darkhunger
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But
the mid credit scene resolved that though... Not to mention I don't understand how having an overprotective father is a "disservice to a character". Unless you're suggesting that she should have forced her way into the suit.
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orthodoxy1095
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I agree that I think the
mid-credits scene was a nice resolution. I wanted more from her character, and I think that saved her for me.
Mighty Chin
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Clearly
Colonel Nasty
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What a bummer if this isn't bigger. I'd really like a sequel.
sol_bad
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Unceremoniously?
He was given 4 or 5 extra years to work on it. They reworked Phase 1 scripts so that Wright could work on his version of Ant-Man, they originally wanted Ant-Man in the first Avengers movie but they removed him FOR EDGAR WRIGHT. Unceremoniously would have been Feige saying "Nah, we'll find another director, sorry Mr Wright" 5 years ago.
The MCU changed a lot between those 5 years. Wright is obviously used to working on his own with his own films and wasn't ready to compromise with a big company.
Much like Ava DuVernay turned down Black Panther, Edgar Wright should have saddled up and realised his usual independent ways weren't going to work with Marvel. Especially with how the MCU had grown and the company having a road map for where they wanted the films to go.
Edgar Wright is a great director and I love all his films (Shaun of the Dead hasn't aged well) but it's time to let this whole thing rest.
JigglesBunny
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Do you have a problem?
I conveyed my complaints in the same way people conveyed their praise. We're allowed to different opinions and if you enjoyed it, I'm happy for you.
As a big fan of the MCU, this was a let down for me.
No need to be snarky because you feel otherwise.
SkullHydra
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I just got out of my less than half full theater
, and I thought it was awesome! Not GotG or Winter Soldier tier, but a dang good movie.
I really hope some positive word of mouth spreads quickly though...
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I really hope some positive word of mouth spreads quickly though...
Pros
Cons
Overall, I'd give Ant-Man an 8/10 for now. Maybe after a second viewing & giving the film a month to set in my mind that could change, but for now I enjoyed it. As for my MCU Ranking....
Cream of the Crop: Guardians, Winter Soldier (both are tied), Iron Man 1, Avengers 1, Ant-Man
Pretty Damn Good: Age of Ultron, Captain America 1, Iron Man 3, Thor 1
Could Be Better: The Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, Iron Man 2.
For what it's worth, my theater was packed, so the positive word-of-mouth actually got out there in time.
- The humor. I laughed out loud more than I did for even Guardians. I guess that's what happens when you keep Edgar Wright's trademark humor.
- Tying into the humor, Luis was a much better character than I expected him to be. The ads made him come off as annoying, but his character works exceptionally well in the actual movie.
- I really got a kick out of the flashbacks,
but I wish we got to see more of Janet (loved her old outfit, as well as the new one despite it being unfinished). The CGI on Michael Douglas as a middle-aged man was amazing, I couldn't even tell it was CGI. Plus it was nice to see Peggy & Older Howard again.
- They actually got me to care about the ants,
I actually shouted "NO!" when Antony got shot.
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The Falcon bit was actually well-done, & it served as a great trial by fire for Scott.
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I honestly got a major kick out of the Spider-Man reference.
- The dramatic moments were pretty well-done overall, though it didn't hit as hard as the humor (nor did I expect it to, but the dramatic scenes got the job done).
Cons
- Yellowjacket seemed a bit two-dimensional. Then again, Marvel isn't generally the best when it comes to villains (with a few exceptions). Though I'm usually a bit more forgiving about first movie villains since the first movie is normally more about establishing the hero.
- There were a few pacing issues early on in the movie, but they leveled out in the second half of the film. This will likely be more apparent in my second viewing.
- I wish Hope was given more to do (since she did great in what she did do),
though the mid-credits scene is pretty much gonna grant my wish in future films.
- Not necessarily a con, but while I did like the dramatic moments overall, I felt like they were better balanced in Guardians.
Overall, I'd give Ant-Man an 8/10 for now. Maybe after a second viewing & giving the film a month to set in my mind that could change, but for now I enjoyed it. As for my MCU Ranking....
Cream of the Crop: Guardians, Winter Soldier (both are tied), Iron Man 1, Avengers 1, Ant-Man
Pretty Damn Good: Age of Ultron, Captain America 1, Iron Man 3, Thor 1
Could Be Better: The Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, Iron Man 2.
For what it's worth, my theater was packed, so the positive word-of-mouth actually got out there in time.
I feel like that's something that they're gonna address in Phase 3, especially with Thanos (he better be good with how long he's been set up).
Callibretto
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If you're only planned for a 1 movie villain, Marvel don't care about you.
They have decent ideas for a number of their villains yet they don't spend any time or serious energy to really delve into their psyches.
I mean the concept of Yellowjacket in how he tied in thematically to the film was really good yet they don't do anywhere near enough with it and some of his scenes are almost forcibly moustache-twirling in how they're handled.
sti4thewin
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Great movie. Paul Rudd was fucking awesome. Definitely up there with GotG and avengers.
Great end to phase 3
Great end to phase 3
Space Avocat
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They did a great job of
building her up as this brilliant and tough female. It obviously raised the question, and the movie was keenly aware of it, why she wasn't the one to pull off the heist. In the end, I didn't find the overprotective dad a satisfactory resolution. The fact that he never told her the truth about her mom was almost patronizing, like he didn't trust his smart and tough daughter to understand. Not trusting her to carry out the mission again was also weak. It would have made more sense and been far cooler for Pym to say, "I trust my daughter for this mission; she's prepared her whole life for this; she's brilliant with her control of the ants. I'm going to swallow my fears and let her do this if she thinks she is capable because there is literally no one more qualified and the stakes are immense." I don't think Pym's over-protectiveness would have worked if Hope was a man, and so I don't think it was defensible for him to treat her the way he did just because she wasn't. Plus, Hope playing Cross-spy was already pretty risky.
Again, I really liked the movie, but that aspect of Hope's story was a weak spot for me.
I did appreciate the mid-credits scene. But, it just makes you wonder, why did it take Pym so long to realize. We could have had the Wasp in this movie and it would have been glorious, instead of waiting for the next one.
Yellowjacket's right arm was the first thing to go.
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DrForester
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I expected little from this film, and walked away entertained. Not Marvels Best, but one of their good ones. While it needs to sit in,. I'd put this probably right near the first Ironman film. Jokes mostly worked, and the characters were likeable.
Also, between the espionage thriller of Captain America 2 and this movie being a heist film, I commend Disney/Marvel for playing a bit with expectations going into these films.
My only 2 negatives:
-The opening scene in the past. I don't know who the actors were in that scene, but they were awful.
-The villain kind of sucked. While he had a little better set up than most Marvel Villains, the actor was hamming it up more than I would have liked.
Also, between the espionage thriller of Captain America 2 and this movie being a heist film, I commend Disney/Marvel for playing a bit with expectations going into these films.
My only 2 negatives:
-The opening scene in the past. I don't know who the actors were in that scene, but they were awful.
-The villain kind of sucked. While he had a little better set up than most Marvel Villains, the actor was hamming it up more than I would have liked.
EYEL1NER
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Just got back from a 9PM showing at a drive-in located an hour and a half away. It was good and I liked it a lot. I love Michael Pena in most everything he has done and thought he was funny. I didn't know that
was supposed to be in it, so the appearance of
caught me by surprise. I thought the
fight scene was pretty cool. I was surprised by the end at how little of fighting there seemed to be overall but I guess it was an origins story mixed with a heist movie, so that explains a bit of that away. And I am one of those "the character has to be EXACTLY the same as the comic character or the movie sucks" types, but I actually know nothing about Scott Lang, so I had no disappointment on that front.
Overall I thought it was good, better than Age of Ultron which I saw two weekends back. If there had been a bit more traditional heist-movie-style stuff, it would have pushed it over the edge into 'fantastic' territory. But yeah, pretty solid.
Anthony Mackie
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Overall I thought it was good, better than Age of Ultron which I saw two weekends back. If there had been a bit more traditional heist-movie-style stuff, it would have pushed it over the edge into 'fantastic' territory. But yeah, pretty solid.
Mighty Chin
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I'm constantly baffled by people's criticism of one off Villains.
We can't all be Parallax here or Blackout, Scarecrow, Jigsaw, Nuclear Man.
I don't think you really want an in depth character study of the Villain, you just want them having cool scenes like Joker in TDK. Cool scenes seem to be all you care about. Even Peter(see what I did there) gets praised from DOFP because he has a cool scene, his character is far from recognizable, but cool scene so yay Character Developement!!!
Why can't a Villain just be be a greedy prick who wants what he wants? What's his motivation you cry!!! Doesn't matter if he's got a cool scene.
Jeez I hope they never tackle the Wrecking Crew, Dudes just want to get paid.
We can't all be Parallax here or Blackout, Scarecrow, Jigsaw, Nuclear Man.
I don't think you really want an in depth character study of the Villain, you just want them having cool scenes like Joker in TDK. Cool scenes seem to be all you care about. Even Peter(see what I did there) gets praised from DOFP because he has a cool scene, his character is far from recognizable, but cool scene so yay Character Developement!!!
Why can't a Villain just be be a greedy prick who wants what he wants? What's his motivation you cry!!! Doesn't matter if he's got a cool scene.
Jeez I hope they never tackle the Wrecking Crew, Dudes just want to get paid.
DrForester
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I wasn't disappointed so much by the villain as the actor playing the villain hamming it up.
And considering he was a regular in House of Cards and his character in that series was a fan favorite, Marvel didn't give him much to work with
So yeah, despite saying earlier I wouldn't see it until Monday, I saw it tonight anyways (I'm gonna be drained coming out of work Monday morning).
It's a lot smaller-scale compared to recent Marvel outings (the movie takes a dig at AoU) it was nice to see a focus with these characters be a little more personal and the motivations being such as well. Rudd being Lang is a dream come true, and I was afraid Lily was going to be angry the whole time but that thankfully wasn't the case. Saw it with a decent audience, but everyone was enjoying it all the way through the after-credits sequence.
The movie was a great surprise after hearing everything with the production involving Wright and after seeing Terminatyr Genisys last in theaters. It's up there with Iron Man for me.
It's a lot smaller-scale compared to recent Marvel outings (the movie takes a dig at AoU) it was nice to see a focus with these characters be a little more personal and the motivations being such as well. Rudd being Lang is a dream come true, and I was afraid Lily was going to be angry the whole time but that thankfully wasn't the case. Saw it with a decent audience, but everyone was enjoying it all the way through the after-credits sequence.
The movie was a great surprise after hearing everything with the production involving Wright and after seeing Terminatyr Genisys last in theaters. It's up there with Iron Man for me.
orthodoxy1095
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Done with my shower, and I've had a few minutes to finally sit down and mull this movie over. I'd like to sit on it some more, but I'll still share some thoughts.
Pros:
+ Rudd seems like he was the perfect casting.
+ The comedy didn't feel as well worn as I was fearing. 12 movies into this Cinematic Universe, and the movies still make me laugh and smile.
+ Crazy Michael Douglas CGI
+ Cassie Lang might be the most heartwarming thing the MCU has ever popped out. Although,
+ Action feels unique and different.
+ Character dynamics were on point. For goodness sake's, they managed to make a training montage fun.
+ We got "save the world" drama, but without needing the scale of other MCU movies.
Cons:
- The villain is just terribly boring.
- The pacing felt oddly inconsistent at times.
- The drama of the final shrinking sequence
Meh:
+/-:
+/-: Evangeline Lilly's character Hope felt like she should be in on more action. However, the
Overall, I really enjoyed myself. As I noted, the comedy didn't feel worn. I guess that was largely due to Wright's influence, and I think that's what the MCU needs. I've said before that I think Marvel shouldn't shy away from darker stuff like Daredevil on the big screen, but for marketing purposes, that probably won't happen. In that case, to keep the "comedy" style, they need to expand on the base here and add more diverse directing and humor styles. Also as as noted, the character dynamics felt real good. I usually hate those training montage type things and I rolled my eyes when it started. But it was really fun. Probably at least in part of a result of it not being your average, every-day movie training montage.
I wanted Evangeline Lilly in on more scenes, but given that this is really a movie about establishing Paul Rudd's Ant-Man, I get why we didn't get it. That's fine. Just follow through on that
I can't wait to see Marvel embrace more B-tier (lesser known) characters like this. Part of what mad Ant-Man feel so fun to me was how different the action felt. It wasn't just punch and repeat. We got the shrinking mechanics which felt nicely fresh. In that regard, I want to see more from Marvel. Give us more unique characters with unusual and crazy powers that will lend themselves to more unique action.
My theater was pleasantly full. It wasn't bulging like when I went to see Ultron or Winter Soldier, but it was certainly pretty full
I think I'd place this easily in my top 5 among Guardians, Winter Soldier, Iron Man and Avengers (either one, kind of tied for me).
Pros:
+ Rudd seems like he was the perfect casting.
+ The comedy didn't feel as well worn as I was fearing. 12 movies into this Cinematic Universe, and the movies still make me laugh and smile.
+ Crazy Michael Douglas CGI
+ Cassie Lang might be the most heartwarming thing the MCU has ever popped out. Although,
I still want to throw the kid into a time-machine and get Stature.
+ Character dynamics were on point. For goodness sake's, they managed to make a training montage fun.
+ We got "save the world" drama, but without needing the scale of other MCU movies.
Cons:
- The villain is just terribly boring.
- The pacing felt oddly inconsistent at times.
- The drama of the final shrinking sequence
where Rudd goes sub-atomic just wasn't there for me. I was hoping for a Wasp appearance or something about her, but that scene ended up not feeling as full as I would expect it to.
Meh:
+/-:
Falcon's appearance was both enjoyable and yet at the same time seemed like trying to get us to think about Civil War too much. It felt kind of awkward to me when you have Falcon there at the Avenger's facility and then never see any of the other characters.
mid-credits scene satisfied me.
Overall, I really enjoyed myself. As I noted, the comedy didn't feel worn. I guess that was largely due to Wright's influence, and I think that's what the MCU needs. I've said before that I think Marvel shouldn't shy away from darker stuff like Daredevil on the big screen, but for marketing purposes, that probably won't happen. In that case, to keep the "comedy" style, they need to expand on the base here and add more diverse directing and humor styles. Also as as noted, the character dynamics felt real good. I usually hate those training montage type things and I rolled my eyes when it started. But it was really fun. Probably at least in part of a result of it not being your average, every-day movie training montage.
We've got ants, controlling them, jumping through keyholes, etc.
mid-credits scene and we'll be good.
I can't wait to see Marvel embrace more B-tier (lesser known) characters like this. Part of what mad Ant-Man feel so fun to me was how different the action felt. It wasn't just punch and repeat. We got the shrinking mechanics which felt nicely fresh. In that regard, I want to see more from Marvel. Give us more unique characters with unusual and crazy powers that will lend themselves to more unique action.
My theater was pleasantly full. It wasn't bulging like when I went to see Ultron or Winter Soldier, but it was certainly pretty full
I think I'd place this easily in my top 5 among Guardians, Winter Soldier, Iron Man and Avengers (either one, kind of tied for me).
Spinning Plates
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Is there a decent amount of action in this? I ask because I want to know whether it would be worth seeing in D-BOX?
Jurassic World was great and I don't think it can get any better than Mad Max in that particular format.
Jurassic World was great and I don't think it can get any better than Mad Max in that particular format.
Zen_Arcade
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I loved it. I didn't expect the villain to be great because Ant-Man doesn't have any great villains besides Ultron anyway. The back story and interactions between Pym/Lang/Hope were all great.
Ant-Man was one of the first super heroes I started reading when I got into comics so I just wanted a movie that did right by the character, and I think they really did.
Douglas did a great job with Pym, Rudd was a perfect Lang. They made the ants not seem completely goofy and actually useful. The sense of scale was great. The humor was great. The side characters were great. I loved how they even
Honestly it was everything I could have hoped for in an Ant-Man movie. I really hope it does well so that it gets a sequel, but it seems like there isn't very much buzz around it. Which sucks, because it was better then a bunch of the other Marvel movies.
Ant-Man was one of the first super heroes I started reading when I got into comics so I just wanted a movie that did right by the character, and I think they really did.
Douglas did a great job with Pym, Rudd was a perfect Lang. They made the ants not seem completely goofy and actually useful. The sense of scale was great. The humor was great. The side characters were great. I loved how they even
shrank so small they went to a different dimension.
Honestly it was everything I could have hoped for in an Ant-Man movie. I really hope it does well so that it gets a sequel, but it seems like there isn't very much buzz around it. Which sucks, because it was better then a bunch of the other Marvel movies.
WrenchNinja
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Just got back from seeing it, really enjoyed it
Loved how much smaller in scale it was and how it was a heist movie. The ants played a bigger part in this movie than i thought, they were really well done. Some really cool stuff with the microverse is adapted in so that's cool. Michael Douglas is a perfect grizzled and old Hank Pym and Paul Rudd is a great Scott Langley. Kate from Lost is pretty good here as notJanet. Villain is throwaway but whatever. There's a gag with one of Scott's crew that totally sounds like something Edgar Wright came up with and he is credited at the end so I suppose a lot of his stuff was kept in.
Anyway, great movie and nice way to close off phase 2. In a couple of years we'll see the kid that plays Cassie as Stature, I want to bet.
Loved how much smaller in scale it was and how it was a heist movie. The ants played a bigger part in this movie than i thought, they were really well done. Some really cool stuff with the microverse is adapted in so that's cool. Michael Douglas is a perfect grizzled and old Hank Pym and Paul Rudd is a great Scott Langley. Kate from Lost is pretty good here as notJanet. Villain is throwaway but whatever. There's a gag with one of Scott's crew that totally sounds like something Edgar Wright came up with and he is credited at the end so I suppose a lot of his stuff was kept in.
Anyway, great movie and nice way to close off phase 2. In a couple of years we'll see the kid that plays Cassie as Stature, I want to bet.
DrForester
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So...
Did Disney marvel know about the Spiderman deal for a while, or is it likely the Spiderman tease lines were tossed in at the last minute?
Last minute, most likely.
orthodoxy1095
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Yes plz.
I was enjoying the theme myself. I'm gonna have to give the score a listen through on its own, though to compare with the rest of the outstanding competition (lol).
Since when did "over the top" for a villain equal bad and every villain need character development and motivation?
All those same gripes could be levied at Health Ledger's Joker and yet people practically universally praise his Joker as a great villain.
Darth Vader classic movie villain, characterization of a piece of cardboard.
People dont know what they want in a villain.
The guy here did a good job. Properly over the top. Showed lots of restraint. Showed he was multi faceted in other moments with emotional scenes that sold well enough for me. I couldn't have asked for much more of an actor in a villain role. Was a bright spot next to Michael Pena for me.
lol
Well the problem was more on the script rather than his acting in particular. I mean they had to have multiple 'kick the puppy' type scenes and he even wears some all black leather outfit at one point if you couldn't get the hint that he was the villain.
Mighty Chin
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Abso-Fucking-Lutely.
Mighty Chin
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You are clearly Trolling now.
Are you kidding me?
He's not winning any Oscars for this role. Nobody in this thread can seemingly even remember his name.
SkullHydra
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I actually really liked the scenes between Hank Pym and Darren Cross.
It was still a pretty one dimensional bad guy, but I actually kind of enjoyed him. Besides, GotG proved that you don't need a good villain to have a great movie.
It felt to me like Hank was pretty responsible for how Darren ended up. (The Pym Particles didn't help either) Darren grew up idolizing Hank and wanting to be just like him, but got shunned and 'disowned' by his mentor for doing so. You could see the genuine excitement on his face when Hank admitted that he actually did those awesome things as Antman.
It was still a pretty one dimensional bad guy, but I actually kind of enjoyed him. Besides, GotG proved that you don't need a good villain to have a great movie.
Zen_Arcade
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Just because someone isn't winning any Oscars doesnt mean they did a bad job. The vast majority of action movie villains aren't Oscars caliber performances, but people still think they're enjoyable. Yellow jacket was better then a lot of Marvel movie villains.
They certainly gave him more to do then Red Skull or any of the Iron Man villains outside of Mandarin, and he ended up being a joke character. The biggest flaw is that it was another Marvel movie where the villain was just an evil version of the hero, and that's more forgivable considering how shallow Ant-Man's villain pool is in the first place.
TheExhaustedWalrus
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Saw it earlier and really enjoyed it. The last 20 minutes or so were just great. It felt so much more intimate than any Marvel movie and it really had its own feel to it. Villain sucked, though.
Like I said, his acting wasn't the problem although I certainly wouldn't say it's notable either. The problem is the script didn't give him much to work with and even with the limited scenes like in the finale, he didn't carry much gravitas.
This isn't even Winter Soldier level.
TheWorthyEdge
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Before I give my impressions. Quick question:
what did the 2nd endcredit scene really mean? I took away 2 things. One they found Bucky. Two they couldn't say something to Tony because (does Tony know that he killed his dad?) Bucky killed his dad.
10/10 post. Would read again
Zen_Arcade
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Saying "This isn't even Winter Soldier level" isn't a very good defense when Winter Soldier is debatably the best Marvel villain so far. Yellowjacket did more then the majority of other Marvel villains so far, and more then a lot of other comic book movie villains.
Well somebody brought up Joker and Darth Vader.
Also saying Yellowjacket is better than most Marvel villains is a pretty damn low bar.
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