He was fine in Final Fight without them.
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He was fine in Final Fight without them.
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As long as it doesn't cross the DOA line, but I feel that games could have "sexier" designs without them pandering. You could give someone a body suit, but not have them strut their T&A in every pose. Viper for example does have a boob window, but she doesn't have max disjointed sexy poses every time she does a move (or a win pose). I think the little things like that can go a long way in developing characters that are sexy, yet portray some sense of decency (and not male gaze).
yeah but think of all that jail strength he gained since then.
Geminosity
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I'm inclined to think that El Fuerte is more based off R.Mika. His run mechanic seems more in line with her running super and in Omega form he gets her 'flying peach' (renamed to 'flying nachos' XD )
Funny thing is, the amount of flack Cammy gets doesn't even come close to the reactions sparked when R. Mika gets brought up ^.^;
I've never had a huge problem with 'sexy' characters as long as there's other characters in the roster I can pick. E.g. I don't care about Ivy because I can play Amy, Ashlotte and others. Though some out there would have you believe otherwise there are actually women who enjoy playing the more vixen-like characters, but by no means does this mean that all women want to play them either (A friend of mine plays bishie male characters most of the time for example, that's her thing
) I personally think diversity is more important than censorship :3
There's a lot of dark hado stuff in people's quotes about Ryu. It sounds like something's happened. Heck, I can't remember who it was, but one quote sounds like it was written more for Evil Ryu than Ryu
MegamanXZero
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Is there a way this could not be true? ;-)
Also, how can't it be after 3S? Nash is all messed up, but he's fine in 3S. It seems unlikely that Nash started as a zombie but got cured.
I never said otherwise.
How do you know this?
Because there are a bajilliondy sexy women in fighting games and games in general with out pants, and one putting on pants because its 2k whatever isn't going to kill anyone.
Example, I like Ms Marvel, Or now Captain Marvel, I liked her old suit. But they decided they were going to make a less revealing suit. Even if i didn't like the new suit, i'm more than ok with women who might be interested in the subject matter getting a cool girl character that doesn't have to be a sexy outfit and can be in a cool girl outfit and not regulated to tomboy. I value this more than my desire to look at buts, because in this day an age, if i wanted to , i can google it it. You get no sympathy from me, you'll live.
This isn't to say that if you like the way cammy looks now and you are a woman you are wrong. I like balrog, and I like his " street clothes" 2nd alt and some people might think those things are problematic. But if I dunno if you don't like how cammy and you are a lady who wants a cool girl in a cool girl costume, or you are some gent who may feel her " sexyness " was always a bit forced and never actually apart of the character. And you thought it might be... a good thing to change it. To have a character, who isn't a tomboy that doesn't have to reveal that much skin or what have you, or could just wear more regulatory military stuff. If you think thats a cool idea, I value that, I value that more than my desire to look at butts.
I don't know if serious. I don't know if this a real kappa or not
because there are a bunch of strong women showing skin fighting men, that isn't exactly a thing we are missing from fighting games.
Again I don't know what kind of kappa that is, or if i should go into this or not.
Karsticles
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Fine, don't tell me if I have your taste in women down.
Any kind of creation with the intention of pleasing the eye is a form of pandering. Pandering is entirely healthy. However, everyone has different lines of taste. You think Cammy is excessive, you think DOA is excessive, and I assume you think Senran Kagura is excessive. I think Cammy is great, DOA is borderline, and Senran Kagura is excessive.
I get that you like girls like Viper. Other men might find them "not enough" while still a third will say she is "showing too much". That's how sexual taste works. It's probably not healthy to involve so much energy in attempting to put down one preference in favor of another. Capcom will do the smart thing and include a variety of women that appeal to a variety of individuals. Some men pleasure themselves to the Virgin Mary archetype; let them have theirs, and let everyone else have theirs too.
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ShinMaruku
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When people say X is excessive sometimes I think it's certain characters that set people off. You can't call Mila excessive. Ikaruga is not excessive. Then you have Katsuragi and Christie and you are like >_>
This is why Hitomi and Cammy are awesome. They can be refine and down right silly.
This is why Hitomi and Cammy are awesome. They can be refine and down right silly.
They were doing some interesting things in omega mode with her charges
https://youtu.be/XOcTaa9PMyo?t=55s
any character that got a major revamp in omega mode is a good sign they will make the roster cut in SF5, thats why i knew ken as a lock juri also got big revamp
Who else has significant alterations beyond minor things?
Geminosity
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Not to mention movesets.
I always felt SNK did a better job with the variety in their female cast. They even have multiple female grapplers like Shermie, Hinako, blue mary, vice, etc :3
ShinMaruku
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Decapre got new moves and shit.
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I'm not implying in my argument that people should adhere to a certain archetype of women, but that you can make sexy women that aren't constantly subjected to the male gaze.Fine, don't tell me if I have your taste in women down.
Any kind of creation with the intention of pleasing the eye is a form of pandering. Pandering is entirely healthy. However, everyone has different lines of taste. You think Cammy is excessive, you think DOA is excessive, and I assume you think Senran Kagura is excessive. I think Cammy is great, DOA is borderline, and Senran Kagura is excessive.
I get that you like girls like Viper. Other men might find them "not enough" while still a third will say she is "showing too much". That's how sexual taste works. It's probably not healthy to involve so much energy in attempting to put down one preference in favor of another. Capcom will do the smart thing and include a variety of women that appeal to a variety of individuals. Some men pleasure themselves to the Virgin Mary archetype; let them have theirs, and let everyone else have theirs too.
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Geminosity
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Oh, hey, a female boxer. SNK beating capcom on diversity once againfixed that for you
Like true, I would like love a big girl grappler
I would also Like a female character who was just a like Akira's biker outfit from rival schools
just like a biker or military lady, full suit, no skin gimmics. That would be neat, that would be an interesting change of pace.
Cammy's Summer alt was that by the way.
my main in SF4 was juri so i noticed the changes but i didnt play a ton of omega, ken was kinda hard to miss i mean he kicked fireballs lmao
heres a list of all the changes, most people thought of omega as a beta test for SF5 so it would make sense
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_Mode
Geminosity
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Akira and Zaki were my 2 permanent team members in Project Justice XD
I quite like Akira's no-helmet look in Rival Schools 2, but her biker 'disguise' is cool too :3
I mean, my issue with Cammy in SFV, besides the fact that I'm bored of seeing the same character in the same suit with the same ponytail since 1995, is that she looks like she's juicing. I don't find her look attractive at all. I get that the outfit is skimpy, though. I just think her look in SFV is altogether disappointing.
I do wish Capcom would take more character design cues from SNK, especially late 90s-early 2000's SNK. Vice, Mature, Leona, Vanessa, Shermie, Angel, even the weirdo wannabe superhero girl, those are all stellar, unique and entirely non-pandering designs.
Edit: well, Angel's aesthetics are pandering, but her play style is unique.
I do wish Capcom would take more character design cues from SNK, especially late 90s-early 2000's SNK. Vice, Mature, Leona, Vanessa, Shermie, Angel, even the weirdo wannabe superhero girl, those are all stellar, unique and entirely non-pandering designs.
Edit: well, Angel's aesthetics are pandering, but her play style is unique.
Hours Left
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Akira had both looks in both games. The different forms actually played a bit differently too.
Man, I need a new Rival Schools ASAP.
I like No helmet but biker outfit, but her tank top joint is also cool.
Somoene make a new rival schools, but have be crossover between Capcom,Namco,Sega,And Team Ninja. So persona can fight School age Jin from tekken,
Dont want to start a Capcom vs SNK Character Design War but i always liked the SNK characters alot more because they are all just... well people. Street Fighter can get really silly and i'm personally not a big fan of it. But i feel like that wouldnt fit SF completely, there characters have always been kinda over the top.
That being said: ANNOUNCE A NEW GAME ALREADY SNK. I DONT EVEN CARE, GIMME MAXIMUM IMPACT 3
Geminosity
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It's an interesting idea but a lot of the omega changes don't seem to have transferred. Ken doesn't seem to have kept much of his Omega stuff at all and I could be wrong but Cammy seems to have reverted back to her old stuff for the most part outside of cannonstrike from hooligan :/
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There's a reason my favourite capcom games were CvS and CvS2. Also my teams for those games were 100% snk characters ^.^;
You'll be glad to know that the fighting game section of SNK is hiring at the moment, indicating that something is afoot
The Lone Dragon
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Look, if Ryu and the boys are going to be beef machines, then I'm pleased that Capcom is at least being consistent across the sexes.
Nothing is more obnoxious than seeing something like KOF13, where the men are JACKED and the women's arms are toothpicks. Seriously, King's KOF13 arms are a joke for a bouncer. A SOUTHTOWN bouncer, no less.
sixteen-bit
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VF4 version pls
Karsticles
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What does this even mean? How can you design sexy women that no one finds to be sexy?
SolidSnakex
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Her build really isn't so big that it looks like she's juicing. The main difference between her new model and really pretty much every other female character in a videogames, is that they actually show her muscle definition now. And her muscles actually flex
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You're being too reductive, Cammy is not just a "sexy woman."
People hate saying it because it sounds so dumb, but it's actually true that the butt and the upper legs are the biggest, strongest, most important muscles in the human body. And they are even more proportionally strong in women than in men. It's just that many people are conditioned to only look at it as sex appeal, to the point where even the idea of it also being anything else is too dumb to consider.
But I'm dumb enough to consider it. I think Cammy's design is superb in part because it brings a sense of physicality to the game that is lost in games where everyone fights in restrictive jeans, jackets, and suits. Should everyone dress like Cammy? Of course not. Should somebody (such as herself) dress like Cammy? Yes.
lol. Now people are going after her for having muscles?
ScraftyDevil
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I adore CvS2 if only because it gave me the chance to play as my favourite fighting game character of all time in a game I don't absolutely suck at.
That and it has one of the best stage themes of any game ever.
ScraftyDevil
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I'm saying having women in sexy looking costumes that aren't constantly posing for a male gaze. As in the women are still sexy looking, but their demeanor and actions aren't crafted around pleasing a male user. Poses like this would look ridiculous if a man was doing it.
No, Fight with the wind my man, The wind.
King had long since switched from being a bouncer to becoming a bartender. That said, nearly every female redesigned for XII/XIII looked off in that art style (I say nearly because Kula was the one exception while also having an improved sprite over her old one, pretty much the direct result of her original designer still being with the company and Nona having nothing to do with her overhaul or anyone else's on the K' team).
Geminosity
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This is tuna with bacon :3 (listen to it with this in mind. You'll never hear the song any other way ever again ;D)
I think almost all the stage musics were pretty catchy to be honest. I can easily conjure most of them up from memory, plus the backgrounds were awesome like the ship stopping on the glacier, the racing dune buggies or the giant beer-drinking animatronic
LowParry
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Pfff. Claw could pull that off any time.
sixteen-bit
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ScraftyDevil
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Holy shit why isn't omega mode used more often during endless matches
Geminosity
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Yup, yup. Definitely agree. Poses and Camera angles are the real problem in most cases. I like Cia in Hyrule Warriors but every time she's introduced and the camera pans up from her boobs I just about hurt myself from rolling my eyes so hard :/
Fine, she's wearing 'teh sexy', whatever, we get it. No need to motorboat the camera in there for hecksake XD
The Hulk in that always cracks me up XD
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Karsticles
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Men look ridiculous with bras, too - so what?
Why stop at making a woman look sexy? Why be upset that her poses and such are also sexy? It seems like you have a very arbitrary cutoff point here. You have to explain so much more to have a semblance of coherency.
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Ragingnight
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...what kind of logic leap is that?
Poses aren't gender specific, bras are.
The complaint isn't about women being sexy. Women can be sexy that is fine. The argument is that women who are designed to be sexy primarily for the men's eye is something that needs to be cutout/tone down. That it objectifies women.
For instance, some would argue The Boss in MGS is sexy, but isn't objectified in the same manner as lets say Mai Shiranui.
I honestly don't care for the most part either or. But I can understand why people want "sexy" but not one that is sexy just for men sake.
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For example. I think this is what more people want
and less of this
its not about getting rid of one or the other, but to create diversity.
Another example is Naoto in P4. Pending on what she wears, she can be sexy or "sexy" for the men who just want to see TnA
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