In scenario 5, I feel only B is at fault. A should have the right of self defense. 3 and 4 are more murky.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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In scenario 5, I feel only B is at fault. A should have the right of self defense. 3 and 4 are more murky.
Amory
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Them's the breaks. Turns out there are consequences when you do what he did.
Fuck him.
Nah, she definitely wants to start shit. I can see that now.
BronzeWolf
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Because if you can place another person in a position of having to respond violently, not all the fault is on the violent person. If I bully you into a corner and you fight your way out, I am partially responsible for the fight, even if I didn't throw a punch.
Miles Quaritch
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Eye for an eye, eh?
Explain why the woman isn't being charged with assault and isn't getting what's coming to her?
And this is point blank of what im talking about with the OT. The video show a lot more(yes it was posted) but people not saying you make judgement off the information that is presented to them.
Honestly, what the hell are you talking about?
-He physically pulled himself into the situation.
-There is nothing she could have said in the world to justify laying a hand on her.
-She wasn't bullying anyone, so I don't understand your last sentence at all.
I can come up with a few theories.
Some people just have more to lose in these situations. Need to be taught that in school.
Damn like that Fuck him. I mean was he do to you.
Dude is a college teen at the end of the day. Yes it went over board with him hitting the chick but she should have never tried to get physical. A shouting match would have been a lot better than her thinking she can hit someone and it is not a problem.
Both are in the wrong at the end of the day.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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What is the GAF-approved algorithm that measures height, weight, gender, race, size disparity, emotional disposition, proportionality of potential power, and profession that determines whether or not one should be able to defend themselves in a physical altercation?
He's trying to squeeze his way in front of her. IMO the gif makes it look like he is in the wrong (he tries to cut in front of a lady at the bar, grabs her when she objects, and punches are exchanged). but the video makes it look like they were already disagreeing a few seconds before she got to the bar.
Seems like the football team should assign somebody to these freshman to make sure they don't get into trouble like this. Its sad that one drunken mistake that was made a split second after being punched in the face could ruin this kids life.
BronzeWolf
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The video doesn't show him doing anything out of the ordinary according to the circumstances. He didn't shove, pull or push her. He didn't grab her. He brushed against her. This is normal and expected in a place like a bar.
She raised her first to him. He grabbed her. She punched him first. Those ARE obvious from the video. She DID look for a fight. If she hadn't raised her fist, I am pretty sure there would have been no fight. Was the raising of her fist warranted? In my opinion, it wasn't
Try re-reading the first part of my sentence.
I really agree with this.
She wasn't less in the wrong because she decided to start shit with someone twice her size.
Dude needed to step back though and remember what he had to lose.
Dreams-Visions
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FreddieQuell
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The video looks like she slips up to the bar just before him and then tries her hardest to make sure he can't slide by to the space right next to her.
Do you constitute "defending yourself" as "attacking another"? He could've walked away or restrained the woman. It's clear he lost his shit.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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I define 'defending oneself' as responding to an act of violence with another act of violence which is precisely what he did.
Answer the question.
Miles Quaritch
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They definitely do and I agree that it probably needs to be taught in schools or somewhere.
Crazy how she's just walking away without facing any charges.
Moff
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1. he is trying to squeeze in and pushes her away, she pushes him back with her left arm
2. he grabs her left arm, she raises her right first
3. he keeps restraining her, she hits him
4. he hits her back
no matter how you turn it around he either started it with the pushing or the grabbing
There are no answers to your question. Everyone can defend themselves, but if you know you aren't in danger you have absolutely no right to attack. They both are equally guilty of assault, the guy maybe more so since he started the shit and used more force.
He could have held her back easily and waited for a bouncer to throw her out. Then if he wanted to pursue charges against her, he could. As it is, anybody that watches this video sees that he did more much damage in an assault than she did. The capability that he has for inflicting harm is greater than her ability to inflict harm. Any court is going to side against him, or any other male in this situation.
Miles Quaritch
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Some people really do only see what they went to see.
Are you happy this thug is about to get what's coming to him?
BadMediaKarma
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Yes. If she raises her fists in my face, knee'd me in the groin and yells racial slurs at me then proceeds to hit me in the face she is getting decked no questions asked. It doesn't matter if she's a woman or a man I'm going to defend myself.
Just like as a woman it doesn't matter if I'm a man do not put your hands on anyone period and think there won't be consequences
BronzeWolf
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Does this deserve a physical threat from the girl? Not defending the guy, but really?
I am. Don't start anything and don't put your hands on a woman.
Moff
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the grabbing? definitely, that's more than just creepy touching
BronzeWolf
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How can he grab her if he is keeping both hands on the bar?
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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A person that is in a physical altercation with another adult has no way of truly knowing what their opponent is capable of. This assumption that she, exclusively because she is a woman, cannot do an appropriate amount of damage to justify a response is absurd.
That is precisely what he attempted to do and he was struck in the face so apparently it wasn't as easy as you're insinuating. The inherent social bias in court between a man and a woman (Let alone a black man and a white woman) really has no bearing or relevance on demonstrable justification in my mind.
Since you're following the same line of reasoning as others in this thread, explain it to me: what is the GAF-approved algorithm for determining whether or not a person should respond to physical violence? You're all speaking in very certain terms so I expect numbers and data to back this algorithm up.
He groped her with his hip, apparently.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Seemed like his ego was bruised rather than self defence
Lesson learned, dont out hands on anyone.
Lesson learned, dont out hands on anyone.
Miles Quaritch
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So you consider him a thug?
And it's interesting you say don't start anything, where in the video did he start something?
Perhaps you can point out the timestamp where he's the aggressor and throws the first, unprovoked punch.
You called him a thug. I think he is an asshole.
Maybe you can watch the video and note the time stamp where he lays his hand on her.
Krauser Kat
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Both of them are pretty shitty. She deserved a punch in the face as much the guy deserved a knee to the groin. I kind of wish bars were more orderly and if you are not sitting at the bar you should be able to easily tell where to stand to get a drink ordered.
Miles Quaritch
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You didn't agree that you're happy this thug is getting what's coming to him?
Do you feel I put those comfortable words that just slip off your tongue in your mouth?
Moff
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his right hand leaves the bar the moment she turns around. I didn't say he grabbed her from behind.
as I wrote above, he grabs her as soon as she turns around and pushes him away.
bigmit3737
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Yep. Especially these bars.
Miles Quaritch
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You didn't say don't start anything as a way to suggest he caused the incident or he was the primary aggressor?
Byakuya769
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Both should be charged. Not sure where she gets off starting fist fights over bar positioning. Hate people who go to extremely crowded places and then have a problem with getting touched.
He's an idiot for clocking someone half his size.
He's an idiot for clocking someone half his size.
BronzeWolf
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Please post the frame capture where you see that he is grabbing her arm.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I don't know why there's such a debate, unless there is such a lack of role models in people's lives that they don't have a reference point for what being a decent person is.
He was the primary aggressor
Now I think you used that word as a way to try and bring race into this. Completely uncalled for on your part.
I agree with most of your points, but its pretty clear that she wasn't going to do any damage after her first punch. Still, I wouldn't expect a possibly drunken 19 year old to make that determination in the heat of the moment.
I don't believe a man should hit a woman at any time. If this were Johnny Manziel I would say the same thing. She should also have charges pressed against her, BTW.
The college football world is definitely very sensitive to this issue as well now with quite a few issues in the past couple years regarding violence to women.
BadMediaKarma
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So do you believe woman can hit men anytime they please?
No one should be putting their hands on anyone.
Miles Quaritch
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So he turned around with a clenched fist and threw the first punch?
She was just there minding her own business trying to get to the bar and get some drinks?
Where do you see this?
But this is a college bar. The point is to get cheap liquor for cheap, hit on the opposite sex, and have a good time.
It is was win lose situation
He. Put. His. Hand. On. Her. First.
BadMediaKarma
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Only because she raised a fist at him. He was trying not to get punched
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