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Video taken from here

How the altercation begins. Looks like he's trying to get to the bar, but she won't let him in (more is shown in the YouTube video)

She raises her clenched fist and he tries to prevent her from punching him

She allegedly knees him in the groin (according to his lawyer), throws a punch with her free hand, and then he punches her in the face.

He was kicked off of the FSU football team (and charged with misdemeanor battery). Story here:

Florida State Seminoles coach Jimbo Fisher dismissed freshman quarterback De'Andre Johnson from the team Monday night, hours after the state's attorney's office released video showing Johnson punching a woman in the face last month at a Tallahassee bar.

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According to the Tallahassee Police Department incident report, the woman, an FSU student, suffered bruising near her left eye, swelling of the left cheek and upper lip, and a small cut near the bridge of her nose.

State's attorney Willie Meggs, who decided to charge Johnson after seeing video of the incident, said the woman still had a black eye when he met with her last week.

ESPN

It looks like her punch missed, but she clearly provoked the fight. You can't just throw punches at people. And it's easy for me to say that he shouldn't have hit her, but I remember the last time a punch was thrown at me....I didn't exactly laugh it off. He even tried to restrain her initially. But this is ignoring the allegation that she kneed him in the groin. If that happened then....I dunno. How far is she allowed to go? As far as I know, the woman has not been charged with anything.

I'd never hit a woman. But I've never had a punch thrown at me by a woman.

 

[udiie]

holy shit he clocked her so hard

 

[Jobbs]

Real warrior there. What a tough guy.

 

[KHarvey16]

I really don't see any point at which he needed to defend himself with violence. The punch looked to clearly be retaliatory to me.

 

[shadyspace]

Look at the difference in force between those two punches.

 

[Slayven]

Dude was at no point in danger. But he took that shit up to 11

 

[RELIGHT]

She threw a punch at him as well.

 

[Ovid]

Dude is a football player and shouldnt have swung.

 

[uncredited male]

Everybody just sat there.

 

[genjiZERO]

Jesus, why do we glorify these people as a society?

 

[royalan]

I really don't see any point at which he needed to defend himself with violence. The punch looked to clearly be retaliatory to me.

At the point in the video where he grabs her wrist, she was clearly threatening to punch him.

It doesn't even seem like he was paying any attention to her until she turns around and raises her fist.

 

[BadAss2961]

Jesus, why do we glorify these people as a society?

He got kicked off the team and is facing charges.

 

[Producer]

Was she charged with anything?

 

[KHarvey16]

At the point in the video where he grabs her wrist, she was clearly threatening to punch him.

It doesn't even seem like he was paying any attention to her until she turns around and raises her fist.

But his response is in no way proportional to the threat. He isn't in any immediate danger that would require he hurt another person to free himself or prevent serious injury. He got mad and hit her.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Jameis Winston would be proud.

 

[Lazyslob]

oh shit he cracked her. but its really her damn fault for acting like that. you dont know people and what they will do so dont go trying to act hard in front of anyone especially a big dude expecting then to not do anything

 

[demon]

After watching the video it looks like she was the one being an ass at first, but that's no justification to smack the shit out of her like that.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

keep your hands to yourself at all times

 

[Stinkles]

OP is textbook right, but sounds like the QB's lawyer.


Let's avoid my 1940s "don't hit girls reverse sexism" for a moment and cut to; why is your quarterback out drinking at a shitty bar and punching small defenseless people who don't immediately concede to his whims?


To be clear, I don't think he comitted a crime, but I do think he's a cowardly or drunk shitbag who makes poor choices.

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

Jesus, why do we glorify these people as a society?

Um, she hit him first.

Is he supposed to rub it off and sit down somewhere else in the bar, while everyone laughs at him and he got assaulted? No.

People need to stop blaming the guys in these cases all of the time, the female was clearly the aggressor and yet the guy is a piece of shit and not the female who got physical with him....wow.

 

[Cloud Strife]

But his response is in no way proportional to the threat. He isn't in any immediate danger that would require he hurt another person to free himself or prevent serious injury. He got mad and hit her.

Sometimes people aren't rational when they are struck in the face.

 

[royalan]

But his response is in no way proportional to the threat. He isn't in any immediate danger that would require he hurt another person to free himself or prevent serious injury. He got mad and hit her.

He responded to a punch. I mean, we can argue power levels (he's clearly stronger than she is), but she hit him first, and it shouldn't be argued that that's ok.

 

[aznpxdd]

The punch was definitely unnecessary. If him telling the truth of her kneeing him in the balls though...that's uncool.

 

[crisdecuba]

It looks like her punch missed, but she clearly provoked the fight. You can't just throw punches at people. And it's easy for me to say that he shouldn't have hit her, but I remember the last time a punch was thrown at me....I didn't exactly laugh it off. He even tried to restrain her initially. But this is ignoring the allegation that she kneed him in the groin. If that happened then....I dunno. How far is she allowed to go? As far as I know, the woman has not been charged with anything.

I'd never hit a woman. But I've never had a punch thrown at me by a woman.

Nah, it's not justifiable due to the difference in physical strength between the the two of them.

Also, it sounds like you're saying that you'd never hit a woman, but that perhaps you would if a woman threw a punch at you.

 

[KHarvey16]

Sometimes people aren't rational when they are struck in the face.

Irrelevant.

He responded to a punch. I mean, we can argue power levels (he's clearly stronger than she is), but she hit him first, and it shouldn't be argued that that's ok.

It shouldn't and hasn't been argued that that's ok.

 

[Starfish Hero]

Why has "defend yourself" warped into meaning trial by combat? Even if she started it that doesn't mean he should just end her. 10 times out of 10 walking away from altercations at the bar is the best decision.

 

[BadAss2961]

Jameis Winston would be proud.

Maybe if he snuck some crab legs on his way out.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Your interpretation here is just plain wrong. There's no defending this. He's edging into her at the bar, she has enough, she confronts him, he grabs her. She might have technically taken the first swing, but she's clearly being restrained by him, her punch wouldn't have done anything even if it connected, and dude just clocked her. There's no defending it. He is in the wrong. The school did the right thing in first suspending him and now dismissing him from the team.

I hope he learns from this, becomes a better man, and maybe gets a second chance somewhere else after he has matured and learns how to treat women and, really, people, but here? Dude's in the wrong.

(Disclosure: I'm a Florida State fan.)

 

[dabig2]

He definitely escalated that, even if she was doing all the threatening and swinging before. She was in no way a threat in those clips. I mean, fight or flight kicks in and dude chose to fight simply because this girl was disrespecting him, not to protect himself.

But alcohol and all that.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

OP is textbook right, but sounds like the QB's lawyer.


Let's avoid my 1940s "don't hit girls reverse sexism" for a moment and cut to; why is your quarterback out drinking at a shitty bar and punching small defenseless people who don't immediately concede to his whims?


To be clear, I don't think he comitted a crime, but I do think he's a cowardly or drunk shitbag who makes poor choices.

Pretty much. He's a quarterback, he probably outweighs her and is a fair bit stronger than her. Well, he threw away his future with a bad minute decision.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

If she did knee him in the nuts, I understand being mad about that, but he can clearly just restrain her from attacking him further without knocking her teeth in.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Irrelevant.

You expect an appropriate response from someone who is hit in the face in a loud, noisy bar?

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

Why has "defend yourself" warped into meaning trial by combat? Even if she started it that doesn't mean he should just end her. 10 times out of 10 walking away from altercations at the bar is the best decision.

The woman hit him, he hit her back, and that was the end of it. You act as if he beat the shit out of her or something, don't start no shit and it won't be no shit.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Dude should have just walked away. He had everything to lose in that situation and chose poorly.

That said, I'm sure Auburn and Louisville are already arranging cash-bag drops with his agent.

 

[crisdecuba]

oh shit he cracked her. but its really her damn fault for acting like that. you dont know people and what they will do so dont go trying to act hard in front of anyone especially a big dude expecting then to not do anything

I think they're both culpable to some extent here.

 

[Stinkles]

Um, she hit him first.

Is he supposed to rub it off and sit down somewhere else in the bar, while everyone laughs at him and he got assaulted? No.

People need to stop blaming the guys in these cases all of the time, the female was clearly the aggressor and yet the guy is a piece of shit and not the female who got physical with him....wow.

I see a lot of this these days. Perhaps you could ignore gender and look at size? He's an athlete. The other person is tiny.

But maybe the bolded part trumps that, huh?

 

[Fragamemnon]

a bunch of 19-21 year olds crowded into a bar with tons of alcohol on a hot Talllahassee night. How could such a thing ever happen?

A big, big part of staying out of trouble is not putting yourself in a place where you can cause trouble. The entire program needs to work on ensuring that dumb freshmen are helped out with some common sense.

Also one night Tenneessee St. will spontaneously erupt in fire and brimstone and the denizens on it turned into pillars of salt and it will be entirely deserved. The Strip is super disgusting even by college bar standards.

 

[Uhyve]

What is he even doing here? Looks like he's pulling himself towards the bar with great force, maybe she didn't appreciate being rubbed up against?

Anyways, this looks like a story with many shades of asshole.

 

[OctoMan]

If it was open hand I don't think he should be charged but I can't tell. Still too much force. Girl is a butch too.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Fun facts incoming.

Apparently the Tallahassee PD ended up releasing the police report after media requests. They redacted all info except basically the location of the incident and the girl's name and contact info. They stated it is standard procedure to protect the accused prior to any charges being filed.

And also the now former player has retained Jose Baez as council. The same Jose Baez that successfully defended Casey Anthony.

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

I see a lot of this these days. Perhaps you could ignore gender and look at size? He's an athlete. The other person is tiny.

But maybe the bolded part trumps that, huh?

So if the girl knew she had no chance then why the fuck did she get physical with him? So, just because I'm 6'3 and 250 pounds I can let some 5'5 140 pound guy punch me in the face because I play basketball and he's a weak hair stylist?

No, if that guy knows that I can kick his ass then he should make a better decision before hitting me, and be prepared for the counter.

 

[Einchy]

I see a lot of this these days. Perhaps you could ignore gender and look at size? He's an athlete. The other person is tiny.

But maybe the bolded part trumps that, huh?

I can't speak for him but I think what he means is that people generally think it's funny when a woman assaults a man.

[edit[

Reading his other posts, this is probably not what he meant.

 

[Brianimaniac]

I'm glad both of them got punched in the face.

 

[Jenov]

Your interpretation here is just plain wrong. There's no defending this. He's edging into her at the bar, she has enough, she confronts him, he grabs her. She might have technically taken the first swing, but she's clearly being restrained by him, her punch wouldn't have done anything even if it connected, and dude just clocked her. There's no defending it. He is in the wrong. The school did the right thing in first suspending him and now dismissing him from the team.

I hope he learns from this, becomes a better man, and maybe gets a second chance somewhere else after he has matured and learns how to treat women and, really, people, but here? Dude's in the wrong.

(Disclosure: I'm a Florida State fan.)

Agreed.

 

[Lebron]

Don't put your hands on random people.

 

[Kusagari]

Article doesn't mention that his lawyer is claiming she was also shouting racial epithets at him and that they have witnesses willing to back this up.

Adds another layer if true.

 

[Fragamemnon]

That said, I'm sure Auburn and Louisville are already arranging cash-bag drops with his agent.

Petrino and this tool by four were fucking MADE for each other.

 

[BajiBoxer]

Video taken from here

How the altercation begins. Looks like he's trying to get to the bar, but she won't let him in (more is shown in the YouTube video)

Looks more like he is kind of being an ass in how he's forcing his way in there (going by the vid before the part you're showing), he pushes her from behind (maybe accident at first due to crowd), she says something to him, then he deliberately puts his body into her the 2nd time and she really gets pissed off.

 

[MrToughPants]

So if the girl knew she had no chance then why the fuck did she get physical with him? So, just because I'm 6'3 and 250 pounds I can let some 5'5 140 pound guy punch me in the face because I play basketball and he's a weak hair stylist?

No, if that guy knows that I can kick his ass then he should make a better decision before hitting me, and be prepared for the counter.

Sir, please clam down.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Another thing. This kid is 19 years old.

Maybe Tallahassee would find it a good idea to keep the under-aged out of crowded bars.