Final Fantasy XV Gamescom Active Time Report - CNN reporting live from disaster scene

QuantumZebra said:
People loved to shit on XIII and act like FFXV was some great white hope that would "save the franchise"



... now its looking like FFXIII will be the last decent FF if this trend continues.




I'm enjoying it to say the least.
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I don't see anything that points at this game being bad... If anything I have far more faith in them because of the demo than I did before it. The game has great potential, them changing some character designs and not giving a good showing at Gamescom doesn't change that.

Seriously people, stop acting like you know everything about what Versus was and what XV is, because you don't.

Makoto Yuki said:
I suppose, but all of this could have been avoided if they were upfront and honest in the first place.

"Look, Nomura isn't directing anymore, this might as well be a reboot." Instead of slowly destroying everything we thought this game was one ATR at a time.
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Nothing about character redesigns is destroying the game, people are way to friggen attached to things that were never even in a released game.
 
Sounds like the ATR was a real disaster. This is unfortunate but it doesn't sully my optimism for the final game.

I have long since comes to grips with the fact that the product might not align with what was initially proposed when it became XV. I'm just hopeful that what it does become is good.

Let's hope the next one correct this one's issues as I'm sure the fans have been super vocal in letting them know they found this latest lacking.
 
Makoto Yuki said:
I suppose, but all of this could have been avoided if they were upfront and honest in the first place.

"Look, Nomura isn't directing anymore, this might as well be a reboot." Instead of slowly destroying everything we thought this game was one ATR at a time.
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Yeah, I agree. They always insist they've been following Nomura's vision for FF Versus yet they keep changing key moments/characters every time they show this game. It's very frustrating.

I'm trying to be optimistic about this game, but it's getting hard lol.
 
ArchedThunder said:
Nothing about character redesigns is destroying the game, people are way to friggen attached to things that were never even in a released game.
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I'm not referring to the character changes, I'm talking about the story changes. Tabata himself at first said that we wants to make the game follow Nomura's vision, but with the recent ATR's he has said otherwise. Story points have changed, it's a fact. The overarching story about "bonding" seems to be intact.

Personally I've like the new character changes, Luna and New King Regis. I don't like that they completely removed Stella. I was one of the crazy people hoping that Luna was Stella sister or something. Or that Luna is just Stella renamed. Again we don't know much about Luna, but the little we knew about Stella made her way more appealing. Who knows, maybe Noctis will end up having to fight Luna.

ZSeba said:
Yeah, I agree. They always insist they've been following Nomura's vision for FF Versus yet they keep changing key moments/characters every time they show this game. It's very frustrating.

I'm trying to be optimistic about this game, but it's getting hard lol.
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Same here, I'm trying to be optimistic as well. It's hard to be excited for a game you had a slight idea was about for almost a decade slowly transform into something different.
 
Makoto Yuki said:
I'm not referring to the character changes, I"m talking about the story changes. Tabata himself at first said that we want's to make the game follow Nomura's vision, but with the recent ATR's he has said otherwise. Story points have changed, it's a fact. The overarching story about "bonding" seems to be intact.

Personally I've like the new character changes, Luna and New King Regis. I don't like that they completely removed Stella.
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But we don't know what has been changed story wise and we don't know enough about Versus of XV currently to say that it doesn't follow Nomura's vision, story details can change while still following the original vision. People are making a ridiculous number of assumptions based off of literally nothing.
 
BumRush said:
To be fair, while I'm in the "don't complain about Stella until the final product" camp, her design WAS particularly good
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It was great. But it was also "downgraded" back when she was still Stella.

Fair enough reason to like her and miss her, not as fair of a reason to hate Luna.

raven777 said:
And sometimes that's all you need to like a character.
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Absolutely. I still love Fang just because of her design and voice, don't give a shit about her story arc.
 
I don't the devs are showing child abuse with Luna and showing her being used for nothing. I think it's apparent that she'll be a pretty powerful character. I've become less worried in that regard over the past day.
 
BumRush said:
To be fair, while I'm in the "don't complain about Stella until the final product" camp, her design WAS particularly good
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In the sea of "meh" JRPG characters, she stood out as a potentially really cool character. They need to really show something to reassure doubts about the revision. They've dug themselves into this hole, not the fans.
 
Anyway, now that we know how everything looks when Noctis summons, I can only assume that Luna is probably summoning here with the same particle effects.

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Probably summoning Leviathan.
 
wmlk said:
I don't the devs are showing child abuse with Luna and showing her being used for nothing. I think it's apparent that she'll be a pretty powerful character. I've become less worried in that regard over the past day.
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I need the receipts.
 
ArchedThunder said:
But we don't know what has been changed story wise and we don't know enough about Versus of XV currently to say that it doesn't follow Nomura's vision, story details can change while still following the original vision. People are making a ridiculous number of assumptions based off of literally nothing.
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They have already said that parts are being taken out and Stella (who was promoted as a key character in Versus XIII) has been removed completely, hopefully Luna manages to fill her shoes. I still believe that they are still following some of what Nomura wanted like the concepts of "bonding," but they have revised it, cut out the fat, trimmed it, to make that story easier to follow.
 
ArchedThunder said:
No it isn't, what we played was a build practically 2 years before the game's release, that kind of optimization comes much closer to release.
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We know its 2017?

ZeroX03 said:
People have nearly 20 years of expectations. What he promises doesn't really mean jack. And I'm not blaming him but SE put themselves into a situation where they're pretty much guaranteed to alienate half the fanbase. Change it? Heaps of people pissed. Keep it the same? Heaps of people pissed.
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That's what i'm saying. He didn't promise anything, so nobody can be expected in that situation to claim they were tricked if it turns out different then their expectation.

I'm actually more confident in XV since Duscae and the changes. Mostly because I don't think it'll be awful. Tabata has made average - but not bad - games in the past and it looks like he'll be doing it again. Track record speaks louder than promises.
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I really loved Crisis core. I did not love Third Birthday or Type 0. Spotty Track record.

Resolution and framerate don't mean anything until the final stages of development. You know The Last of Us was a broken mess up until days before mastering right? Most games are.
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Eh...i'd like to be as optimistic, but with so many of the concepts not even finalized, its hard to be optimistic they have a hold on this
 
Inuhanyou said:
That's what i'm saying. He didn't promise anything, so nobody can be expected in that situation to claim they were tricked if it turns out different then their expectation.
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Doesn't matter what they claim. People are going to be pissed regardless. It's already starting.

Inuhanyou said:
I really loved Crisis core. I did not love Third Birthday or Type 0. Spotty Track record.
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I think it's fair to say none of them amazing or awful.

Inuhanyou said:
Eh...i'd like to be as optimistic, but with so many of the concepts not even finalized, its hard to be optimistic they have a hold on this
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It is literally the last thing to happen. There's no reason to hold it against them. Pick an amazing game, chances are up until a few months or weeks away from release it ran poorly.
 
Inuhanyou said:
I really loved Crisis core. I did not love Third Birthday or Type 0. Spotty Track record.
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Crisis Core is a Tabata game based on Nomura's FF VII. (I know, he wasn't the director, but he helped with the story I guess? =p)

FF XV is a Tabata game based on Nomura's Versus XIII


Tabata is Nomura's nobody confirmed
 
There will be less outcry over her design if/when she's shown summoning something or wielding a rapier. I'm hoping for both but I'll be glad with whatever story they tell, as long as it's great.
 
I still really can't see why they had to change her name to Lunafreya though. I do like the name, but why?

Even if we assume Tabata is not bullshitting us at all, and she was a passive figure whose character development was entirely related to the progression of the boy's quests instead of actively interacting with the world and progressing at the same time as we do, surely the fact that Stella was perceived to be exactly what he says Luna is (and I do believe him), why not just call her Stella and reassure people that it's exactly what they were hoping for?

What could possibly be the reason for that? Could Nomura just disaprove their vision for Stella, and changing the name be a simple workaround to make it happen? Would Nomura even have the power to stop them from doing whatever they wanted with Stella?
 
I don't think Tabata is an out-an-out liar. If he's saying she has some backbone, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But they would do well to start showing and stop telling.

But then, that goes for every single aspect of this game.
 
wmlk said:
I don't the devs are showing child abuse with Luna and showing her being used for nothing. I think it's apparent that she'll be a pretty powerful character. I've become less worried in that regard over the past day.
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While not apparent, I'm sure there are a millions ways to make her a strong character base on what we've shown so far. The problem is whether Tabata will be able to live up to his words. I certainly don't want another 'strong' female character where all she could do is punch dudes in the face real hard.
 
SougoXIII said:
The problem I have with saying that Versus wouldn't be that much different from XV is that we don't exactly know what Versus is. We don't know how much Nomura have nail down in the term of story and characters. Yes Stella was changed into Luna but do we actually know who Stella is based on what Noruma actually shown us? He might have radically different idea for Stella than 8/9 years ago and iirc he didn't even talk that much about Stella in the 2013 re-branding. The 'old' Stella might be RIP in term of design and character.

The part about him being a perfectionist and wanting to spend alot of time on XV would indicate that he's very uncompromising when it comes to XV.This means that he would have low chance and shipping it in 2017 like you said earlier. That's what I was trying to point out.
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All you need to know is that it was a Nomura game, and that's what followers of Versus XIII wanted from XV.

How do I know that this ISN'T what Nomura wanted is if you read early interviews of XV Nomura wanted completely seamless game combat where they would have no Quick Time Events. What further proves this is that he has removed Reaction Commands from KH3 saying he wanted us to be more in control as it would have been in FFXV. Tabata has added Quick time events with Parrying and the Cross Chain System and I can already see the Titan Fight being QTE filled.

We know Stella was a fighter, it was a clear love/rivalry meant to be almost as if they were equals, their love was a more secretive thing as well.

What we know about Luna is that she was abused as a child and that she is openly getting married to Noctis. We don't know if she will be a rival anymore, if she even has a weapon or can fight.

Spending a lot of time on XV to make a compilation like VII doesn't sound like it would uncompromising. Maybe Versus was really just that big that it would take longer to make.
 
Gbraga said:
I still really can't see why they had to change her name to Lunafreya though. I do like the name, but why?

Even if we assume Tabata is not bullshitting us at all, and she was a passive figure whose character development was entirely related to the progression of the boy's quests instead of actively interacting with the world and progressing at the same time as we do, surely the fact that Stella was perceived to be exactly what he says Luna is (and I do believe him), why not just call her Stella and reassure people that it's exactly what they were hoping for?

What could possibly be the reason for that? Could Nomura just disaprove their vision for Stella, and changing the name be a simple workaround to make it happen? Would Nomura even have the power to stop them from doing whatever they wanted with Stella?
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Stella was named what she was for reasons particular to Versus XIII. Likewise, Luna was named what she was for reasons particular to FFXV. I applaud them for changing her name especially when her character is radically different. It only makes sense.

Inorigo said:
I don't think Tabata is an out-an-out liar. If he's saying she has some backbone, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But they would do well to start showing and stop telling.

But then, that goes for every single aspect of this game.
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Absolutely.
 
wmlk said:
There will be less outcry over her design if/when she's shown summoning something or wielding a rapier. I'm hoping for both but I'll be glad with whatever story they tell, as long as it's great.
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Don't particularly care to see her summoning but seeing her competently hold a weapon would be glorious.
 
YankeeDonB said:
That's... Always how first encounters with Malboros have gone in FF, from well before Dark Souls was a glimmer in Miyazaki's eye.
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I understand that, but it was a bad idea to showcase that as the main point of the trailer without showing any proper combat at all.
 
Modern FF really doesn't need to feature airships in any greater a capacity then what's in FFX/X-2/XII, if at all.

They don't need to recreate every single aspect of the old games in high definition.
 
Ray Down said:
I still remember my rage when I encountered the great ones in FFX and the Bad Breath right off the bat.

So many retries :(
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Ugh, yes. They'd pop up and I'd be like: let me run, let me run! Then boom.

raven777 said:
I understand that, but it was a bad idea to showcase that as the main point of the trailer without showing any proper combat at all.
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I guess, but I don't think they have any polished battle gameplay we haven't already seen in Duscae. Still cool to see Mal, and I got a sympathetic chuckle out of the party wipe.
 
wmlk said:
Stella was named what she was for reasons particular to Versus XIII. Likewise, Luna was named what she was for reasons particular to FFXV. I applaud them for changing her name especially when her character is radically different. It only makes sense.



Absolutely.
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It's just a name though. I know that can also be used to defend the changes, but why not avoid the outrage?
 
Ray Down said:
I still remember my rage when I encountered the great ones in FFX and the Bad Breath right off the bat.

So many retries :(
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I hated trying to get 6 Malboro Tentacles in FFVIII. I forgot to Junction Status Defense... :(

That's something I hope FFXV has, customization. I hope I can equip Noctis and Co. with Ribbons...
 
I personally hope they just change the way you traverse areas, the way Noctis moves is so annoying to look at, and he's way too slow, especially after playing FFXIII/X-HD.
 
wmlk said:
There will be less outcry over her design if/when she's shown summoning something or wielding a rapier. I'm hoping for both but I'll be glad with whatever story they tell, as long as it's great.
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I agree. They should show something to at least ease the doubts we have of her character in general.

I still say they need to do some sort of damage control over today's events :<
 
chozen said:
All you need to know is that it was a Nomura game, and that's what followers of Versus XIII wanted from XV.

How do I know that this ISN'T what Nomura wanted is if you read early interviews of XV Nomura wanted completely seamless game combat where they would have no Quick Time Events. What further proves this is that he has removed Reaction Commands from KH3 saying he wanted us to be more in control as it would have been in FFXV. Tabata has added Quick time events with Parrying and the Cross Chain System and I can already see the Titan Fight being QTE filled.

We know Stella was a fighter, it was a clear love/rivalry meant to be almost as if they were equals, their love was a more secretive thing as well.

What we know about Luna is that she was abused as a child and that she is openly getting married to Noctis. We don't know if she will be a rival anymore.

Spending a lot of time of XV to make a compilation like VII doesn't sound like it would uncompromising. Maybe Versus was really just that big that it would take longer to make.
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Then we're going to circle back to Wan's quote saying that even Noruma can't follow his own vision without problem. It's nice to want a lot of things but the important part is the execution. Can Noruma executed his vision on time and on budget? Square clearly did not think so. So a 'Noruma game' to me is meaningless at this point.

Again I'll say this: Noruma did not elaborate on Stella in the re-branding of 2013. All we know for sure is that he changed her design to make her more 'cute'. How can you be sure that the 'We know Stella was a fighter, it was a clear love/rivalry meant to be almost as if they were equals, their love was a more secretive thing as well.' is still intact when he clearly been messing around with the character: (As a side note- Notics and Stella was never confirmed to be in a romantic relationship)

As for Luna: There are literally less than 20 secs footage of her, of which she wasn't even the focus. Being arrange marriage to Notics doesn't actually mean anything regarding her character - Ashe from 12 was suppose to have a political marriage as well and she's no where near being a weak damsel in distress.
 
Kagari said:
Personally I'd rather they not be in. Just make them fast travel or something like FF12/14.
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That's basically where I'm at.

The point at which you start saying "Well, maybe it'll be DLC" is a silent admition that your plate is full as it is.

Just finish the game.
 
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