Hulk Hogan sex tape included racist tirade - WWE cuts all ties

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oti xero said:
Americans, could you please translate this whole thing into European?

Is this like David the Hoff Hasselhoff turning out to be a Nazi?*

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No, we in Germany don't love Hasselhoff more than you do but I tried to make it relatable
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One of the core "Sendung mit der Maus" members does a antisemitic rant. That would be my anology.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
Some people don't make big splashes when they make huge shifts in their personal beliefs. Should have he done something huge solely because he's a celebrity and that's some sort of expectation you have of celebrities?

I know I've come around on a lot of things over my lifetime, I don't go around speaking to these changes because why would i?

Again, it doesn't seem he could've done anything in the last near decade that would've swayed you. It seems like if he did, you would've just moved the goalpost to justify your viewpoint.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
Some people don't make big splashes when they make huge shifts in their personal beliefs. Should have he done something huge solely because he's a celebrity and that's some sort of expectation you have of celebrities?

I know I've come around on a lot of things over my lifetime, I don't go around speaking to these changes because why would i?

Again, it doesn't seem he could've done anything in the last near decade that would've swayed you. It seems like if he did, you would've just moved the goalpost to justify your viewpoint.
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He didn't even acknowledge that his views were racist in the past. Please read what I said again. I said he should acknowledge his past views were wrong, not just his words. I never said he needed to announce his change whenever it happened in the past. Acknowledge it now in your apology.
 
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but how about Sting? I can't think of any dirt on him. Outside of him and Macho Man, I can't think of anyone else who weren't assholes.
 
It's like 1996 all over again.

Hogan turning heel and dropping those legs on Macho Man, with Hall and Nash raising up his hand in glory.

Hogan has managed to break everyone's heart TWICE in a lifetime.

THREE TIMES if you count Thunderlips in Rocky 3.
 
BobTheFork said:
The best one ever from Golberg:

He had a spot where he had to punch out the window on a limo but refused to use a pipe hidden in his sleeve to do it. So he punches the window, cuts himself about a half inch from cutting the nerves in his arm and is out for 6 months. lol
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You mean he was using the pipe, it slipped out of his hand when he broke the first window, he couldn't find it so he carried on to avoid breaking character, and ended up fucking up his arm when he punched the other window with his fist.
 
RocketRacoon said:
In my mind Hogan died ages ago....but this is fucked, he's so dead now.

Vince is gonna Benoit the Hogan legacy for sure.
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Vince is just waiting for all this to blow over.

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oti xero said:
Americans, could you please translate this whole thing into European?

Is this like David the Hoff Hasselhoff turning out to be a Nazi?*

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No, we in Germany don't love Hasselhoff more than you do but I tried to make it relatable
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I think WWE has a fairly love/hate sort of thing going for it; it has a sizable following as well as a sizable amount of people who think it's a bit of a trashy joke. But some of those people still might have nostalgia for Hogan.
 
Saven said:
I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but how about Sting? I can't think of any dirt on him. Outside of him and Macho Man, I can't think of anyone else who weren't assholes.
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I watch shoot videos online and everybody seems to like Sting. Maybe because he's super Christian and doesn't really party like the rest of them?
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
While I don't have stats, I'm sure Hogan was still making plenty of money for Vince via merch.

He just hosted Wrestlemania 30.
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I highly doubt Hogan's presence had much of an impact on WM30 buy rates. He was attached as a host because it was a big 30th anniversary event. It should also be noted that his entire presence on that show was an opening segment where he forgot what stadium he was in.
 
With Hogan gone, Cena can finally etch his name in the Mount Rushmore of professional wrestling with Rock, Austin, and Bruno.
 
foxtrot3d said:
Are you fucking kidding me?
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what part of my comments are bothering you? I'm not defending what he's said, it's absolutely deplorable, just pointing out that it's been 8 years and he's stated that this video isn't representative of who he is today. what problems are you finding in my comments?

Two Words said:
He didn't even acknowledge that his views were racist in the past. Please read what I said again. I said he should acknowledge his past views were wrong, not just his words. I never said he needed to announce his change whenever it happened in the past. Acknowledge it now in your apology.
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I guess we're getting different things from his statement.
 
Traderic said:
I watch shoot videos online and everybody seems to like Sting. Maybe because he's super Christian and doesn't really party like the rest of them?
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I think that the worst thing you can say about Sting is that he came off as pretty sanctimonious after being born again.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
what part of my comments are bothering you? I'm not defending what he's said, it's absolutely deplorable, just pointing out that it's been 8 years and he's stated that this video isn't representative of who he is today. what problems are you finding in my comments?

I guess we're getting different things from his statement.
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The idea that you can actually be so naive to suggest that Hulk Hogan had some deep transformation in his personal beliefs in those 8 years from the making of that tape to now when it was leaked and he's forced to respond to these revelations. Why exactly would you give him the benefit of the doubt? And do you actually think that most people change?
 
Yeah Sting seems like a nice guy, probably a bit too trusting of wrestling people (WCW, TNA, WWE if you watched Wrestlemania) but he seems like a nice chap. To be honest I don't think Goldberg is that bad, it's just the people he hates happen to be Vince McMahon and Triple H. I'd expect way a far worse human being to have come out of the WCW Power Plant.
 
JMDSO said:
I think that the worst thing you can say about Sting is that he came off as pretty sanctimonious after being born again.
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Is that when he's like on the Christian tv shows? I don't really watch him outside of WCW/WWE but from listening to the way Hall, Nash, the Shiek, and everybody talk about him I don't get that. Do you have any links? He was my favourite wrestler so I'm interested in it.
 
Professor Beef said:
He was an abusive spouse.
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Shamrock7r said:
Well, my list of wrestlers back in the day I can still look back at fondly is down to Sting and Norman Smiley
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Yokozuna is notable for being the only man to defeat both Hulk Hogan and Bret "The Hitman" Hart, two of the most popular wrestlers and biggest draws in wrestling history, for the WWF/WWE championship; both matches occurred in the same year.
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I nominate Yokozuna posthumously as new Cream of the Crop.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
I guess we're getting different things from his statement.
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His apology is a boilerplate 'I misspoke' statement, as if he meant to say snickers. It's horseshit and doesn't make anyone look good when they do this, I don't know why they continue to do it. I imagine they are advised it is a better PR move than 'I'd like to apologise, I have held racist views in my life and am committed to working on them now.', but I don't think it is.
 
I remember hearing about Hogan's leaked sex tape years ago, so why is this story only now blowing up? Or is it another tape that just got leaked recently?
 
GolazoDan said:
Yeah Sting seems like a nice guy, probably a bit too trusting of wrestling people (WCW, TNA, WWE if you watched Wrestlemania) but he seems like a nice chap. To be honest I don't think Goldberg is that bad, it's just the people he hates happen to be Vince McMahon and Triple H. I'd expect way a far worse human being to have come out of the WCW Power Plant.
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I think he's not broke and doesn't really care about his legacy in the business. I still hope he gets to win a match in WWE. That will suck if he doesn't.
 
foxtrot3d said:
The idea that you can actually be so naive to suggest that Hulk Hogan had some deep transformation in his personal beliefs in those 8 years from the making of that tape to now when it was leaked and he's forced to respond to these revelations. Why exactly would you give him the benefit of the doubt? And do you actually think that most people change?
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I think it's equally as troubling that you assume that people aren't capable of changing. Are you the same person you were nearly a decade ago?

I'm not saying that he's a different person, i just find it troubling to hold someone to something they said or did that long ago and to sit here and assume that theyve been acting in that same manner, in that same spirit, since then.

So yes, i do think that someone can change in that span of time. Now, whether Hogan has or hasn't neither you nor I have the capacity to know that. Maybe he's just as much of a scumbag now as he was then. But I give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reasons not to.
 
Sephzilla said:
I highly doubt Hogan's presence had much of an impact on WM30 buy rates. He was attached as a host because it was a big 30th anniversary event. It should also be noted that his entire presence on that show was an opening segment where he forgot what stadium he was in.
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According to data from last year, he still moved the 6th most amount of merch behind John Cena, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Batista, and Sheamus.

He moved the 4th most on the online shop behind Cena, Punk and Bryan.
 
Traderic said:
Is that when he's like on the Christian tv shows? I don't really watch him outside of WCW/WWE but from listening to the way Hall, Nash, the Shiek, and everybody talk about him I don't get that. Do you have any links? He was my favourite wrestler so I'm interested in it.
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I'm speaking more to him not wanting to join WWE(F) after WCW folded using the content of the Attitude Era as the reason. He's now since said it was because of contract reasons, but I distinctly remember the content clashing with his (new found) beliefs being said years ago.
 
Traderic said:
I think he's not broke and doesn't really care about his legacy in the business. I still hope he gets to win a match in WWE. That will suck if he doesn't.
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Sting will, he'll probably come in as Roman and Dean's mate for a six man with Bray, Harper and some other dude. WWE will make some shirts for him, he'll be in in all the video games, they'll make some WWE Network specials and DVDs, he'll do alright. Way better than TNA anyway.
 
I'm sorry if this question has been asked before but I can't find it anywhere: why did he sue Gawker if he knew this was in the tape and why didn't Gawker say anything about it in their original article on the tape?
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
I think it's equally as troubling that you assume that people aren't capable of changing. Are you the same person you were nearly a decade ago?

I'm not saying that he's a different person, i just find it troubling to hold someone to something they said or did that long ago and to sit here and assume that theyve been acting in that same manner, in that same spirit, since then.

So yes, i do think that someone can change in that span of time. Now, whether Hogan has or hasn't neither you nor I have the capacity to know that. Maybe he's just as much of a scumbag now as he was then. But I give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reasons not to.
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People past their 50's rarely ever change their beliefs and 8 years ago isn't that long ago. When your throwing out deep seething racial hatred and epithets and saying explicitly "I am a racist," I'm not going to exactly buy that you've had a sudden change right after it's discovered you harbor said feelings.
 
Freedom = $1.05 said:
yes, it proves he was a piece of shit nearly a decade ago. It proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. and that more than likely he had those believes up to that very point.

What does it prove in 2015?
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Ah, so past behavior means nothing as an indicator as to who a person is, only things done and said in the immediate present. Good to know.
 
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