttk.

 

[Deku Tree]

He certainly shouldn't be fired. What he said just reflects the attitudes of Bungie and Activision as a whole. I seriously doubt he solely decided on the pricing structure of ttk.

As far as I know Luke Smith's job is to make the in game activities, and specifically the Raid's, as good as possible. It is very unlikely that he had anything at all to do with the pricing structure decisions of TTK.

 

[NullPointer]

I don't feel like Luke Smith deserves all the hate he's getting here and on reddit. Anyone who's familiar with from the 1up Show and 1up Yours days knows he's always very jokey and abrasive, but in a good natured way.

Absolutely true. I can't look into the man's soul to know what he was thinking here, but I definitely agree that his off the cuff style can be easy to misread in literal form when put into text. And when he has written posts they come off very different: very precise, very much to the technical points. So yeah, I don't know if he's living in a bubble or what, but I can afford him some benefit of the doubt.

 

[gatti-man]

As far as I know Luke Smith's job is to make the in game activities, and specifically the Raid's, as good as possible. It is very unlikely that he had anything at all to do with the pricing structure decisions of TTK.

Exactly. I'm mad at BUNGIE not Luke Smith.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

I don't get how people can claim the value just isn't there while also saying they have played the game for hundreds of hours.

How do you measure value?

Because why should i pay over 50% more the same amount of 'value' as you?

 

[shone237]

lol @ all the luke defenders here. How can you justify what someone says as a corporate shill because they were "cool" 6 yrs ago? The day he started at Bungie (if not sooner, and imo the reason Bungie wanted him) his opinions became for the good of the corporation. Let's not forget that.

 

[Two Words]

I don't get how people can claim the value just isn't there while also saying they have played the game for hundreds of hours.

How do you measure value?

This is the ultimate Destiny defense.

If a person says they didn't like Destiny and stopped playing it once they finished the story and such, people claim that they barely scratched the surface of Destiny and didn't get into the real end-game.

If a person says they put hundreds of hours into Destiny and are disappointing with it, people question why the person played the game so much if they were disappointed.

 

[Lothars]

Because why should i pay over 50% more the same amount of 'value' as you?

Than don't, it sucks I get it and it should be corrected but the game is worth it to me and I can't wait to play the new expansion.

This is the ultimate Destiny defense.

If a person says they didn't like Destiny and stopped playing it once they finished the story and such, people claim that they barely scratched the surface of Destiny and didn't get into the real end-game.

If a person says they put hundreds of hours into Destiny and are disappointing with it, people question why the person played the game so much if they were disappointed.

Yes and both are correct. People are allowed to be dissapointed but I'm allowed to like the game without getting shit on to and it really seems like some people don't see that just that to them the game is shit and anyone playing it is a fanboy.

Destiny threads remind me of mass effect 3 thread's with the amount of negativity.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Than don't, it sucks I get it and it should be corrected but the game is worth it to me and I can't wait to play the new expansion.

Would you pay $63 for the expansion happily knowing your neighbor would recieve it for $40?

I mean if thats the case, why not just throw $23 dollars away everytime you buy something?

As for the above, nobody is shitting on you. I play Destiny all the time, i've maxed everything and collected nearly everything worthwhile to collect. I'm active in the OT both positively and negatively, but to sit there with the attitude of well fuck you it doesn't effect me, is bullshit.

 

[Lothars]

Would you pay $63 for the expansion happily knowing your neighbor would recieve it for $40?

I mean if thats the case, why not just throw $23 dollars away everytime you buy something?

You keep throwing that out there but this happens all the time and people complain sometimes it gets changed sometimes it doesn't even though it should. I hope they price it more in line for overseas. I can't do anything about that.

This has happened in almost every game release where the UK is more expensive than north America. It will be complained about over and over but there's nothing I can do about it.

 

[WizzNARD]

I feel like Deej's post is almost worse:

The Collector’s Edition is mostly sold out, so the people who found that stuff valuable jumped at the chance. You’ll likely see it sold on ebay for much more than what we’re asking. But that’s not the point. Right?

What is the point of that? It's basically a dig. That's in the middle of a damage control post. It's bizarre.

Look, I plan on getting TTK, did form the start. And I like Luke, since way back in his pre-Bungie days. But this is all ridiculous. The fact that they are waiting until Thursday to make any kind of response is crazy, all it's going to do is fester, and when they finally do announce whatever they are going to do (I have a feeling they don't even know/haven't gotten it approved yet) it will underwhelm.

Really, I feel a lot of it comes down to respect, and a lot of the community feel slighted. Rightfully so, given the potshot above, that again was in the middle of a post saying "Hey, everything will be ok. We'll tell you all about it in a few days". Not to mention how they won't even say what is in TTK. A "bunch" of strikes is very vague. To me a bunch is like 10+, who knows how much it is to Bungie? Maybe if they offer something for early adopters and say what all is in TTK people will take a breath and be able to judge how much value they find in it.

And despite all this I'm still excited for TTK. I really enjoy the game!

 

[Two Words]

Than don't, it sucks I get it and it should be corrected but the game is worth it to me and I can't wait to play the new expansion.
Yes and both are correct. People are allowed to be dissapointed but I'm allowed to like the game without getting shit on to and it really seems like some people don't see that just that to them the game is shit and anyone playing it is a fanboy.

Destiny threads remind me of mass effect 3 thread's with the amount of negativity.

How many people are shitting on Destiny players? Please don't let a very small minority determine the majority are saying. Attacking Destiny is not attacking the people that play Destiny.

 

[KillerSloth]

Luke came across bad but I agree, people already had their pitchforks out, Destiny gets so much hate all the time in every thread.

 

[border]

Look, I plan on getting TTK, did form the start. And I like Luke, since way back in his pre-Bungie days. But this is all ridiculous. The fact that they are waiting until Thursday to make any kind of response is crazy, all it's going to do is fester, and when they finally do announce whatever they are going to do (I have a feeling they don't even know/haven't gotten it approved yet) it will underwhelm.

As long as the Collector's Edition has any kind of exclusive content, there are going to be people whining about it anyway. Whatever they announce on Thursday won't help.

 

[gatti-man]

As long as the Collector's Edition has any kind of exclusive content, there are going to be people whining about it anyway. Whatever they announce on Thursday won't help.

I'm officially part of the problem. I've already reserved a CE. I'm still mad about it but I really enjoy destiny.

 

[Afrocious]

I'm officially part of the problem. I've already reserved a CE. I'm still mad about it but I really enjoy destiny.

Gotta stand up for what you believe in, man.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

You keep throwing that out there but this happens all the time and people complain sometimes it gets changed sometimes it doesn't even though it should. I hope they price it more in line for overseas. I can't do anything about that.

This has happened in almost every game release where the UK is more expensive than north America. It will be complained about over and over but there's nothing I can do about it.

I know you can't do anything about it. But to be so dismissive of that fact and say it isn't an issue is wrong. It may not effect you directly but it effects many of us, and it could, in the long run, be bad for all gamers.

As gamers regarldess of where we reside in the world, we should be able to look at things objectively and realise when we are getting given the shit end of the stick.

As a collective we could make a difference, but with so many people not giving a shit, because, well, it doesn't effect me.....it doesn't help anybody having that attitude.

 

[WizzNARD]

As long as the Collector's Edition has any kind of exclusive content, there are going to be people whining about it anyway. Whatever they announce on Thursday won't help.

Exactly my point. Maybe if "year 1" players or whatever we are calling it got exclusive stuff that CE people don't get, then people would be OK with it. Maybe. Me personally? Don't really care that much. I can pay my $40 and be fine with not getting the emotes, class item, etc. But I know a lot of people won't be, which is fine. At the end of the day it's silly to have exclusive loot, that's essentially behind a pay wall, in a loot game.

As always, and as many people here have pointed out, Bungie needs to stop holding their cards so close to their chests and just say what is in TTK, what year 1 folks are getting, what CE people are getting, and be done with it.

Also, they probably should adjust the pricing issues for our oversea friends too.

 

[gatti-man]

Gotta stand up for what you believe in, man.

$40 down the drain is a small price to have what I want. Yeah it's overpriced and yes it's bullshit. And I've taken stands before but like I said I really enjoy destiny so I'm going to pay regardless. I don't think highly of my actions but it is what it is. I bought a $200 scuf controller just for destiny. I really like it lol.

 

[MrGreencastle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0sAVtOt2wA

This is how Bungie is acting right now over this.

 

[Lothars]

I know you can't do anything about it. But to be so dismissive of that fact and say it isn't an issue is wrong. It may not effect you directly but it effects many of us, and it could, in the long run, be bad for all gamers.

As gamers regarldess of where we reside in the world, we should be able to look at things objectively and realise when we are getting given the shit end of the stick.

As a collective we could make a difference, but with so many people not giving a shit, because, well, it doesn't effect me.....it doesn't help anybody having that attitude.

I'm not dismissive of the fact. It's a shitty thing to occur and needs to be corrected. I've said that multiple times. Exchange rate sucks, I live in Canada and have to deal with that anytime I buy from the US or buy most games since they have went up at least 15 dollars in the last 6 months.

 

[border]

At the end of the day it's silly to have exclusive loot, that's essentially behind a pay wall, in a loot game.

Almost Every loot game does this with Collector's Editions though. Bungie already did it with vanilla Destiny.

At some point Bungie has gotta realize they are dealing with a different audience than say Diablo, and they are going to be held to a much different standard.

 

[Aztechnology]

I'm officially part of the problem. I've already reserved a CE. I'm still mad about it but I really enjoy destiny.

We're not trying to witch hunt. I feel kind of ashamed that alot of gaffers are having to say "sorry, I know I'm a problem but I purchased something I like" Am I frustrated that people are reinforcing the problem? Yea, but I'm more angry about the continued lack of transparency and I really believe that the Destiny community deserves better. In the first few months of the game I had never experienced such a disconnect from a game studio to its fans before. Granted the forums were incessant bitching, but Deej and others just made it worse like they are doing now. All the misdirection etc. The problem is its several months later and they haven't cleaned up their act at all judging by what I've seen. I was a really hard core player that felt really jilted by them, so I'm just Jaded like many others here. You guys just deserve better and it makes me angry.

 

[KillerSloth]

I'm officially part of the problem. I've already reserved a CE. I'm still mad about it but I really enjoy destiny.

That's ok man, if anyone comes at you for enjoying destiny they have issues.

 

[Lalalandia]

That's ok man, if anyone comes at you for enjoying destiny they have issues.

Yeah the DGAF thread is filled with folk who've had a frustrating time and those who love it so the sudden bout of DGAF and fan bashing is ridiculous. Hell I enjoy the damn game it's the disconnect between 'hey this feels good to play' and 'why am I playing this for the nth time' that kills me

It's the sense of disconnect from Bungie's 'hours played = enjoyment' and my and many other fans feeling that no we've been forced into literal job like playing patterns to get to the fun so our 'fun' is 20-30% of the total time played and that other 70-80% grated hard.

 

[MrGreencastle]

I'm officially part of the problem. I've already reserved a CE. I'm still mad about it but I really enjoy destiny.

You aren't the problem at all. Bungie's messaging and lack of transparency, etc, is what some are upset about - myself included. If you find value in the CE, enjoy it and buy it. Simple as that. Some of us don't, and that's fine, too.

 

[Pandy]

We're not trying to witch hunt. I feel kind of ashamed that alot of gaffers are having to say "sorry, I know I'm a problem but I purchased something I like" Am I frustrated that people are reinforcing the problem? Yea, but I'm more angry about the continued lack of transparency and I really believe that the Destiny community deserves better. In the first few months of the game I had never experienced such a disconnect from a game studio to its fans before. Granted the forums were incessant bitching, but Deej and others just made it worse like they are doing now. All the misdirection etc. The problem is its several months later and they haven't cleaned up their act at all judging by what I've seen. I was a really hard core player that felt really jilted by them, so I'm just Jaded like many others here. You guys just deserve better and it makes me angry.

Nicely put.

I'm not mad at cusomers for enjoying their game, and that shit is addictive, I know.
Every time I click on a Desting thread, I want to see the good news that will draw me back in and allow me to recommend the game with confidence to my friends. That's yet to happen, and it's a disappointment every time.

At this point, unless they throw out all the mechanics and start from fresh with Destiny 2.0, which I can't see happening, I don't think there is any chance of me playing a Bungie game until Bungie's next new IP.

 

[Ryouji Gunblade]

So fading memories of past DLC events are better than having easy access to new exclusive content we've been craving?

Thanks for deciding that for us Bungie.

 

[Orochinagis]

If they do introduce microtransactions, how do any of you know the current DLC model continues as is?

COD DLCs didnt decreased their prices so far after microtransactions were added in their base model

 

[xplicitone]

Nicely put.

I'm not mad at cusomers for enjoying their game, and that shit is addictive, I know.
Every time I click on a Desting thread, I want to see the good news that will draw me back in and allow me to recommend the game with confidence to my friends. That's yet to happen, and it's a disappointment every time.

At this point, unless they throw out all the mechanics and start from fresh with Destiny 2.0, which I can't see happening, I don't think there is any chance of me playing a Bungie game until Bungie's next new IP.

We're not trying to witch hunt. I feel kind of ashamed that alot of gaffers are having to say "sorry, I know I'm a problem but I purchased something I like" Am I frustrated that people are reinforcing the problem? Yea, but I'm more angry about the continued lack of transparency and I really believe that the Destiny community deserves better. In the first few months of the game I had never experienced such a disconnect from a game studio to its fans before. Granted the forums were incessant bitching, but Deej and others just made it worse like they are doing now. All the misdirection etc. The problem is its several months later and they haven't cleaned up their act at all judging by what I've seen. I was a really hard core player that felt really jilted by them, so I'm just Jaded like many others here. You guys just deserve better and it makes me angry.

In the end, the CE doesn't do anything worthwhile to care that much. It sucks that day 1 players can't get it without rebuying but they are offering us other free crap for being day 1. In the end, we miss out on a dance move and what not. Oh well. They made changes when HoW came out and for the most part are welcoming changes especially to people that have taken a break. Not having to relevel exotics for instance and being able to ascend your old gear. It's a great time to still get back into it or at least check it out.

 

[Deku Tree]

COD DLCs didnt decreased their prices so far after microtransactions were added in their base model

What kind of micro transactions did they put into CoD?