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Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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Answer my latest response to you, not a joke response from last page.
Domcorleone
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Women are as weans as 70 year old grandmas. I got it.
How isn't that insulting to women? To think of them as weak individuals who can't be relied upon to know what they are doing?
Wow...things sure have changed from when I was a kid. I was taught NEVER HIT A WOMAN. EVER. It's that simple...his life wasn't in danger and regardless of how "big" she is, the likelihood of being physically harmed by her are slim.
"Don't hit girls"...a simple yet apparently difficult thing to live up to. Wow.
"Don't hit girls"...a simple yet apparently difficult thing to live up to. Wow.
It's an analogy, not a direct comparison.
The point is that the reaction should be somewhat proportionate to the initial action and in this case it wasn't.
No. You don't. See above.
I agree assault is the threat and battery is the contact.
Icewear Vezzo
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Lmao a woman is not the same as a child. It's insulting that you would even imply so. The fuck.
old manatee
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You guys want to make everything a race issue. It's fucking hilarious. So your opinion on this matter would change if the colors of everyone involved were flipped or if they were the same color? How did you feel when Snooki from Jersey Shore got labeled in a very similar manner a few years back?
My opinion was the same then as it is now. If you have that much of a physical advantage over someone, you're a fucking dick for punching them in the face over some stupid shit at a bar.
*shrug*
I'm trying to account for the clear double standard.
"Don't hit people" is and should always be the standard. Girls aren't a special use case that require delicate handling, a lot of them could probably kick your ass.
It would be in my country anyway. Treatening someone with violence is a crime.
Yeah restraining someone that is threatening you or moving out of range - if possible - are two smart actions in that kind of situation
Exactly. This is the worst thing you could do, unless you want a glass or bottle smashed over the back of your head.
People are glossing over the fact that in these situations you can get seriously hurt, no matter what your size or physicality. Mace, glasses, bottles could all be brought into play. Allies, bf, etc could be nearby. If someone threatens and then attacks you, you will need to end the situation as quickly and reasonably as possible and then leave. Crowded bars are nightmares in these situations because you cannot just turn and run.
The "full force punch" that he delivered left a bruise but didn't knock her down. I'm pretty sure if it had been full force she would have dropped like a rock. Watch the video it horrible to see but it did the job and stopped her from attacking him and he left.
If that girl had been a guy we wouldn't be having this conversation, no matter what his power level was.
Miles Quaritch
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Does she keep trying to hit him after being restrained?
If she does, granny gets what she deserves.
These bullshit examples are hilarious though. Kids, grannies. Keep them coming.
Fourth Stooge
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I have.
Lots of people have been in "crowded bars." Lots. That's why they're "crowded." You're not a special snowflake who has a monopoly on "crowded bar" etiquette. The correct way to order a drink in a "crowded bar" is to go to where the bartender is taking drink orders, not wedging in between occupied bar stools. If that's too difficult, yell your order from behind the people on the stools and reach through to pay/take your drink. There's no reason to belly up to the bar to order a drink.
Watch the video again. He was pushing and rubbing on her from behind. Weird guys do that to women in "crowded bars." Then when she turns to see what's going on, he pushed her aside with his right forearm. That would have been a damn fine time for him to apologize.
If there had been a 6' 6" 275 pound FSU defensive end sitting at the bar, I suspect he might have been a little more careful about pushing and rubbing up against the defensive end. And I guarantee he would not have tried to push the defensive end aside with his forearm. He most likely would have politely apologized and moved away. But he was dealing with a woman, so he had no fear.
That's the problem with some guys. They don't know how to just walk away when they have a physical advantage. This guy wanted to "win" the confrontation.
I'm amused by the people who think this is an equal rights situation. It's not. This little coward would have walked away with his tail between his legs if the size differential went against him. He would not have rubbed up against a larger man. He would not have pushed a larger man to the side. The only reason this happened was because a woman was involved and he felt too comfortable with any possible escalation.
Shuggananas
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Because it's a stupid thing.
Why is it hilarious? It's illustrating a point.
But if you're the type of person who would apparently belt an old lady regardless then I can see why it's confusing you.
Miles Quaritch
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What if a cancer patient with benjamin button disease and a broken leg hits The Rock?
Otakumegane
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The punch was justified.
There may have been better solutions but he shouldn't be charged for that.
EDIT: Wait he was underaged in a bar? Well then charge him for that. Not the punch.
There may have been better solutions but he shouldn't be charged for that.
EDIT: Wait he was underaged in a bar? Well then charge him for that. Not the punch.
Ray Wonder
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Cancer patient with benjamin button disease and a broken leg gets the mother fucking people's elbow.
American Eskimo
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It is 21 to drink.
Period.
Last I checked, freshmen werent 21.
If theyre allowing children in willy nilly, they need to be shut down.
Euphoria14
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Almost sounds like you're condoning women to freely hit men if they wish since men can not do anything in return but walk away.
The real problem is why women can hit men with little or no repercussion at all.
If this was flipped and he was yapping at her and she slugged him I am sure this thread would be filled with "Good for her, he deserved it."
Icewear Vezzo
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You literally just made all of this stuff up and went on a ridiculous rant about nothing that had to do with the situation or happened. The delusion.
electroshockwave
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How about don't hit anyone and this whole thing doesn't happen. "Don't hit girls" is stupid because it ignores context, says it's okay to hit men and makes it seem like every woman is a dainty little flower.
You guys want to make everything a race issue. It's fucking hilarious. So your opinion on this matter would change if the colors of everyone involved were flipped or if they were the same color? How did you feel when Snooki from Jersey Shore got labeled in a very similar manner a few years back?
My opinion was the same then as it is now. If you have that much of a physical advantage over someone, you're a fucking dick for punching them in the face over some stupid shit at a bar.
I've never seen video of that Snooki gif but it doesn't seem equivalent at all. She's not being physically aggressive in remotely the same way as the girl in the OP. Guy in the gif is an asshole.
G-Bus
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Safe to say she wouldnt have raised a hand or done anything like that if she wasn't in the mind set that men shouldn't hit women. Maybe taking advantage of that as well.
If they were both men everyone would laugh at the guy at the bar for being an idiot.
He shouldn't have hit her like that. but thats easy to say.
I dont know the guy. Does he have a history of violence? Has he hit a women before?
I think if your going threaten or provoke any sort of physical altercation you should be prepared for retaliation.
If they were both men everyone would laugh at the guy at the bar for being an idiot.
He shouldn't have hit her like that. but thats easy to say.
I dont know the guy. Does he have a history of violence? Has he hit a women before?
I think if your going threaten or provoke any sort of physical altercation you should be prepared for retaliation.
Icewear Vezzo
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Indeed he is tough for holding back swinging right away.
If it were me I would've decked that racist piece of shit immediately after she threw the first punch and went about my day. He showed great restraint by waiting so long to retaliate.
And yes it's disgusting people defend women being able to freely hit men because they're smaller than them.
I'm not making a comment on my ability to fend off an attack from a female...I'm simply stating what I was raised to believe and no matter what my belief is in our equality, males are generally stronger, more powerful, and more capable of violence on the whole.
As for the "don't hit anyone" responses...that goes without saying, really.
SlickShoes
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Women can't freely hit men. He could walk away, call the police, say he has been assaulted. They will confiscate the security camera and see that he was indeed physically assaulted by a woman and he can press charges.
Why couldn't that have happened? because of the poor mans ego? would his friends laugh at him for getting hit by a girl? It's really hard work being a dude with all these women running about freely punching you.
Big Shirtless Ron
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-In the above gif you can clearly see her forcing her way in between him and the guy in the glasses.
-Guy in the hat says something to the woman in front of him and she makes room to the left of the aggressor, which she doesn't seem to like (you can see her twist her head to say something to him, all the while trying to force him out with her body).
-She turns and places her left forearm on his chest with her right hand cocked backed in a punching motion.
-He grabs her wrist and pushes her back into glasses guy.
-She kicks him then throws a punch (out of view, you can see someone else clawing at hat guy).
-He responds in kind (not saying I agree with this).
It's clear that she is the aggressor here.
Tangential Rant Ahead:
"Don't hit girls" is a message of toxic masculinity that creates a false dichotomy in young boys heads. It says that we can be violent against other boys but violence and women don't mix. So we run around from a very early age thinking violence is perfectly fine in specific situations and a lot of us often turn to violence to solve our problems. Now you get older and bigger and nobody has ever told you "don't hit people" it's always "don't hit girls".
Maybe you even become a football player. Someone whose job (or future job) it is is to get physically violent with other people. You're encouraged to by your family and coach and friends and support network.
Then some jackass bows up to you at the bar and you dutifully restrain yourself because "don't hit girls" but she punches you in the face...
Are we AT ALL surprised by the outcome? "don't hit girls" is a product of machismo that needs to go by the wayside, replaced with "don't hit people". Lets stop encouraging violence against other boys.
"Don't hit girls" is a message of toxic masculinity that creates a false dichotomy in young boys heads. It says that we can be violent against other boys but violence and women don't mix. So we run around from a very early age thinking violence is perfectly fine in specific situations and a lot of us often turn to violence to solve our problems. Now you get older and bigger and nobody has ever told you "don't hit people" it's always "don't hit girls".
Maybe you even become a football player. Someone whose job (or future job) it is is to get physically violent with other people. You're encouraged to by your family and coach and friends and support network.
Then some jackass bows up to you at the bar and you dutifully restrain yourself because "don't hit girls" but she punches you in the face...
Are we AT ALL surprised by the outcome? "don't hit girls" is a product of machismo that needs to go by the wayside, replaced with "don't hit people". Lets stop encouraging violence against other boys.
Earthstrike
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Some things that might be worth considering:
What did the QB know of the women's relative physical strength and her capacity to do damage? More importantly, why is everyone assuming she is harmless. She actually looks pretty big, and being willing to resort to violence so quickly over nothing may indicate she has fighting experience.
Everyone says proportional response but how do you determine what that is when you don't know what the aggressor's actual physical ability is? Should people be forced to err on the side of underestimating the strength of someone assaulting them? If anything overestimation is better as it mitigates damage to the person who is being assaulted.
There's a possibility this was a proportional response. I mean, It's not like she went into a coma or anything, and intuitively, I can see a weaker blow not alleviating the situation.
What did the QB know of the women's relative physical strength and her capacity to do damage? More importantly, why is everyone assuming she is harmless. She actually looks pretty big, and being willing to resort to violence so quickly over nothing may indicate she has fighting experience.
Everyone says proportional response but how do you determine what that is when you don't know what the aggressor's actual physical ability is? Should people be forced to err on the side of underestimating the strength of someone assaulting them? If anything overestimation is better as it mitigates damage to the person who is being assaulted.
There's a possibility this was a proportional response. I mean, It's not like she went into a coma or anything, and intuitively, I can see a weaker blow not alleviating the situation.
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TIL you can be as aggressive or violent as you wish as long as you have a vagina.
It's the video that got him, otherwise Tallahassee PD would have swept this under the rug.
Cow Mengde
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Now everyone will laugh at him for assaulting a woman.
Miles Quaritch
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Because they are bullshit.
You're coming across as someone who is trying their damnedest to absolve her of any responsibility and paint her as some meek little girl who can't ever hope to defend herself going up against a monstrous athlete.
I'd even go so far as to say it paints a very interesting picture of how you view women, but I won't "go there"...
You're talking a lot of baseless nonsense. I've been to plenty of bars and if its as crowded as this one is, youre usually brushing past someone before you get to order.
Its a public bar and the woman choose to sit at the serving counter while it was crowded. Heaven forbid somebody touches her while trying to order something, I know. But if she does happened to get touched, she shouldn't threaten people with violent gestures. She also shouldn't throw a punch if she couldn't take what was coming back but to her credit she seemed to take it on the chin without much more than a flinch.
Lord Morairty007
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He shouldn't be drinking anyway. He is underage.
I've read a few pages of this thread and this accusatory shaming that you and others keep trying to pull is entirely disingenuous. It looks pretty clear cut in the camera:
1. QB tries to get to bar, but is blocked by woman. He tries to nudge in a bit which prompts woman to turn around.
2. They have words and woman raises fist threatening possible violence. QB grabs her hand to prevent her from possibly hitting him. There is some pushing going on.
3. Woman attempts to hit QB and in response to getting assaulted, QB punches woman.
Regardless of how you feel about a man hitting a woman etc., when this inevitably goes to court, it's going to be put as basically as this. Looks open and shut to me. Just have to see what comes of it.
Miles Quaritch
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People's fist followed by Rock Bottom and then the people's elbow.
Got to entertain the spectators.
Shuggananas
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-In the above gif you can clearly see her forcing her way in between him and the guy in the glasses.
-Guy in the hat says something to the woman in front of him and she makes room to the left of the aggressor, which she doesn't seem to like (you can see her twist her head to say something to him, all the while trying to force him out with her body).
-She turns and places her left forearm on his chest with her right hand cocked backed in a punching motion.
-He grabs her wrist and pushes her back into glasses guy.
-She kicks him then throws a punch (out of view, you can see someone else clawing at hat guy).
-He responds in kind (not saying I agree with this).
It's clear that she is the aggressor here.
but clearly he was groping her with his magical back-arm the whole time !
Euphoria14
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Or maybe she should have not started the altercation. I like that one better.
I have not hit a woman in my life and very likely never will, but I am a firm believer that if you are going to be all tough and try to hit someone don't go crying foul when the hit comes back at you.
That chick is a dumpy clothes rag. But you do not hit girls. Ever. Unless they have a knife or something. They are literally as much threat as a child. Is it OK to hit children if they hit you first?
Dude was the starting quarterback on a scholarship. He has way more responsibility to not get in trouble than some random guy in a bar.
That said he's owned up to it well and I hope he gets a second chance somewhere.
Women are children now?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
You literally just wrote an entire fiction of this guys life to justify this punch?
Also I'm pretty sure kids get told not to fight other kids unless it's completely unavoidable.
I prefaced it as a tangential rant, not about this guy.
Also, bullshit. Boys get told to stand up for themselves and fight back against bullies and "don't hit girls" (the implication that hitting boys is okay) and get called pussies for backing down.
AllIsOneIsNone
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This post is how political correctness collapses in on itself.
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