First reviews for Trank's Fantastic Four hit.

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How can you say they have "nailed" the characters when you never read the comics?

The movie manages to establish several personalities and create an intensely emotional relationship that was actually fascinating; it gave us individuals who only happen to find themselves changed physically. The movie isn't about the heroes. It totally sells the concept PR departments have long tried to sell; that this is about the people, not the icons/heroes. When it actually falls apart (the last 20 mins), is when they become those heroes.

Anyway, I've arrived home. Writing my review...

P.S. Can I use spoiler tags when needed?
 

Neoxon

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Of course she did. She liked Fifty Shades Of Grey and Pixels and didn't like Inside Out.
She also didn't like Guardians & a number of other legitimately good movies. I'm just the messenger, though I personally started to disregard her opinion after she liked Fifty Shades.
 

Fury451

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The movie manages to establish several personalities and create an intensely emotional relationship that was actually fascinating; it gave us individuals who only happen to find themselves changed physically. The movie isn't about the heroes. It totally sells the concept PR departments have long tried to sell; that this is about the people, not the icons/heroes. When it actually falls apart (the last 20 mins), is when they become those heroes.

Anyway, I've arrived home. Writing my review...

P.S. Can I use spoiler tags when needed?

I don't mean to come across as insulting or anything, but I find it very hard to believe you when you say that the movie establishes intense relationships and fleshes them out as characters, when just about every review says the opposite. Many reviews also emphasize how the cast really doesn't have any chemistry together either.
 

Siegcram

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I don't mean to come across as insulting or anything, but I find it very hard to believe you when you say that the movie establishes intense relationships and fleshes them out as characters, when just about every review says the opposite. Many reviews also emphasize how the cast really doesn't have any chemistry together either.
Or when they aren't even on screen together most of the time, according to everyone.
 

AHA-Lambda

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Cross posting my thoughts from OT

Just seen it, yeah it's crap, 2005 one comes off better as a whole film =/

The sad part is, the film feels like 2 different parts. It starts off well, the setup of their expedition and getting their powers is really good. The problem is that's most of the movie, and so it's paced so poorly; after they get their powers, it just meanders for about a half hour before the ending fight scene, and then just ends.

Doom doesn't turn up until right at the end for the only action scene of the film (and he's done very poorly, there's a reason he's not in the adverts), where a bunch of things just happen with no explanation, but somehow Reed knows what he's doing, cos he's the main character I guess.
I don't even know what Doom's powers were supposed to be, they were so undefined. Whatever suits the script? Psychic powers I guess?
Heck, thinking on it actually, Reed uses his powers twice in the whole movie I think? They come off as a hindrance really :p

Thinking on the characters, Ben is barely in the film, and Sue is reduced to the "socially awkward girl". She has no personality beyond that she likes music and has a knack for "pattern recognition", which is there for the sake of one shoehorned scene.
Johnny is a generic dickhead street racer who doesn't get on with his dad.
And Victor is the angsty teenager/20something scientist who thinks all of man is evil.
Reed feels like the only one with a personality to me, he has appropriate backstory and motivation.

Throw in some really bad dialogue and fairly ropey effects, and the 2005 one comes out looking rosey. That got closer to Doom than this did!!
You can see the effort in the film evaporate as it reaches the last act, the actor's delivery genuinely seems to get worse from there. Miles Teller doesn't sound like he's trying =/
I just can't see a sequel to this going ahead frankly.

Oh Moviebob has his vid up too, if it's not been posted already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xbTzn89Qo
 
I'm bringing my cousin to see Jurassic World for his thirteenth birthday this weekend, which means my dad will go see THIS alone and report back instead of asking me to tag along. :B

And yeah, I guess with most of the reviews now up, I...don't have any faith in this movie.
EDIT: Actually, I don't really want to see it at all.
 
You know how in some movies, regardless of whether or not you thought were great, you tend to remember a certain scene that was done really well? The crane chase scene in Casino Royale stands out for me, or the Cap'n using his shield to deflect Iron Man's repulsers during the first Avengers or the first time we see Batman emerge in Rises.

Beyond skimming certain reviews, I didn't go into the theatre with a checklist of flaws that I wanted to see. I went in knowing only that the trailers sucked and that it was getting panned critically. To be honest, my main motivation was to see a trainwreck of a film to fill out the hours of a boring afternoon. Suffice to say, an hour into the movie (I actually check my watch), and I'm wondering where the trainwreck is. And that is largely symbolic of my experience: this is by no means a high quality movie, but I saw nothing that disappointed me; bored me or confused me. If anything, with a mindset set upon expecting a disaster, I'm actually distracted by how good some of the scenes are.

My favourite scene was actually something subtle, something following the accident. We all know what happens and what it leads to, so it shouldn't really stand out and yet it does. Sue is laying on a bed, semi-there and semi-not. And then the camera has a tight frame on the pillow (as if we were looking at a birds eye view). Her eyes fade in partially, and fade out. Her face is somewhat basked in this transparent purple/blue hue. It's quiet. And then they fade in and out again. It's almost peaceful. And then Johnny's eyes, flames and all, open and close, open and close and close. The noise of the flames; the colour of the orange and red; his agony; the contrast in the two scenes that are snapped together really stood out to me.

And then of course we find Ben.

To me, this entire film was a story of Ben and Reed. Ben is a child who seems to want to aspire. As Reed is ridiculed in class by his teacher, Ben looks at his math equations with curiosity as the others laugh. At home, he can't even do his homework without being beat by an elder relative with violent outbursts. He would soon hand a struggling Reed a Swiss knife to turn a screw, a penpocket that he would hold onto to eventually give as a departing gift to his best friend. The contrast between their life paths couldn't be clearer. Ben is pleased for him though, not resentful or struggling to cope with his own misfortune of living next to his family's salvage yard. Reed awkwardly takes a selfie next to the machine 'they built at Baxter Tower (?). He sends it to Ben before insisting he go with them. The manner in which Ben is later transformed the by the accident, and the scene between the two following that, was fucking heart breaking.

I'll go on talking about the positives if people here interested in that. Let me talk about the negatives.

Doom:

I'm reluctant to describe him as a villain before the final fight scene, where the movie goes knee deep in bullshit that I can't even defend. In some ways, he is relatable. His view of Reed goes through periods. At first, he is jokingly dismissive. In moments, he is frightened by how he is able to talk to Sue without pretext, without history. In other moments, he is in awe. Eventually, he comes to like him and follow him.

When we see him as Doom, he is almost a silhouette across the background of a ruined planet. His hood and torn cloak rippling with in something akin to a desert storm. His body and face became fused with the suit. That image of him with his eyes glowing? That's one shot, literally a few seconds. And that is the last time we see him looking that bad. The only thing about the fight scene at the end is that he actually looks menacing, and worn down. The glow on his body is there when he uses his powers, but with his hood/cloak on, we rarely see his body or head glow and so he isn't as CGI-heavy as that image suggests, which is why I said it was misleading. Everything else was shite, but lets not fool ourselves:

Cheesy lines? Check
Predictable scenes? Check
Forced drama? Check.

But you could pick those out in the last Avengers movie, for instance. I think the real cause of concern for me was seeing how they were portrayed as a group of heroes; they were shit. None of their powers looked interesting. The flight scenes of the Torch, however, was exciting to watch but other than that? He dashes balls of fire at people like they were bricks. Sue? She does nothing memorable other than create a force field to protect them. Reed? I've read the criticism of the CGI when it comes to him. It looked stupid. But then I realised his actual power is stupid and intolerably dull.

As an origin, this film works because it focuses on character development. A sequel would however expose them as being a group with uninteresting abilities.
 

Figboy79

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I think my favorite part of this gif is Robbie trying really hard not to laugh along with Jonah.

Oh, yeah, and it's a shame that this movie is terrible.

It's also a shame that Guardians of the Galaxy did the cosmic space adventure stuff already, because an FF movie done in that vein really could have done a lot for the FF brand in film. Just a whole movie with the FF exploring some crazy space anomaly (not necessarily Galactus or the Silver Surfer, but hell, why not?) could have been awesome. I'm not saying that they can't do that because GotG did it, but you know how persnickety people get about "copycats."

I think the IP can be salvaged still. I just think they need to completely forgo another reboot, and just slip them into an existing property, whether X-Men, or giving the rights back to Marvel to have them slotted into the MCU at some point. Then maybe, maybe, try another stand alone movie.

I always thought January Jones would have made a really good Sue Storm, with Aiden Gillen as a perfect, older Mr. Fantastic. I actually liked Michael Chiklis as Ben Grimm, and Chris Evans as Johnny. I haven't decided who a replacement Johnny Storm could be. Maybe the guy from Teen Wolf? Dylan O'Brien?
 
As an origin, this film works because it focuses on character development. A sequel would however expose them as being a group with uninteresting abilities.[/SPOILER]

They should be fine.

Reed would be great with good fight choreography.

I'd rather see Ben in a fight than the Hulk.

Sunspot looked cool in Xmen, son just do Johnny like that.

And let Sue do a little more with her forcefields, not full green lantern but like steps and stuff.

Why do people keep saying this when the incredibles was a good movie?
 

Shaanyboi

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Things could change, but currently this movie has a lower critical score than the following:

X-men: The Last Stand - 58%
Daredevil - 44%
The Phantom - 43%
Wolverine Origins - 38%
Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer - 37%
The Shadow - 35%
Meteor Man - 29%
Fantastic Four - 27%
The Punisher: Warzone - 27%
Ghost Rider - 26%
Green Lantern - 26%
Superman III - 26%
Blade Trinity - 25%
The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lava Girl - 20%
Spawn - 19%
Judge Dredd - 18%
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance - 17%
The Spirit - 14%
Blankman - 13%
Jonah Hex - 12%
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace - 12%
Steel - 12%
Batman & Robin - 11%
Elektra - 10%
Catwoman - 9%
Captain America (90s) - 9%

...
Fant4stic - 8%


... That's mind-blowing.

this is truly a feat for the ages
 

Aurongel

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Our collective criteria and expectations for Superhero pulp films have increased tremendously over the past decade which makes mediocre films stick out that much more today. It's why comparing it's RT score to the truly awful superhero films of the early 2000s is a dumb idea.
 
Our collective criteria and expectations for Superhero pulp films have increased tremendously over the past decade which makes mediocre films stick out that much more today. It's why comparing it's RT score to the truly awful superhero films of the early 2000s is a dumb idea.

Avengers AoU is at 70% and X-Men 1st Class in the 80s, so I'm not sure if your point entirely applies.
 

jmood88

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Just came out of seeing this and I feel comfortable when I say this:

This film is one of the better comic book adaptations in recent memory. Yes, it had a few issues but none of which are unique or as apparent. What is apparent through 3/4 of the film is that it does character development (and relationships) better than most. I will vehemently defend this movie because nowhere in a million years does a film that nails characters like this deserve the scorn it is getting here.

I will write up a full post with details later but I will leave with this:

Don't believe the hype. See it and you will realise it for yourself.
I have no idea who you are so I won't be throwing money away on something based on some random internet guy's opinion.
 

Dalek

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Things could change, but currently this movie has a lower critical score than the following:

X-men: The Last Stand - 58%
Daredevil - 44%
The Phantom - 43%
Wolverine Origins - 38%
Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer - 37%
The Shadow - 35%
Meteor Man - 29%
Fantastic Four - 27%
The Punisher: Warzone - 27%
Ghost Rider - 26%
Green Lantern - 26%
Superman III - 26%
Blade Trinity - 25%
The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lava Girl - 20%
Spawn - 19%
Judge Dredd - 18%
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance - 17%
The Spirit - 14%
Blankman - 13%
Jonah Hex - 12%
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace - 12%
Steel - 12%
Batman & Robin - 11%
Elektra - 10%
Catwoman - 9%
Captain America (90s) - 9%

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Fant4stic - 8%


... That's mind-blowing.

This is an amazing post.

I remember the original trailer thread for this-people were praising the "cinematography" of this movie, just because it happened to be dark.
 

Aurongel

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Avengers AoU is at 70% and X-Men 1st Class in the 80s, so I'm not sure if your point entirely applies.
You going to explain that statement? Because I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.

We're more critical of superhero films than we ever have before. It's a fact, our standards and tolerance for bullshit in them have changed dramatically since the 2000s.
 
Really? I thought they were pretty interesting. The most recent one does a pretty good job describing the making of this disaster of a film. I mean it's an interview, Smith wants him to talk as much as possible.

Yeah, I'll have to check out the latest one at least. Maybe I was in a crappy mood.
 

Syriel

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So what exactly is happening in the end that makes the movie ao extremly shitty?

Have you ever seen a SyFy Original?

Those work because everyone knows that cheese is a part of the factor.

The ending has the writing and the visuals of a SyFy Original, except it's trying to be a blockbuster.
 
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