First reviews for Trank's Fantastic Four hit.

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Neoxon

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And she went into detailed about a positive future for the franchise in Fox's hands. Her list was...
  1. Make peace with Josh Trank...or at least his ideas.
  2. Let go of the comics
  3. Go FULL sci-fi horror!
  4. Apple: Weapons Developer
  5. Visit wonderful Latveria
Yeeeeeaaaaaah, no.
 
So to those who saw it, would you say it's worse than the previous 2?

All this talk of the FF has made me a bit nostalgic to watch the previous two films. I mean, I didn't think they were that bad (certainly not like 30% RT bad), and while they were fun films which felt like they were embracing their comic book roots, they weren't good either.
 
All this talk of the FF has made me a bit nostalgic to watch the previous two films. I mean, I didn't think they were that bad (certainly not like 30% RT bad), and while they were fun films which felt like they were embracing their comic book roots, they weren't good either.

They are 30% RT bad (second much more so than the first), but they are enjoyable train wrecks. And I really liked Julian McMahon as Doom. Rise of the Silver Surfer is especially watchable when paired with it's Rifftrax.
 
I didn't like Rise of the Silver Surfer, it was just all over the place and dull, but I found the first Fantastic Four film was at least enjoyable because it was a bit of a silly romp.
 

But of course he'd say his version was good before studio interference. I mean, is what was written actually good? Is it well directed? Are we really to believe that Fox took his "great" film and fucked it so badly that it's being compared to the likes of Batman & Robin and Catwoman? Or is it more likely that what was there to begin with wasn't especially good?
 
But of course he'd say his version was good before studio interference. I mean, is what was written actually good? Is it well directed? Are we really to believe that Fox took his "great" film and fucked it so badly that it's being compared to the likes of Batman & Robin and Catwoman? Or is it more likely that what was there to begin with wasn't especially good?

Does it matter?

The issue is much less with what Trank thinks of his original version and much more with the fact that studio meddling has resulted in a product that approximately zero people are happy with.
 
And just like that, the audience score has dive bombed from 97% to 37%.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/


Ouch. Simply ouch. You really gotta feel sorry for Trank at this point. A vision that would have been realized only for the execs to take a dump on it and burnt it on Marvel Studios' doorstep. Goshdarnittoheck, Fox!
 

Blade30

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And just like that, the audience score has dive bombed from 97% to 37%.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/



Ouch. Simply ouch. You really gotta feel sorry for Trank at this point. A vision that would have been realized only for the execs to take a dump on it and burnt it on Marvel Studios' doorstep. Goshdarnittoheck, Fox!

Ouch indeed. I didn't know that it already got 91 (100 in total) rotten reviews with a 9% score and ~ 120k user reviews.
 
Well only one thing left is to see if someone makes a Raiders of the Lost Ark gif and slap the Fox logo on the villains that had their heads either ruptured or melted.

They scream at the site of the reviews. Heeheeheehee.
 

DeathyBoy

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Well only one thing left is to see if someone makes a Raiders of the Lost Ark gif and slap the Fox logo on the villains that had their heads either ruptured or melted.

They scream at the site of the reviews. Heeheeheehee.

This isn't the Rothman era though. Maybe the truth is that the film was always a complete mess, and there was no fixing it. By all accounts Trank was fucked up on set as it is, he wasn't removed because 'this film is bad' he was removed because 'dude, you're a fucking mess.' He's just playing damage control now like a petulant child, which makes sense given Chronicle was a long time ago at this point.
 
The movie manages to establish several personalities and create an intensely emotional relationship that was actually fascinating; it gave us individuals who only happen to find themselves changed physically. The movie isn't about the heroes. It totally sells the concept PR departments have long tried to sell; that this is about the people, not the icons/heroes. When it actually falls apart (the last 20 mins), is when they become those heroes.

Anyway, I've arrived home. Writing my review...

P.S. Can I use spoiler tags when needed?

The problem is, no one cares about these characters if they don't have super powers. Unless they are played by Robert Downey Jr. People go to super hero films to see super heroes.

Plus, I hear that
Ben doesn't even meet Sue until the final act.
 

Cuburt

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I think my favorite part of this gif is Robbie trying really hard not to laugh along with Jonah.

Oh, yeah, and it's a shame that this movie is terrible.

It's also a shame that Guardians of the Galaxy did the cosmic space adventure stuff already, because an FF movie done in that vein really could have done a lot for the FF brand in film. Just a whole movie with the FF exploring some crazy space anomaly (not necessarily Galactus or the Silver Surfer, but hell, why not?) could have been awesome. I'm not saying that they can't do that because GotG did it, but you know how persnickety people get about "copycats."

I think the IP can be salvaged still. I just think they need to completely forgo another reboot, and just slip them into an existing property, whether X-Men, or giving the rights back to Marvel to have them slotted into the MCU at some point. Then maybe, maybe, try another stand alone movie.

I always thought January Jones would have made a really good Sue Storm, with Aiden Gillen as a perfect, older Mr. Fantastic. I actually liked Michael Chiklis as Ben Grimm, and Chris Evans as Johnny. I haven't decided who a replacement Johnny Storm could be. Maybe the guy from Teen Wolf? Dylan O'Brien?
I was just thinking of this the other day and I kind of feel that maybe Marvel Studios wanted Guardians of the Galaxy to play as their Fantastic Four, similar to how The Inhumans will be analogs for the X-Men/mutants.

It's not a complete 1:1 analog for FF but besides serving as a way to introduce more far out cosmic ideas, they play as more of a makeshift family than, say, the Avengers do as a team. Even some of their personalities and dynamics on the team could be seen as similar to the FF.

If they ever actually brought FF to the MCU, I think they'd have to emphasize other elements like being more ordinary people with extraordinary powers. The Incredibles really did do a good job of capturing the "superhero family" idea and there still is some great material to mine from that premise but they'd have to sell the characters and how they interact more than the premise alone.

Also, even though the GotG have served as a window to the cosmic universe and introducing a lot of that, the FF could still serve as the people on Earth who are involved with that stuff, who are the first who would get the call, and who would be more knowledgeable about space threats.

I think many people feel that the FF's rogue gallery is more valuable than FF themselves, but if you bring them in, they have to serve a purpose. Personally, I think if they take the angle of pulpy 1960's inspired sci-fi adventures, there is still a goofy-but-fun angle Marvel still has yet to fully utilize in the MCU. I thought they might try to do that with Ant-Man's "Astonishing Tales" origins and powers but it didn't really happen. There were elements of AoU that made me feel as if Whedon's intentions were to make a pulp Silver Age story in modern times but if that was the intention, it seemed to be completely lost on the majority of people. While CA:TFA embraced some of the more pulp elements, especially in the tone of certain scenes, I generally don't think they went for too much of that since they still wanted it to play as serious when Captain America comes to the more "gritty" present.

If Fantastic Four went full-on pulp, even if it wasn't set in the 60's, and allowed the adventures to really seem "fantastical" and sci-fi, I think it can be fun and comic booky without being seen as too corny and campy. Men In Black is a decent reference point for how to approach the concept.
 
The problem is, no one cares about these characters if they don't have super powers. Unless they are played by Robert Downey Jr. People go to super hero films to see super heroes.

Plus, I hear that
Ben doesn't even meet Sue until the final act.

True, and I understand that point. Some will hate the movie because of it isn't a particularly good action movie. That's the difference between this and something like Avengers. Yes, this may do characters better, but super heroes? No. But on what it does well, it does it notably well - good enough for me to enjoy it more than Avengers. So in that sense, some may be surprised.

Ben gets invited to the Baxter Tower by Reed to go into the machine with Victor and Johnny in secret. After the accident, they are all taken to a military installation for a year. It's implied that Ben and the others know of each other, but yes we do not see him with Sue together on screen till the final act.
 

Neoxon

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Can't wait for ComicBookCast's review for Fant4stic. I'm pretty sure Armin's gonna tear this movie to shreds.
 
Never typed up my thoughts in this thread. Saw it last night with my brother and sister and the three of us agree it's a piece of crap. The first half is only better in that it's a little boring instead of full on stupid like the second half. The best parts for me are probably when Ben and Reed are kids (I know shocking) and when they go to the other world. Other then that the first half is a 40 minutes of boring dialog. Reed is the only one that says anything you will care about will the other members fall into stereotype areas and never leave. Doom is probably the worse offender, he is nothing but the jerk character all the way through. Sue character begins and ends with "pattern recognition". Johnny doesn't really have a character other then "screw you dad" and never seemed screamed Johnny storm to me once. And Ben has no character, that's about it.

After the
time skip
we get horrible CG (and like I said in the other thread I'm a CG apologist most of the time) and bad lines thrown left and right by everyone but it gets full stupid when Doom shows up. When he first shows up
he has the ability to blow people's heads up at will but after the go back to the other world he forgets this power and decides to throw rocks at everyone and nothing else. Also some crazy guy that's in love with a world from another dimension is NOT Doom.

All in all thus movie is bad, don't see it. I hope it bombs.

Edit: Also another part that really stuck with me as silly
During the final battle Doom blows off Reeds braces and what not on his suit and Reed falls appart. Apparently staying together was a problem for him the whole time but you never get that impression. He seemed to gain control over his powers when he is making his big escape from the military base. Not once do they hint that he had this problem and I was left scratching my head during that scene because of that.
 
Ouch. Simply ouch. You really gotta feel sorry for Trank at this point. A vision that would have been realized only for the execs to take a dump on it and burnt it on Marvel Studios' doorstep. Goshdarnittoheck, Fox!
Why should anyone feel sorry for Trank?

By most accounts he's a massive asshole.
 

Garlador

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Why should anyone feel sorry for Trank?

By most accounts he's a massive asshole.

I also doubt it would be significantly better either.
Maybe in a "Dominion: The Exorcist" prequel kind of way, which was better than the theatrical... but not by much.

I think he just really wanted to do Chronicle 2 and retrofitted the concept onto the Fantastic Four. But that's not peanut butter and chocolate. That's ketchup and marshmallows. Two tastes don't always taste great together.
 
Plus, I hear that
Ben doesn't even meet Sue until the final act.

Oh, you are right. I didn't even think about that.
Before Ben becomes the Thing the only person he meets is Doom and Johnny. And it's very brief, they don't have a long conversation to get to know one another. When Ben becomes the Thing the only character he talks to and makes eye contact with is Reed. Even in the final battle Sue and Johnny don't make eye contact and don't talk to him in the movie. It's like Reed is talking to his imaginary friend.
 

Escape Goat

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Fantastic Four should] simply be ignored for the unremarkable-and completely familiar-corporate bowel movement that it is. - Luke Goodsell, Movie Mezzanine


Lol
 
I think if Marvel gets the FF back, they should NOT do an origin story. They should have them already set up, and if they need to, they can explain it away that they've been out exploring the Negative Zone or something, and they got their powers while they were there. Introduce them as an established team.

But can you just imagine a stinger where Stark says he has to go to a wedding, and it shows him with the groomsmen, and we pan over to see Reed and Sue getting married?

I agree with the poster that said FF should be a pulpy fun family adventure movie. That's what I've been saying for ages. "It's hard to do the FF concept in a movie" no it fuckin isn't, it's just like any other adventure movie, but the characters are a semi-dysfunctional family and should be written as such. Fantastic Four is NOT a property to make dark, gritty, serious. It can have family drama, of course, but it's a light hearted comedy adventure series.
 

Daft_Cat

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But of course he'd say his version was good before studio interference. I mean, is what was written actually good? Is it well directed? Are we really to believe that Fox took his "great" film and fucked it so badly that it's being compared to the likes of Batman & Robin and Catwoman? Or is it more likely that what was there to begin with wasn't especially good?

The truth is probably cushioned somewhere between Trank's assessment and your own.

Fox definitely tried to salvage the film with the bottom line in mind, and they reshot huge portions of it with next to no involvement from Trank. Why try to salvage it? Because it was bad? If that's the case, they did a really poor job. Trank's cut probably had a stronger vision and a more distinct style. The material was probably "better", but deemed inaccessible and at odds with what Fox felt would draw an audience to a Fantastic Four movie. I suppose it's also possible that some of what Trank shot came across as too "messy" or "amateurish" for a blockbuster, given that he was apparently chasing the Chronicle aesthetic.
 

Kelsdesu

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I really wishI could see what emails are flyingback and forth at FOX. Or any exec, or even the actors. To be an Ant on a wall right now.
 
The truth is probably cushioned somewhere between Trank's assessment and your own.

Fox definitely tried to salvage the film with the bottom line in mind, and they reshot huge portions of it with next to no involvement from Trank. Why try to salvage it? Because it was bad? If that's the case, they did a really poor job. Trank's cut probably had a stronger vision and a more distinct style. The material was probably "better", but deemed inaccessible and at odds with what Fox felt would draw an audience to a Fantastic Four movie. I suppose it's also possible that some of what Trank shot came across as too "messy" or "amateurish" for a blockbuster, given that he was apparently chasing the Chronicle aesthetic.
iirc one of the video reviews mention the rumor that Fox cut two of the action set pieces weeks before filming to cut costs. If that's the case then Trank has an excuse for being pissed off during filming as well as delivering poorly.
 
Oh, you are right. I didn't even think about that.
Before Ben becomes the Thing the only person he meets is Doom and Johnny. And it's very brief, they don't have a long conversation to get to know one another. When Ben becomes the Thing the only character he talks to and makes eye contact with is Reed. Even in the final battle Sue and Johnny don't make eye contact and don't talk to him in the movie. It's like Reed is talking to his imaginary friend.

Actually about characters meeting.
Ben and Sue are both at the science fair, but that is fairly brief and barely interact. And why is Sue carrying around a small bottle of extra-dimensional sand at said science fair?
 
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