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Fighting Games Weekly | July 20-26 | No Gods or Kings, Only Tears
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Nope.
Just pretend it doesn't exist. It's basically a rebalance with one new character.
Oh, I have to click on the link to see it. I didn't bother to since I was on mobile.
God damn, I didn't know about this. I would be livid if I won and that happened to me. "Where the fuck is my golden stick?!"
Why not?
We have games with furries, we have a hundred fighters with animu waifus, we have many fighters with regular looking dudes in gis, we have games with horror genre creatures etc.
Not many fighters with robot representation. I know there's Gundam but that's an established IP, it's cool to have a new robot IP to play around with.
sixteen-bit
Member
throwback to One Must Fall, an old PC fighter
Because we finally have a spiritual sequel of Zero Divide.
direct_quote
Member
The robot designs look and sound too childish..
Because chicks dig giant robots!
Karsticles
Member
Are you serious here? There was a Captain America in top 8. You should be thrilled.
That's called "Smash Bros.".
I don't think you can call someone a "god" of a game before their first win. That covers all 4 of those, right? Or has Momochi won before?
Ogawa is a Zato god, but I don't think you can hand out a title like "god" to someone on a game's first Evo. Marvel gods all died, Leffen and Mang0 died in Melee, and Infiltration died. That's significant turnover in the three major legacy titles. The title feels appropriate within that context.
they dont play marvel
Breh people play Smash and Marvel...
Sounds like someone is salty because they lost some bet.
"Oh noes Justin didn't win... kusoge/random game confirmed!!!!"
sixteen-bit
Member
With the backing of the Cannons and S-Kill, is Rising Thunder a shoe in for Evo 2016?
PC + F2P means hella e-sports too.
PC + F2P means hella e-sports too.
this is actually something i'm really worried about in the long run, haha
although i also don't think they're dumb enough to shove it into the spotlight that quickly given the potential hellstorm it could raise
What if no one plays it? Then what?
The successor to Mahvel.
Karsticles
Member
It's weird how some folks play Marvel for years, then quit and talk shit about how awful it is. Ditto for SFIV.
Rising Thunder 3rd last game before SFV and Marvel 3. Of course.
It's almost always related to some earth shattering experience they go through. Like they experience a super salty defeat and they swear the game off forever. And Marvel with the game it is, you run into that constantly.
TheRetroKid
Neo Member
the special moves are on a cool-down timer.
what?
what?
"God's Beard!"
Member
I've been talking shit about SFIV since before it came to consoles and I still play it constantly.
It seems hard to imbue robots with character I think which is why most are often avatars and tools for other "real" characters. I'm interested to see what they do with it. Pocket Rumble is also another game in development that's using single direction + button for execution of specials.
When else can someone call a game shit?
If they barely play it = shut the fuck up scrub, you didn't even play enough to learn the game
If they play too long = shut the fuck up scrub, if you hated it that much you wouldn't be playing it
Karsticles
Member
See above.
It all depends on how FChamp, JWong, and ChrisG take this year's results. JWong will probably ramp up his game for next year and study the Hulk matchup. He's grounded, and he loves Marvel too much to give it up. FChamp and ChrisG are more emotional and inconsistent.
If SFV takes a leap in popularity over SFIV- as an e-sports title it will be on par with some of the bigger names.
I could easily see high six-figure amounts for EVO and Capcom Cup if that happens.
skLaFarebear
Member
I don't see any of the main events besides Persona falling off next year, only to be replaced by SF5. Unless one of the smash games falls off main event too, or the game itself blows up, I don't think it makes main event.
It'll definitely be a side tourney at least assuming it gets a release date before next EVO.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Why would a smaller roster prevent counterpicking? If anything, a larger roster delays that inevitable future.
You really trynna tell me ogawa isn't a gg god? Sonicfox is easily a modern day nether realm god. Armada is as much a smash god as chris g was a marvel god, or is chris not one since he never won evo? Then momochi us a no brainer, been the best sf4 player for a minute now
SquirrelSoup
Member
I feel like it's a pretty interesting idea. Might make for some very different balancing and decision making. Looking forward to see how that pans out.
(In before 1000 scrubs complaining about the cooldown on fireballs being too short <.< )
Maybe because your pals play it and they're too lazy to try new/other stuff at all? Or it's easy to find matches because it's so popular? There's reasons like that.
lotta folks went into it expecting as much tbh, this is marvel's last "real" evo showing which is another reason why there was such a huge grind for folks to push themselves to that top skill level too
i get the feeling this was a huge factor in top8 too as the play from everyone was significantly worse than the previous day. there's always the hangover + lack of sleep aspect too but it sure looked like the nerves were super real too
rayray looked like 2011/2012 "that's my bnb i don't ever fuck it up" rayray for his first two matches
That's what I'm thinking. I feel like the gods won't be hungry for it anyway, I feel like their reaction will be more of a fuck this game it's dead anyway. Additional the gods were defeated handily. Will that tier under the gods still be hungry for it? I don't think so either unfortunately.
I feel like either one of two things are going to happen:
1) America gets enraged at the results and vow to never let that happen again, get hungry again and start grinding for next year's EVO. Then next year EVO it's back to business as usual with US domination in top 8.
2) What you said happens where Marvel drops off in the US but continues to hold strong internationally and EVO mirrors what happened this year with Americans having less representation.
I feel like #2 is going to happen mostly because America always say they are going to do #1 for USF4 and they still get bodied in the end. If anything this year's EVO for Marvel is going to light up a fire in the international community and there's already talk of some Japanese players wanting to step their game up. They drew the blood and now they are hungry for more.
No matter what happens, no way that Marvel doesn't return next year for EVO especially after what happened this year. I feel like if Justin had won then Mr Wizard might have retired the game but now it's like... nah he can't let US ride dirty like that!
Kind of agreed except for Ogawa. If there was ever any god of any fighting game series, Ogawa is definitely the god of Guilty Gear.
I feel like it's gonna be #1. It was too late for most Marvel players to get in on that Street Fighter money, but with Street Fighter V? I fully expect the Pro Tour money to double next year, too.
I just feel a total focus shift coming in the FGC.
Karsticles
Member
Ogawa is a GG god in general, but you usually don't talk about "gods" at a game's first Evo. It's a legacy title that gets built over a few years of participation.
The "god" title also means that you are so far above the competition that you are nigh untouchable. ChrisG, FChamp, and JWong were so far above the rest of the Marvel competition that they made it look like a different game. Ditto for Infiltration and the 20XX Melee players. The point of the title isn't that no one is amazing at the game now, but that competition has ramped up to such a degree that there are no clear "gods" in the games anymore. Who the hell would have thought we would have Hungrybox in Melee grand finals? He took down Leffen AND Mang0.
If you take the title to mean "no one who was amazing at these games before won", then yeah, I agree it makes no sense. If you take the title to mean "everyone else has caught up to the gods, making them mortal (defeatable)", the title makes a ton of sense.
I think reasons like this just make you a loser. Play what you like.
I think we just have to wait and see. When is the next major?
I think there are two ways the title "god" gets used - in reference to a generic player skill (Tokido, ChrisG, JWong - all amazing at multiple games), and as a reference to a player's skill in a particular game. I feel like in the west, we tend to use it more in the latter sense, and that's what is applied here. Ogawa is incredible, and I am a huge Ogawa fanboy, but this is Xrd's first Evo.
Like I said, it's more about the legacy games than the new titles.
If they had creative designs like Gundam, it would be fine, but the two robot designs showed off look extremely plain and generic.
TheRetroKid
Neo Member
i mean, i get how recovery frames essentially do the same thing in other fighters, but wouldn't a cool-down timer just be a way for the oppenent to know whether or not you could perform a specific move? (example: opponent sees you can't use your dp for 5 seconds, proceeds to jump in with reckless abandon).
At present it would be TTT2, Yatagarasu and still learning Skullgirls.And now for the question folks ask themselves once a year...
For me, I'm gonna try to play more anime in general and Skullgirls. They had the hypest top 8.
EDIT: Also I really wish the title was Fighting Games Weekly|Frauds Among U.S.
lol
Looking forward to SFV and Tekken 7.
First raised my eyebrow but then got curious to see how it would work.
Game looks real cool and some faces are behind it so im putting it on my radar.
They showed like 5-6 different designs. I liked the girl robot though.
ShinMaruku
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DryEyeRelief
Member
That makes me think of an interesting what if scenario.
If Nintendo was supporting Smash 4 like Capcom is with Street Fighter, would that take the wind out of the Melee scene?
Karsticles
Member
It depends on how the game is balanced, but this is how Marvel games work. Assists all have different cooldowns based on how strong they are. Morrigan's meter assist, for example, has like half a second cooldown. You can go nuts with it. Vajra has a much longer cooldown period, as does Plasma Beam.
It needs gameplay changes for Smash Melee to die. Smash 4 is too defensive and slow to replace what people love about Melee.
Lostconfused
Member
I disagree.
Not to mention that they are going for some very obvious and heavy handed archetypes.
SquirrelSoup
Member
That may be true. But if i hardline on only playing the game i like best i'll mostly be playing randoms online. I think there's value in offline in person play even if it's in a game i don't like. At worst i can learn some stuff to take to my main game.
Yeah, that's what i'm worried about too. "Oh, his fireball ran out, time to do three forward dashes in a row!" So it will be interesting to see how it pans out, right?
Yeah, when you put it in that context that's fair. Well said
This, generic af.