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Those numbers are entirely made up. Gaffers often push entirely fictional sales figures to support their narrative.

Those numbers are entirely made up. Gaffers often push entirely fictional sales figures to support their narrative.
We know the units sold is bad because company revenue/profit/cash flow this past quarter is bad, thus investors bailed the fuck out
It is astonishing to see users defending this game when even Ubisoft itself wont disclosure numbers to shareholders...
Thanks to show the desperation level of you bootlickers. Blocked.Did they report sales figures for Valhalla and Mirage?
No, they reported players.
This means, according to you guys, both Valhalla and Mirage underperformed.
Why didn't you guys claim that Valhalla and Mirage failed because Ubisoft didn't disclose sales numbers for those games? Oh, we know why. lol
Thanks to show the desperation level of you bootlickers. Blocked.
Don't worry, I didn't expect you to enjoy factual information.Thanks to show the desperation level of you bootlickers. Blocked.
Logic is bootlicking? I swear some of you are worse than females with how emotional you get over simple discussions.Thanks to show the desperation level of you bootlickers. Blocked.
No, but defending numbers that a corporation does NOT want to you is ;-) Blocked.Logic is bootlicking? I swear some of you are worse than females with how emotional you get over simple discussions.
Can you block me too?No, but defending numbers that a corporation does NOT want to you is ;-) Blocked.
I think the poster in question was just defending common sense, but feel free to block me too.No, but defending numbers that a corporation does NOT want to you is ;-) Blocked.
Can you block me too?
I think the poster in question was just defending common sense, but feel free to block me too.
Much like with Hideki Kamiya, it's an honour!
My feeling is that it severely underperformed but it's sad to see you guys are running with these make-believe numbers. Just a glance would tell you that the figures they're arriving at are speculative at best but people are acting like they're directly quoting from an Ubisoft earnings report, it's pathetic. You're no different than the morons claiming it's a giant success on account of their own fake, made-up numbers
BlockedAgree. If we look at the information we have from Ubisoft then I think the game's performance right now is about average when looking at the AC franchise as a whole. Better than Odyssey (per Ubisoft) at this point, but I doubt it will have the legs that game has had. Obviously not nearly as good as Valhalla. Seems like a middle of the road AC game. Not bad. Not great. I know why we have all the bullshit drama and people getting blocked but it is all so needless. Just look at it factually and the assessment becomes pretty basic.
Why?Did they report sales figures for Valhalla and Mirage?
No, they reported players.
This means, according to you guys, both Valhalla and Mirage underperformed.
Why didn't you guys claim that Valhalla and Mirage failed because Ubisoft didn't disclose sales numbers for those games? Oh, we know why. lol
Why?
Did it?and 4 million player announcement came
Because they want to believe the game flopped.
People rely on poor sales metrics and analysis to push their narrative.
What happened before Ubisoft announced 1 million players? "The game underperformed. That's why they're not making another announcement. Then the 2 million and 4 million player announcement came, and they were still pushing the same narrative.
This game could sell 8 million copies within a year, and they would still call it a flop.
As far as I know 3M is where it topped out.Did it?
The game is a success! You just have to ignore the bad Steam numbers, their stock tanking, and the fact that they're still touting day one milestones to their investors almost two months after launch!4 million players never happened
it stuck at 3 million players even after 2+ months. that's why that 2 to 2.4 million sold estimate is pretty accurate. it's a flop![]()
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4 million players never happened
it stuck at 3 million players even after 2+ months. that's why that 2 to 2.4 million units sold is pretty accurate. it's a flop![]()
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Stuck at 3 million players? Based on what? It's still charting. It's been in the top 20 nearly all month in the US and EU regions on the PS store.
Are you familiar with sales data, or do you just repeat what people say on X? If they announce 6-7 million players later this year, are you going to move the goalpost even further?
You said stuck at 3 million.Had they hit 4 million milestone, they would've announced it, to make the news, to keep the hype going, to keep the game in gamers mind and discussion.
You said stuck at 3 million.
How do you know it's not close to 4, or if it will eventually pass it soon?
The point is that it's still selling and they will likely announce more players and you're still going to move the goalpost. lol
Flop or not, Ubi is dying.. I'm sure that makes the haters happy anyway.Because they want to believe the game flopped.
People rely on poor sales metrics and analysis to push their narrative.
What happened before Ubisoft announced 1 million players? "The game underperformed. That's why they're not making another announcement. Then the 2 million and 4 million player announcement came, and they were still pushing the same narrative.
This game could sell 8 million copies within a year, and they would still call it a flop.
3 million is their last announcement, as far as I'm concerned it's still stuck at 3 million
The point is that it's still selling and they will likely announce more players and you're still going to move the goalpost. lol
I don't think they'll announce every million milestone. No one does that. They could be waiting for 5 or 10 million for all we know.Had they hit 4 million milestone, they would've announced it, to make the news, to keep the hype going, to keep the game in gamers mind and discussion.
The only people moving any goalposts are the people who conflate "players" with "sales". Even if they announce they hit 4 million players, that doesn't mean 4 million sales.
Three people on three different profiles playing a single copy of the game is three "players" but only one sale. Engagement metrics are the ultimate in goalpost shenanigans.
And that's reflected in their stock price. Just like years of Microsoft hiding behind engagement metrics for Game Pass has led them to their current situation where they're rapidly becoming a third party publisher only.
Stuck at 3 million players? Based on what? It's still charting. It's been in the top 20 nearly all month in the US and EU regions on the PS store.
Are you familiar with sales data, or do you just repeat what people say on X? If they announce 6-7 million players later this year, are you going to move the goalpost even further?
3 million is their last announcement, as far as I'm concerned it's still stuck at 3 million
My point is that the numbers will eventually increase. We're likely going to see Ubisoft make more announcements in the future.Eh....if we are going to make fact based arguments then the last announced number is 3 million. I don't think the original point you were making changes if it is 3 or if it is 4 million.
And who said it's at 4M?Ubibros really talking about moving goalposts after claiming they already announced 4m and then saying they might be close to 4m![]()
You?And who said it's at 4M?
My point is that the numbers will eventually increase. We're likely going to see Ubisoft make more announcements in the future.
And who said it's at 4M?
Is that enough to cover the marketing budget? Probably but I saw it everywhere on the net and TV.You think? Lets say 60 bucks per sold game which would be 120m. That's hardly enough to cover the development and all the costs around it.
You?
Yes, I was talking about the 3 million announcement (typed 4 instead of 3) and how people reacted.I think you mispoke when you said "the 2 million and 4 million player announcement came". If that's not what you meant then fine, but that's how I, and obviously others, read it.
Yeah i don't understand what is happening in this thread. It's a flop. It's a flop at 4 million sales. This was the game that was gonna bring it all back. They finally "listened" to gamers after all these years.4 million players never happened
it stuck at 3 million players even after 2+ months. that's why that 2 to 2.4 million sold estimate is pretty accurate. it's a flop![]()
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I guess it will turn a profit eventually, but AC Japan has to be the biggest gimme in Ubisoft's history. 2-3m sales / 3-4m players, two months after launch is nowhere near where it should be imo.
If they're going to have a flagship franchise where breaking even is considered a success and everything else they make is a total disaster, they should stop now before they burn another couple billion on the way to going under.
Yeah i don't understand what is happening in this thread. It's a flop.
When Ubisoft announced 3 million players, Tom Henderson projected ACS to hit 6 million players a month after launch. We're already 2 months in and yet absolute silence on player-count, let alone sales figures. It's this plus the significantly worse weekend-to-weekend Steam CCU retention compared to Odyssey all point to underperformance.Yeah i don't understand what is happening in this thread. It's a flop. It's a flop at 4 million sales. This was the game that was gonna bring it all back. They finally "listened" to gamers after all these years.
They spent 5 years on this game that had the bones already built for years. Just over a million sales on sony. Maybe 3 million players total. That's horrible. Balatoro devs are excited about that number not Ubisoft.
Most games make the majority of their sales the 1st few week to month at retail. This is doa. There's no tail to this game. Got rightfully shit talked on forums with it's 2 protagonist system. This isn't like Days Gone who had sales even as their dev team got shit canned.
Their earnings call is gonna be brutal. Yall don't understand this at all. There's no spinning this. They are gonna go hat in hand to their investors with data that shows a sinking ship. There stock has been declining for years.
Motherfuckers don't even want to hostile take over anymore cause this company sucks.