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[kewlmyc]

Holy shit, the Lloyd costume. Would of been cool if he was a DLC character though.

 

[Azure J]

At a certain point, doesn't speculating about the scientific reasoning behind the likelihood of a character's inclusion just start getting tedious to some of you? I mean, I get it. You flip on ESPN and they're going to expert takes on who is going to win the Big Game tonight, and people are going to have some rationale behind their picks. People like that kind of speculation, and those who really fancy themselves as having great intuition or an amazing grasp of sabermetrics like to think they they get it right more often than not. I don't think there's anything wrong with these kinds of predictions.

But at a certain point, everyone just kind of agrees that the conversation is no longer fruitful and concedes that ultimately the outcome is decided by the actual game playing out and not by who has the most compelling argument for what is likely to happen.

Where am I going with this? I may only be speaking for myself here, but this argument over the last page has been terrible to read. At the end of the day, Sakurai and his team are going to put in whatever character they like and/or think will make a great addition to the game. Analyzing his thought process and making predictions can only be interesting for so long.

Mind you, this has nothing to do with people expressing a desire to see a character. I'm specifically singling out predictions here.

I definitely think the speculation gets tedious after a while. Especially when people start treating their speculative arguments as facts. Despite the countless of times people have been wrong about predicting Sakurai and roster, people still create their own criteria and toss him around like it's fact.
"Assist trophies can't be playable."
"Games P has bad sales, so no character."
"Series Q has two games, so no more characters."

Sure it's inevitable that people will make assumptions about the roster and many are pretty reasonable. I certainly speculate a lot. But people treating their own speculation as if it's a fact gets pretty annoying. Heck, even when it's based off something Sakurai said, it's still difficult to be 100% sure most of the time. The man can change his opinion at any point.

I don't mind people making predictions, or analyzing perceived trends. I just wish more people would do so with a sense of humility, acknowledging that at the end of the day, anything and everything could happen, and we're all limited in how much we can actually predict.

Just singling these out to say great posts and I totally agree. I've pretty much bowed out of a lot of Smash future content discussion due to a combination of points brought up here (specifically dealing with people who seem to have Sakurai's ten commandments that no one else does and expecting the unexpected).

 

[greg400]

Oh, no, I definitely don't think they're in competition with each other. I don't think The Wonderful 101 is important enough to get a character in the first place. Rhythm Heaven would already have a character if it weren't for technical issues.

You're literally just repeating shit I've already said at this point, so if that was the case you should've made it evident at that point in time.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173508441&postcount=1360

Just because something is forgettable doesn't mean the few people who played it can't enjoy it. In a broader sense, the game didn't leave an impact. It was poorly marketed, it didn't sell well, it wasn't a critical hit, and there isn't a sequel in production. It's no different than Pandora's Tower, The Last Story, Captain Rainbow, Drill Dozer, Eternal Darkness, or any of the countless other one-offs released throughout Nintendo's history. The Internet's cult worship of PlatinumGames gives The Wonderful 101 an air of distinction that it really hasn't earned.

:lol

Spoken just like someone who hasn't played the game, let alone to completion. Also it is different from every game you just listed because it actually came out this generation.

 

[Geminosity]

You'll partially get your wish with Tourney Mode.

Huh, now that you mention it, I've not been paying a lot of attention to the whole tournament mode thing. I guess I should look into it :3

Thing is, I'm pretty lazy about online play in general so the idea of sitting down for a set time to try and organise playing with a friend feels like too much commitment so I've always gravitated towards anything that allows disorganised play times with randoms XD
Offline? I'm oddly motivated and I'll shedule times, take my setup places and all kinds of efforts just to have a fun gaming session

 

[Lights and Waves]

I wonder why there are still not costumes for existing characters. Those would make so much money.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Huh, now that you mention it, I've not been paying a lot of attention to the whole tournament mode thing. I guess I should look into it :3

Miis are (surprisingly) allowed in tourney mode. They've actually specifically showed off people using Miis in the mode, as if they were intentionally letting us know we can use them.

I wonder why there are still not costumes for existing characters. Those would make so much money.

I have no idea either. At bare minimum Ocarina of Time 3D skins for the Zelda crew shouldn't be hard to do at all, and yet we don't have them or any indication they might happen.

 

[Neoxon]

I wonder why there are still not costumes for existing characters. Those would make so much money.

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[J@hranimo]

Man,I am really curious about the music selection on the N64 stages. Anyone have an idea what we may be getting?

 

[pizzacat]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---

ALRIGHT SAKARAI CALM DOWN

 

[Shamrock7r]

Ninten for Ness would make me super happy.

I think what's crazier is Ninten not being a Ness alt.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Man,I am really curious about the music selection on the N64 stages. Anyone have an idea what we may be getting?

Throwback Galaxy is required on Peach's Castle

It has to happen.

 

[Gleethor]

Man,I am really curious about the music selection on the N64 stages. Anyone have an idea what we may be getting?

Definitely 100% their original 64 tracks. Beyond that, who knows.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I'm not a W101 fanboy, but Wonder Red would be so damn perfect for Smash.

Yeah, he would be great if they have like 3 or 4 wonders following them. They could summon the weapons.

You know what, I'd be just fine with an Isaac mii costume.

All I ever really wanted was just to get a stage and some music, but that's impossible. So yeah, sure, mii costume it up.

Yeah. I'm fine with Isaac and Takamaru Mii costumes. It's way better than getting nothing.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Just singling these out to say great posts and I totally agree. I've pretty much bowed out of a lot of Smash future content discussion due to a combination of points brought up here (specifically dealing with people who seem to have Sakurai's ten commandments that no one else does and expecting the unexpected).

This is why I've stayed out of Smash speculation threads since the Brawl announcement (i.e Snake) since it was clear at that point that Sakurai will do whatever he wants and that citing precedent or listing reasons why or why not somebody can be in is not set in stone and an extremely fluid process.

 

[Karsticles]

Why can't this kid put his hat on straight?

 

[Lights and Waves]

I was wondering the same thing.

Now that I think of it, if they export Smash to the NX, offering alternate costumes for the characters as an exclusive would be a big selling point.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

Ok, and why is this suddenly a "rule" Sakurai must now always follow? Also, why do you pretend you are 100% certain that this rule MUST be followed? We don't know what may happen to the Ballot (which, let me remind people, is still going on so NO characters that are created due to the ballot won't be coming until like May) yet everyone here is taking the K Rool costume as gospel that he was cast out of the ballot and using it as a pretense to scream how Sakurai is "ruining" the franchise, again. Or talking about how X character is somehow absolutely NEVER going to be in the game.

Its Neoxon. He literally ruins every Smash thread with statements like "Wolf is likely" "Wonder Red only with ballot" "IC never happening due to 3DS" and more. Some of those may be right, but he just keeps posting it over and over and over again. Not to mention all the posts he "fixes". I used to love reading Smash Speculation threads and still do, but trying to read through them nowadays is a drag because anytime he posts, which is alot, I just get so angry. He just posts the same statements over and over again without fail. I just have to wade through it, but damn he is the most annoying poster I've ever seen on this site.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

At a certain point, doesn't speculating about the scientific reasoning behind the likelihood of a character's inclusion just start getting tedious to some of you? I mean, I get it. You flip on ESPN and they're going to expert takes on who is going to win the Big Game tonight, and people are going to have some rationale behind their picks. People like that kind of speculation, and those who really fancy themselves as having great intuition or an amazing grasp of sabermetrics like to think they they get it right more often than not. I don't think there's anything wrong with these kinds of predictions.

But at a certain point, everyone just kind of agrees that the conversation is no longer fruitful and concedes that ultimately the outcome is decided by the actual game playing out and not by who has the most compelling argument for what is likely to happen.

Where am I going with this? I may only be speaking for myself here, but this argument over the last page has been terrible to read. At the end of the day, Sakurai and his team are going to put in whatever character they like and/or think will make a great addition to the game. Analyzing his thought process and making predictions can only be interesting for so long.

Mind you, this has nothing to do with people expressing a desire to see a character. I'm specifically singling out predictions here.

It's like one of the only downsides of new character DLC being a thing; these ridiculous arguments come back from the dead.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Its Neoxon. He literally ruins every Smash thread with statements like "Wolf is likely" "Wonder Red only with ballot" "IC never happening due to 3DS" and more. Some of those may be right, but he just keeps posting it over and over and over again. Not to mention all the posts he "fixes". I used to love reading Smash Speculation threads and still do, but trying to read through them nowadays is a drag because anytime he posts, which is alot, I just get so angry. He just posts the same statements over and over again without fail. I just have to wade through it, but damn he is the most annoying poster I've ever seen on this site.

I mean you could always use the ignore list.

 

[Lights and Waves]

People harping on about the ballot...I'm 99% sure that all the characters coming out for this game were in production and confirmed way before the ballot came out. They're going to use the ballot as a way to gauge character interests for the next Smash bros title, and when this title's DLC comes out they'll just pretend that they thought it up by using the ballot.

It's just to keep you fanboys quiet.

 

[J@hranimo]

Definitely 100% their original 64 tracks. Beyond that, who knows.

Throwback Galaxy is required on Peach's Castle

It has to happen.

OMG YES why wasn't this a thought? That would be perfect! I would play on this stage forever lol.

 

[Askherserenity]

So no way we're getting this at midnight right?

 

[Neoxon]

People harping on about the ballot...I'm 99% sure that all the characters coming out for this game were in production and confirmed way before the ballot came out. They're going to use the ballot as a way to gauge character interests for the next Smash bros title, and when this title's DLC comes out they'll just pretend that they thought it up by using the ballot.

It's just to keep you fanboys quiet.

While I can see where you're coming from, the Ballot was kind advertised as being Smash 4-specific. It could be for DLC, it could be for a potential NX remaster. But I think it's safe to assume the ballot is for Smash 4.

So no way we're getting this at midnight right?

I was actually wondering the same thing since NoA listed the update for the 31st.

 

[ErrorMacro]

People harping on about the ballot...I'm 99% sure that all the characters coming out for this game were in production and confirmed way before the ballot came out. They're going to use the ballot as a way to gauge character interests for the next Smash bros title, and when this title's DLC comes out they'll just pretend that they thought it up by using the ballot.

It's just to keep you fanboys quiet.

I think one character of the ballot, the winner, is gonna be added. And that is if the winner is a reasonable choice, not something like Goku or Naruto. But the rest? probably costume only.

 

[pizzacat]

I mean you could always use the ignore list.

Or go crazy like us

 

[Neoxon]

I think one character of the ballot, the winner, is gonna be added. And that is if the winner is a reasonable choice, not something like Goku or Naruto. But the rest? probably costume only.

I personally wouldn't say the winner, but someone in the Top 5. That's just my 2 cents, but I can see where you're coming from.

 

[Geminosity]

People harping on about the ballot...I'm 99% sure that all the characters coming out for this game were in production and confirmed way before the ballot came out. They're going to use the ballot as a way to gauge character interests for the next Smash bros title, and when this title's DLC comes out they'll just pretend that they thought it up by using the ballot.

It's just to keep you fanboys quiet.

...or less cynically it's just an easier way for the team to get feedback on what people might want rather than trying to sift through various media and only getting info from a vocal minority

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I think one character of the ballot, the winner, is gonna be added. And that is if the winner is a reasonable choice, not something like Goku or Naruto. But the rest? probably costume only.

I actually wonder if we could ever get a Goku Mii costume. Like a real one.

Nintendo hasn't been opposed to doing real world crossovers before, and a Mii costume is a pretty "light" way of adding a non-gaming character to Smash.

Honestly, Goku and Vegeta costumes would be super hype.

 

[SeanR1221]

Any word on prices yet? I've bought all the DLC so far. 😁

 

[Neoxon]

Any word on prices yet? I've bought all the DLC so far. 😁

• Mii Costumes: $0.75 for one version, $1.15 for both
• Stages: $1.99 for one version, $2.99 for both

 

[SeanR1221]

• Mii Costumes: $0.75 for one version, $1.15 for both
• Stages: $1.99 for one version, $2.99 for both

There goes my money.

 

[kirby_fox]

At a certain point, doesn't speculating about the scientific reasoning behind the likelihood of a character's inclusion just start getting tedious to some of you?

The consistent reposts where opinions are written as fact with little to no backing up of them is what has made the last few pages toxic to read. It's almost as toxic to me as going into any NX or Zelda thread and seeing a bunch of people saying "Well obviously Zelda is being ported over to the NX because it happened that one time!"

I mean you could always use the ignore list.

It's not a bad idea...I forget that exists.

I won't even bother posting my ideas on Smash this time around. I'll just be happy if we get a character as well tomorrow, but I'll go in expecting a lot of Mii costumes of characters we've wanted instead.

 

[ErrorMacro]

I personally wouldn't say the winner, but someone in the Top 5. That's just my 2 cents, but I can see where you're coming from.

Yeah, not the winner. But the one closest to the winner that is reasonable and Sakurai thinks could work.

 

[Zomba13]

The winner of the ballot will be in the game because the winner of the ballot will be whoever Nintendo was planning on putting in anyway. Oh would you look at that, Mister Docter Luigi won the ballot! Just barely beating out Ridley. Sorry Ridley fans, the true fans have spoken, please enjoy this trailer for Dr Luigi.

 

[ErrorMacro]

I actually wonder if we could ever get a Goku Mii costume. Like a real one.

Nintendo hasn't been opposed to doing real world crossovers before, and a Mii costume is a pretty "light" way of adding a non-gaming character to Smash.

Honestly, Goku and Vegeta costumes would be super hype.

I don't believe it would be impossible, either. Specially considering that Dragonball has a pretty huge gaming presence and is a Bandai-Namco property.

 

[xaszatm]

I actually wonder if we could ever get a Goku Mii costume. Like a real one.

Nintendo hasn't been opposed to doing real world crossovers before, and a Mii costume is a pretty "light" way of adding a non-gaming character to Smash.

Honestly, Goku and Vegeta costumes would be super hype.

Well, if they ever cross--over with Dragon Quest we could always just pretend.

 

[Neoxon]

Yeah, not the winner. But the one closest to the winner that is reasonable and Sakurai thinks could work.

That we can agree on.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't believe it would be impossible, either. Specially considering that Dragonball has a pretty huge gaming presence and is a Bandai-Namco property.

Oh, I didn't realize Namco had the Dragonball video game license.

That actually does make it pretty realistic.

 

[Nanashrew]

Gonna name a Mii Lloydo and make him look like the poster from the game as best I can so I will have the best Lloyd Irving on the battlefield.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Now watch the next character be Dr. Luigi with Ice properties. He can toss "L"s.

 

[Kouichi]

Now watch the next character be Dr. Luigi with Ice properties.

I want this.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I mean you could always use the ignore list.

It's not that easy since people could see his quotes.

Its Neoxon. He literally ruins every Smash thread with statements like "Wolf is likely" "Wonder Red only with ballot" "IC never happening due to 3DS" and more. Some of those may be right, but he just keeps posting it over and over and over again. Not to mention all the posts he "fixes". I used to love reading Smash Speculation threads and still do, but trying to read through them nowadays is a drag because anytime he posts, which is alot, I just get so angry. He just posts the same statements over and over again without fail. I just have to wade through it, but damn he is the most annoying poster I've ever seen on this site.

Yep, he basically got some people quit posting this thread and other threads. He just need to tone down with whatever he tried to do.

I'm fine with him trying to be informative but pushing his rules and laws upon us is getting annoying. I just want to speculate about newcomers without getting reminded with some kind of Sakurai laws.

Edited: also spam the same answers over and over in slow-paced threads could be annoying too. First time is good enough because we do get it!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Now watch the next character be Dr. Luigi with Ice properties. He can toss "L"s.

I was thinking actually a few days ago, if Doc had more time to be developed and had unique customs, an L shaped pill that bounces erratically would have been awesome.

 

[Ahnez]

At a certain point, doesn't speculating about the scientific reasoning behind the likelihood of a character's inclusion just start getting tedious to some of you? I mean, I get it. You flip on ESPN and they're going to expert takes on who is going to win the Big Game tonight, and people are going to have some rationale behind their picks. People like that kind of speculation, and those who really fancy themselves as having great intuition or an amazing grasp of sabermetrics like to think they they get it right more often than not. I don't think there's anything wrong with these kinds of predictions.

But at a certain point, everyone just kind of agrees that the conversation is no longer fruitful and concedes that ultimately the outcome is decided by the actual game playing out and not by who has the most compelling argument for what is likely to happen.

Where am I going with this? I may only be speaking for myself here, but this argument over the last page has been terrible to read. At the end of the day, Sakurai and his team are going to put in whatever character they like and/or think will make a great addition to the game. Analyzing his thought process and making predictions can only be interesting for so long.

Mind you, this has nothing to do with people expressing a desire to see a character. I'm specifically singling out predictions here.

I mostly don't mind those predictions. I did it too back in the pre-release threads - Mostly because I wanted a reason to believe that my highly unlikely favorite had a chance.. Thats not very different from just expressing a desire to see that character, in my opinion

But, one thing that I hated back then and still hate, is when someone crafts an arguments specifically to point out why a character will NOT get in. This is just childish "You can't get what you want because I said so". Anyone who still does this, STOP, stop wasting other gaffers' time

I agree those discussions get old really fast - not only because it always degenerate into those NOT arguments, but also because there are no new arguments, its always the same old ones written in different words. And thats perfectly normal, there's no way to predict how a person will think. We can't even properly predict ourselves, let alone someone we never met and know nothing about, its impossible to create a good "logical" argument

 

[RomanceDawn]

So this character costume talk got me thinking. We've all voted, months ago, weeks ago and within days surely. With all these votes already cast its certain they have some results so what's stopping us from voting again asking for character costumes? I mean will my Ridley vote get replaced and forgotten as if it never existed? Super unlikely if they are keeping tabs on this thing every day.

I say to you all let's vote on something we can all agree on! Character costumes!

1 - Dry Bowser, Strikers Bowser
2 - Strikers Mario, Tanookie Mario(already know what people will say, just giving ideas)
3 - Dr Luigi, Mr L, Strikers Luigi
4 - Tennis Peach, Daisy
5 - Mario Kart 8 Rosalina
6 - Yarn Yoshi
7 - Donkey Kong Jr outfit, Strikers DK
8 - Other Mega Mewtwo
9 - Other Mega Charizard
10 - Light Suit Samus the real one!

There is so much we could get and I'm sure people would appreciate and be more willing to buy these things than the Mii costumes.

 

[Village]

I wonder why there are still not costumes for existing characters. Those would make so much money.

* the quickness in which I would buy captain falcon outfit*

 

[IntelliHeath]

* the quickness in which I would buy captain falcon outfit*

High quality SNES Cap Falcon costume would be amazing.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

So apparently the Facebook page I thought was for American Smash is for English Smash and is run jointly between NoA and NoE, meaning when it said the 31st, it could mean the 31st in Europe, but just late night the 30th for America.

I didn't know NoE makes some of the posts on there. That would explain how the times didn't match between US and Japan.

 

[L Thammy]

I think of it the same way that I look at the timeline arguments in Zelda. Above all else, arguing about the Zelda timeline is fun. There's enough information and evidence that it it can point to certain things, and you could come up with these wacky theories that might just end up being right. But you ultimately need the presence of mind to realize that your theories are really just theories, and they're describing a body of work that is still being made, from people whose minds can change. People who can come up with new things and go in different directions. And before Hyrule Hystoria, you also had to accept the possibility that there was no real connection at all, and even the most sensible stuff that seemed like a sure bet just might not be true.

The only reason why arguing about the Zelda timeline could be bad is if people lacked that self-awareness and didn't realize that their conclusions weren't hard facts. Basically, if people starting being dicks.


Anyway, regarding the ballot. I think the entries have probably been counted already and decisions are already being made with the results. Most of us in this forum have already placed our votes and aren't likely going to vote anymore, and we're the super nerds. People with a more casual interest probably voted when the ballot was news and have already forgotten about it. The length of time between the opening and closing of the ballot is so long that I suspect that the characters might come out by the time it closes and will still be based off most of the data from the ballot.

 

[Geminosity]

They could fit a whole bunch of humanoid pokemon in via mii costumes but I can never see the pokemon company being lenient enough to allow it