It's almost like he forced himself into her.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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and she should get away for free in your opinion?
Okay, I'm fine with the first half, but if someone throws a punch, that's pretty much battery right there. Raising a fist is essentially assault anyways.
So, no, she's in the wrong and he's in the wrong.
lol what are you talking about? Are you saying it's like rape? for real?
FreddieQuell
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If you watch the video, she was actually pushing herself in front of him.
Miles Quaritch
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I see that after she's openly hostile towards him, puts her arm across his chest and then raises her fist as you would when you're about to punch someone.
So how does that makes him the aggressor?
I don't think the difference should matter much. She made the decision to escalate the altercation the second she raised her fist to him. He restrained her and she hit him anyway. I don't think he should be asked to not defend himself just because it's a girl attacking him.
Yes, he's bigger than her, but there are plenty of people out there bigger than me and I wouldn't expect a judge to say "well, that dude hits harder than Marrec so he should be charged".
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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No punch wouldn't have been thrown if she didn't threaten him, swing first, throw insults at him (allegedly).
If you believe that he should be arrested, then she should too for starting the altercation. A person shouldn't be deemed untouchable just because of their gender.
Grabbing someone and pushing them is assault. Holding her fist up is not.
edit. Grabbing someone is battery. Holding her fist up is indeed assault. If it is deemed a reasonable threat.
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She hit him first? If I go and pick a fight with someone bigger and stronger than me are they supposed to just take it? She was the aggressor in this situation.
For me the scenario changed when he moved from stopping her from hitting him to then hitting her. He's fully in his rights to try to prevent harm to himself by restraining her.
so restraining someone that is about to physically harm you is assault in your book and not self defense?
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She was an asshole for raising her fist but she didn't escalate it past that point. He escalated by grabbing her fist.
electroshockwave
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I don't think the level of force was warranted whatsoever but he hit her once in response to her punch. He reacted reflexively and didn't continue to hit her and as far as I can tell the situation was mostly instigated and escalated by her.
Ray Wonder
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Translation: He escalated the situation by making sure he didn't get punched in the face.
He was an asshole for grabbing her raised fist, but he didn't escalate it past that point. She escalated it by punching him in the face.
Domcorleone
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... She escalated the situation the moment she raised her first... Are we being serious here guys?
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She has her fist in the air. She isn't punching. If that's a punch it's the Guinness World Record holder for slowest punch.
It's threatening behaviour, but he clearly outmatched her and should have laughed it off and walked away. Up until the point where he grabs her fist the confrontation wasn't a physical one
She pushed him with her ellbow and raised her fist posing a threat or do you see that any other way up to that point? After that he restrained her because he doesnt want to get punched obviously but still got punched, no matter what happens afterwards you dont think this is assault?
yes and he didnt punch her after she raised her first, he restrained her to not get punched which obviously didnt work
Ray Wonder
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Walk up to a cop, yell at him, and raise your fist. Please tell me what happens.
Depends on if he's white, cop might bro-fist him.
Josh with a J
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Or anyone with a back bone really
lol
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Domcorleone
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This! I swear some of people in here have never been in a fight. Also those that are defending this woman and saying she's not also in the wrong better not be the same ones shunning gender roles. Double standards man.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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He lets you throw it and after you hit him, he attempts to walk away from the situation before it escalates.
Miles Quaritch
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So she was just going to do an innocent fist pump with her cocked arm that just coincidentally happened to be pointed towards the guys face?
There was no intention of escalating the situation on her part? He just misinterpreted what she was about to do?
That's what Spiderman does. Don't you wanna be like Spiderman?
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This isn't an altercation between a cop and a college athlete. It's one between a college athlete and a tiny drunk woman.
Shuggananas
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Yes I'm sure that's what would happen.
Threatening him with her fist is assault, hitting him with her fist is battery, I think is the legal breakdown. It changes though if the person feels if they are in danger.
For example, grabbing someone by the fist they raise at you and pushing them away I think is probably the exact right thing to do in that situation. I would bet that by every definition of the law or even just by what people feel is best practice for defending yourself while trying to de-escalate, that was the exact correct thing to do.
Turning and walking away is unreasonable, because you leave the back of your head open for a strike, and trusting someone who just threatened you with a punch to not punch you is not reasonably expected. Moving away backwards is basically impossible in his situation, what with it being so crowded and even then, walking away backwards is how you trip, and further, makes it really easy for someone to clock you. I think from what I remember, shoving a person away who assaults you is in line with proportionality and also just reasonable for your own protection.
Paracelsus
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I don't think the video is up for interpretation, it's pretty self-explanatory: one open spot to the right, spot to the left is kindaish free because the woman just got her drink but she's kinda stuck there (crowded), as the QB approaches the right spot the other woman cuts right back and immediately gets in his face a la "back off it's my turn", he ignores her and keeps going to the left spot, trying to move the other woman aside. For some reason it seems she doesn't even want him to approach the bar until she's done, at 00.13 you can even see as he's finally got his way to the left that she tries to shift her lower body (and the leg) to the left to stop him, and when she realizes it's too late she turns around and gets in his face again. You can measure the volume of his actions compared to the threat, but there's absolutely no questioning she was hostile from the first moment, so the punching motion wasn't just for show.
Miles Quaritch
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Tiny drunk woman he says.
Josh with a J
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I guarantee none of them have been in a fight. You just react, time doesn't freeze and let you think. When I get hit in the face (can only speak for myself) I'm not thinking about anything other than hurting you
It's between two college kids. The fact that she's a girl doesn't give her carte blanche to run around starting shit.
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If I was a woman I'd be offended, they're not weak, defenceless puppies.
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Of course not. But that doesn't excuse him clocking her or really putting his hands on her at all. He's an athlete and much bigger than her. He could have easily gotten out of this situation without a full force punch to the face.
"Don't hit girls" isn't some new idea. It's taught to every boy at some point. Sure it's a double standard, but I think a starting college quarterback is probably a little stronger than your average drunk college girl at a bar.
old manatee
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She look big to me
electroshockwave
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Yeah, noticed her leg or hip try to block the way at 12/13s and he just has right hand on the bad to try to get a position.
She's not that small. She's bigger than the guy to her right.
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So if I go up to the Rock and punch him in the face he has to just stand there and take it because he's an athlete and bigger than me? I'M COMING FOR YOU DWAYNE!
Ray Wonder
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Yeah, no one is saying he couldn't. We're saying why is he in the situation, and why isn't she in trouble for putting him in that situation?
Almost every fight has a point where either party could easily remove themselves from the situation and there is often little excuse for physical violence, however, she isn't absolved from responsibility for attacking him just because she's a woman.
Yes, he didn't have to hit her, but in the situation he chose to defend himself from an attacker and any judgement of that is very close to blaming the victim. She should make better choices about who she gets pissy and violent with from now on if she doesn't want to get rocked by someone bigger than her.
If your 70 year old grandma walks up to him and slaps him with her handbag would you expect him to break her jaw?
Granny was in the wrong sure, but is that a proportionate response?
I don't think anyone is claiming that the girl is an innocent party here but her actions were mild compared to a blow square on the jaw from a college athlete.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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What happens if the woman starts an altercation with a cop?
GrantDaNasty
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*shrugs shoulders* I'm not the one in charge of giving her a legal verdict. I'm saying both parties should be to blame here but anyone saying party A/party B deserves sole blame is idiotic and incredibly petty.
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So you're comparing a male and female of the same age to The Rock and a granny? How feeble do you think woman are?
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You guys want to make everything a race issue. It's fucking hilarious. So your opinion on this matter would change if the colors of everyone involved were flipped or if they were the same color? How did you feel when Snooki from Jersey Shore got labeled in a very similar manner a few years back?
My opinion was the same then as it is now. If you have that much of a physical advantage over someone, you're a fucking dick for punching them in the face over some stupid shit at a bar.
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