Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Comic-Con Trailer

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Totobeni said:
Can the Kryptonite be created by World Engine when they used it in Man of Steel? (since Supes pod arrived alone and there was nothing green in the phantom zone)World Engine supposed to change Earth into a planet just like Krypton, so my guess is the Kryptonite with Lex is from the ocean where Superman destroyed the World Engine.
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Quite possibly, but when watching again I noticed that after escaping the phantom zone, a bunch of krypton rocks get pulled through the hyper space jump zods ship makes.

They'll prob get a CGI Richard Pryor to detect some though.
 
SCULLIBUNDO said:
He's just kind of a Bimbo in these films. There's nothing going on up there. He needs other people to tell him what to do for him to have any direction.
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god damn i hope he improves in this new movie. i fear that's the same reason snyder picked gadot because she looks the part (to him) and that's about it. i hope wonder woman and superman aren't just action figures in this movie. batman for some reason i'm ignoring here, because affleck has somehow already sold me. but we'll see.

honestly what you said about cavill reminds me of hemsworth as thor. yeah he really looks like thor but he's the weakest part of the avengers. dude's just going through the motions as the character.
 
Discotheque said:
is anybody a bit worried how cavill has no dialogue in this trailer either?

he was a fucking robot in man of steel. the only time i actually saw him act was when pa kent flew away. it's way too early to base judgement off of such early promotions though but man i really hope he doesn't come off as such a non-entity again.

lmao @ that face he makes when ma kent is talking to him. it's like he smelled a really bad fart.
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I think with a competent writer attached to this movie, we will see Clark and Superman talk way more than the 4 lines he had in Man of Steel. It is still weird to this day how he barely talked in his movie. Man of Steel does feel rough around the edges story, pacing and dialogue wise, but I am sure this movie will be much better in all those areas.
 
(don't know if posted yet) Pretty funny mind blowing thing found on twitter xD

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Discotheque said:
is anybody a bit worried how cavill has no dialogue in this trailer either?

he was a fucking robot in man of steel. the only time i actually saw him act was when pa kent flew away. it's way too early to base judgement off of such early promotions though but man i really hope he doesn't come off as such a non-entity again.

lmao @ that face he makes when ma kent is talking to him. it's like he smelled a really bad fart.
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Pretty sure that Cavill is the guy talking about batman being a vigilante and a one man reign of terror.
 
Dead said:
Goyer's script wasn't great but his characterization of Jonathan Kent is one of the best things he did. His philosophy is not only reinforced by the sequel but by the stupidly high amount of audiences who can't seem to understand what is shown on screen to them.

Nolan should have at the very least done a pass on the script if he was gonna stick his name on the movie. He's not a good writer but he at least would have had the good sense to remove stuff like the "he's hot" line.
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Nolan is not a good writer? :D
 
Discotheque said:
god damn i hope he improves in this new movie. i fear that's the same reason snyder picked gadot because she looks the part (to him) and that's about it. i hope wonder woman and superman aren't just action figures in this movie. batman for some reason i'm ignoring here, because affleck has somehow already sold me. but we'll see.

honestly what you said about cavill reminds me of hemsworth as thor. yeah he really looks like thor but he's the weakest part of the avengers. dude's just going through the motions as the character.
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I'd be a lot more worried about Gadot than Cavill, I think Cavill has it in him but the directing is failing him.
 
subconsciously drawing MCU only fans to the movie :P.

Discotheque said:
is anybody a bit worried how cavill has no dialogue in this trailer either?

he was a fucking robot in man of steel. the only time i actually saw him act was when pa kent flew away. it's way too early to base judgement off of such early promotions though but man i really hope he doesn't come off as such a non-entity again.

lmao @ that face he makes when ma kent is talking to him. it's like he smelled a really bad fart.
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Not really, Ben doesn't either. They probably say perfectly reasonable things and that's not what WB is trying to show right now. They're trying to push Superman hates Batman & Batman hates Superman. They're intentionally cutting it to make it look like this is the central plot of the movie. The heat vision that Batman grapples out of is not something Clark would do.
 
I wonder what drove supes to strike to kill a...um..mere human. The hell he was thinking? Thought he was supposed to be full of regret after taking a life?
 
The more I think about the premise of this film, the more at odds it seems to the end of MoS.

Pa Kent let himself die because the world was not ready to learn about an alien in their midst (Clark says this himself) But at the end of MoS the narrative suggests now is the right time, to take on Zod and save the world. The final few clips show the world in a new status quou, but a very upbeat one. Superman was revealed, and he saved the world, job done.

B v S is now showing the world wasn't ready for Superman, so much so he's having to answer for Metropolis and is being picketed. So what was the point of not saving Pa Kent and waiting to reveal himself if the outcome was the same? B v S is hopefully going to be great, but it doesn't retroactively make MoS any better.
 
Discotheque said:
honestly what you said about cavill reminds me of hemsworth as thor. yeah he really looks like thor but he's the weakest part of the avengers. dude's just going through the motions as the character.
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Nah, I agree he's the weakest part but at least Hamsworth nails that line delivery. Dude has a great commanding, Thor voice. And at least he had some solid personality in Thor 1.
 
Glass said:
The more I think about the premise of this film, the more at odds it seems to the end of MoS.

Pa Kent let himself die because the world was not ready to learn about an alien in their midst (Clark says this himself) But at the end of MoS the narrative suggests now is the right time, to take on Zod and save the world. The final few clips show the world in a new status quou, but a very upbeat one.

B v S is now showing the world wasn't ready for Superman, so much so he's having to answer for Metropolis and is being picketed. So what was the point of not saving Pa Kent and waiting to reveal himself if the outcome was the same? B v S is hopefully going to be great, but it doesn't retroactively make MoS any better.
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I don't think that's how it worked

It was more like Superman was forced to emerge from the dark to protect his home. And even then he wasn't completely trusted, why the government had satellites tracking him at the end of the movie.

The Daily Planet bit is a weird one because does end a bit more upbeat but for Clark.
 
Glass said:
The more I think about the premise of this film, the more at odds it seems to the end of MoS.

Pa Kent let himself die because the world was not ready to learn about an alien in their midst (Clark says this himself) But at the end of MoS the narrative suggests now is the right time, to take on Zod and save the world. The final few clips show the world in a new status quou, but a very upbeat one. Superman was revealed, and he saved the world, job done.

B v S is now showing the world wasn't ready for Superman, so much so he's having to answer for Metropolis and is being picketed. So what was the point of not saving Pa Kent and waiting to reveal himself if the outcome was the same? B v S is hopefully going to be great, but it doesn't retroactively make MoS any better.
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I think its more he didn't have choice, he gets the suit and the beacon brings Zod to earth. Basically, humans acclimatise to an alien invading species before ever seeing Superman, so to stand up and fight he thus exposes himself to the world. I think this film is more just dealing with the aftermath of those events.
 
Glass said:
The more I think about the premise of this film, the more at odds it seems to the end of MoS.

Pa Kent let himself die because the world was not ready to learn about an alien in their midst (Clark says this himself) But at the end of MoS the narrative suggests now is the right time, to take on Zod and save the world. The final few clips show the world in a new status quou, but a very upbeat one. Superman was revealed, and he saved the world, job done.

B v S is now showing the world wasn't ready for Superman, so much so he's having to answer for Metropolis and is being picketed. So what was the point of not saving Pa Kent and waiting to reveal himself if the outcome was the same? B v S is hopefully going to be great, but it doesn't retroactively make MoS any better.
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Your first mistake was trying to make sense out of Pa Kent's suicide-by-tornado.

foxtrot3d said:
Argo didn't deserve an Academy Award, let's be honest. The only reason it did was because Ben Affleck directed the film and they felt they owned him something after "The Town" turned out to be good.
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Plus it was a "Hollywood helped save the day!" story.

I can barely remember anything from Argo. Not even going to go into how misguided, in general, it is to judge someone's talent by Academy Awards.
 
Glass said:
The more I think about the premise of this film, the more at odds it seems to the end of MoS.

Pa Kent let himself die because the world was not ready to learn about an alien in their midst (Clark says this himself) But at the end of MoS the narrative suggests now is the right time, to take on Zod and save the world. The final few clips show the world in a new status quou, but a very upbeat one. Superman was revealed, and he saved the world, job done.

B v S is now showing the world wasn't ready for Superman, so much so he's having to answer for Metropolis and is being picketed. So what was the point of not saving Pa Kent and waiting to reveal himself if the outcome was the same? B v S is hopefully going to be great, but it doesn't retroactively make MoS any better.
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The world wasn't ready for Superman. Pa' Kent was right.
It's not like in the Donner film where he starts to do "good", small things, as he begins revealing himself to the world. And I mean small in comparison to MoS. Haven't seen the Donner film in a few years, but I believe the first time anyone sees Supes is when he saves Lois in the helicopter.

In MoS he's force to reveal himself due to an alien invasion. The world gets to be bullied by Kryptonians way before they get to know who Superman is and on which side he stands by.

There are some that see him as a savior, others see him as a threat to humanity...an outsider.
 
Good Good, media are in for a surprise

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/comic-con-star-wars-force-awakens-batman-superman

The Comic-Con trailer is impressively mounted and resoundingly loud, but what it doesn’t appear to be is confident in its own product. By showcasing so much of the action close to a year before the full feature opens in cinemas, the promo does a disservice to fans by simply giving too much away.

The approach recalls the one taken by Sony months ahead of the release of The Amazing Spider-Man 2. The studio was criticized for revealing too much in their teases and trailers for the sequel to Marc Webb’s reboot of the popular franchise. The footage led a fan to splice together a 25-minute cut of the movie, ahead of its release, that was cut entirely from promotional material for the blockbuster.

Given how Warner Bros has taken to the marketing for Batman v Superman, it’s only a matter of time before this film gets a similar treatment from a savvy fan.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...comic-con-trailer-still-has-lots-of-problems/

The idea of Batman and Superman waging war on one another strikes me as the sort of plot that works a lot better in a comic book or TV show than on the silver screen. I’m still having a hard time buying it—or, rather, buying that it can work very well in a two and a half hour time slot. I think a reasonable concern is that the story, twist, and resolution will all be rushed. I also worry that it will be too dark and gritty; that the Justice League and Superman are supposed to be a little brighter, more colorful.

Perhaps even more worrisome to me is the villain. I have a really, really hard time accepting Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Maybe it’s my own fault here, but I’ve seen Eisenberg in enough things and he very rarely strays from playing himself. And the “himself” in question isn’t exactly how I picture Luthor, even young origin-story Lex Luthor. I’m dubious, to say the least.

I like Jeremy Irons more as Alfred, though all things Batman feel ‘too soon’ to some degree. Christian Bale and Michael Caine were doing this just the other day.
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Glass said:
The more I think about the premise of this film, the more at odds it seems to the end of MoS.

Pa Kent let himself die because the world was not ready to learn about an alien in their midst (Clark says this himself) But at the end of MoS the narrative suggests now is the right time, to take on Zod and save the world. The final few clips show the world in a new status quou, but a very upbeat one. Superman was revealed, and he saved the world, job done.

B v S is now showing the world wasn't ready for Superman, so much so he's having to answer for Metropolis and is being picketed. So what was the point of not saving Pa Kent and waiting to reveal himself if the outcome was the same? B v S is hopefully going to be great, but it doesn't retroactively make MoS any better.
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Jonathan was right in every sense. The distinguishing factors are that at the time of his death, 1. Clark hadn't met Jor-El yet; 2. Clark couldn't fly yet. Jonathan and Clark have no idea if his people are coming back for him and will judge humanity accordingly.

After meeting Jor and with flight, Clark can decide how to help on his own terms, but that option is taken away by Zod's ultimatum.

Jor and flight mean that Superman can cope with the reaction, not that the reaction was positive universally. Additionally, one must not paint humanity with a broad and racist brush, as if we can have one and only one opinion. It's stupid to generalize like that. The end of MOS with the General's concerns and very first teaser proved a mixed reaction but you're turning off your brain and pretending a pure happy ending and now pure hate.

As always, it was mixed but now with coping tools and information.
 
Altazor said:
The Dark Knight Returns!
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Yea this is definitely an homage to it.

Especially the older Batman picking up the costume again to go at Superman and .. The Joker? It looks like.

He mentions 20 years later in there... which I think is roughly the timeline of Frank Miller's comics?
 
QuantumZebra said:
Yea this is definitely an homage to it.

Especially the older Batman picking up the costume again to go at Superman and .. The Joker? It looks like.

He mentions 20 years later in there... which I think is roughly the timeline of Frank Miller's comics?
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Miller Batman in The Dark Knight Returns is 55, but he looks older to me than that. Batfleck looks like early 40s.
 
Argh it's driving me nuts that Guardians' article

1)8.5 months doesn't equal nearly a month out

2)It's the same time-table as Star Wars, and no one complained were giving too much away or had no confidence in the movie.

3)It's just seems like sour grapes
 
Given how lukewarm I was on MoS, I'm hesitant on this, but agree that the media reaction is pretty ridiculous.

The trailer confirms that Batman and Superman are going to fight and Wonder Woman will be involved in some way. Huge spoilers!!!

If anything, I love that the trailer quickly covers Batman's motivations.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Given how lukewarm I was on MoS, I'm hesitant on this, but agree that the media reaction is pretty ridiculous.

The trailer confirms that Batman and Superman are going to fight and Wonder Woman will be involved in some way. Huge spoilers!!!

If anything, I love that the trailer quickly covers Batman's motivations.
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Pack it in, no point in watching the movie now.
 
Penguin said:
Argh it's driving me nuts that Guardians' article

1)8.5 months doesn't equal nearly a month out

2)It's the same time-table as Star Wars, and no one complained were giving too much away or had no confidence in the movie.

3)It's just seems like sour grapes
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I think BvS has a lot to prove in the eyes of most critics. MoS wasn't just divisive among gaffers, it reviewed very poorly as well. I think this is what's causing critics to expect it to fail as a film. Much like Ant-Man, it's got an uphill battle to win critics over.
 
And I think the Guardian piece has a point. Because MPAA only lets you have like 4 trailers a year that are longer than 2:30, it usually reveals a lot about which movies studios are working extra hard to sell to audiences—I remember Avatar getting a pretty tepid reaction to the 2 minute teaser, which led to Fox pulling out all the stops with a 3 minute mega trailer that basically spoiled the entire movie (but also did a way better job of selling the product.) It's not really a bad thing or a good thing.

Having said that, 2:30 is already too long for most trailers... 3:30 is usually overkill.
 
The biggest issue I have with these responses to the trailer is that it may lead to less awesome trailers in the future. We as fans were BEGGING to see a trailer like this. If this leads to Snyder changing his trailer style I will be furious.
 
guek said:
I think BvS has a lot to prove in the eyes of most critics. MoS wasn't just divisive among gaffers, it reviewed very poorly as well. I think this is what's causing critics to expect it to fail as a film. Much like Ant-Man, it's got an uphill battle to win critics over.
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I get that.. to a degree, I think it's silly

But that's not even what the Guardian article was arguing. Claiming that Warner has no confidence because showing footage from the film this far out.

It's a flawed thesis if you look at most major summer blockbusters of the past few years. A lot of them start their campaign at SDCC the year before.
 
Penguin said:
I get that.. to a degree, I think it's silly

But that's not even what the Guardian article was arguing. Claiming that Warner has no confidence because showing footage from the film this far out.

It's a flawed thesis if you look at most major summer blockbusters of the past few years. A lot of them start their campaign at SDCC the year before.
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I don't think it's a question of whether Warner has confidence in the product, I think it's a question of whether Warner has confidence in Snyder. But, more than anything, it just boils down to WB really needing this to be a megahit so they can finally get their own movie universe of the ground. It's pretty obvious they're trying to do in one film what Marvel did in five—for better or worse—in establishing and kickstarting that universe, so that means the stakes are very high for this film.
 
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