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The left of America should worry about Trump
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TheLaughingStock
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Even if we pretended he won, he would need majorities in other parts of government and have a cabinet 2x worse than Bush. I just don't think there are that many high-level batshit/incompetent people out there to pull the strings behind the scenes for anyone to fuck up.
ultratruman
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Trump has since reversed his opinion on universal healthcare, wants to repeal Obamacare, is against abortion and no longer wants to raise taxes for the very wealthy.
He's an agent for the Clintons. If that wasn't obvious before, it should be now.
He's an agent for the Clintons. If that wasn't obvious before, it should be now.
If he's an agent for the Clinton's, he's been running a REALLY LONG endgame here, like before Obama's presidency. If anything they would've pulled this back in 2008 if the goal was to make Hillary's opponents look bad.
He'd have the GOP lockstep from day 1. The Tea partiers in the House and Senate like Cruz and Steve King would fall over themselves in a Trump administration. He'd have no problems getting whatever he wanted.
Trumspiracy
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Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Trump either wants to win, or have Hillary win.
Why? He's dividing the party and making it all but impossible for the GOP to get the votes it desperately needs amongst several groups.
The Republican base is eating his shit up but if they were representative of voter turnout in Presidential elections we'd be living under President McCain or Romney.
I can't decide what's a better outcome for Liberals; Trump gets the nomination and completely drives the campaign into the ground, or Trump runs third party and there's a huge spoiler effect on the GOP's nominee.
The Republican base is eating his shit up but if they were representative of voter turnout in Presidential elections we'd be living under President McCain or Romney.
I can't decide what's a better outcome for Liberals; Trump gets the nomination and completely drives the campaign into the ground, or Trump runs third party and there's a huge spoiler effect on the GOP's nominee.
It's a temping one for sure. Dots connect.
Even if Trump would somehow manage a win, aside from an execute decisions, he'd be roadblocked by all the Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate lol. He's too extreme for a vast majority of them (yes, even the Republicans). Someone would have to genuinely coach/mold him into being a leader and his ego is way too huge for that to happen lol.
PlayALLtheGames
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No, they should enjoy the infighting he has created in the Republican party and its fanbase.
Best part is Trump won't even get the GOP nomination and is threatening to go Independent. If that really happens...hahaha
Best part is Trump won't even get the GOP nomination and is threatening to go Independent. If that really happens...hahaha
I see people have started trying to talk themselves into the belief that the Repubs actually have a flying chance in hell.
I sort of missed it last election cycle, but its fun to watch it happen in real time this season. Little by little, people trying to find some way to convince themselves that the one sided blowout we ALL know is coming; isn't looming.
Election night all the images, memes, tears and rants will once again stretch across the internet as these same people snap back to their senses and ask themselves "The fuck were we thinking".
I sort of missed it last election cycle, but its fun to watch it happen in real time this season. Little by little, people trying to find some way to convince themselves that the one sided blowout we ALL know is coming; isn't looming.
Election night all the images, memes, tears and rants will once again stretch across the internet as these same people snap back to their senses and ask themselves "The fuck were we thinking".
The amount of money going in to the campaigns and to the eventual nominee's of both parties is insane. We're talking perhaps billion+ per candidate to flood the airwaves and all form of media with a clear message... elect x candidate of x party.
In that sense there's always some uneasiness.
Azure Dream
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Trump does worry me. I see a lot of the same growing attitude about him that gave W. Bush a big push. Except he now directly speaks to the element of crazy (/racist) the Republican party has been cultivating for a while now.
Retromelon
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If thats the case i hope donald rumsfeld comes out of retirement for the good of the nation
ultratruman
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Hillary was not the default democratic candidate in 2008 like she is now, and it was not her last chance to be President in 2008 like it is now. There's also no clear way Trump or anyone else could've sabotaged Obama's campaign without also hurting team Hillary.
Anyone who knows the political history of the Clintons will know how ruthless they are when it comes to wagging the dog. When you consider Trump's bizarre behaviour: the policy reversals, the daily outrageous comments, the threats of running as an independent, it should be clear he does not want to be seen as presidential. He wants to turn the GOP primaries into The Trump Show, and help out his old friends in the process.
speculawyer
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Boombloxer
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And she sells children while saluting Nazi while hunting animals, also revealed to be Atheist.
I think that might do it.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Every election there are always those people, on both sides, who are like "OH MAN IF SO AND SO WINS I AM GOING TO CANADA".
The draft was abolished. You are going to be ok unless you are poor in which case not even Bernie Sanders might not help all that much as president given all the hurdles to clear.
Gotta agree. My mom has decided she hates Sanders for whatever reason. She's a die hard democrat/left. She even says if he won the primary she'd vote for the Republican (with caveat that it would depend on the Republican. I am not sure what she'd do if Trump won cause I know she hates him. She's hated him since at least the 90's if not before).
The only specific reasons she gave me for disliking Sanders so much is his stance on gun control (She wants more of it) and the confederate flag (she wants the federal government to ban it). Neither of which in my opinion is more important than a lot of other issues (especially the flag issue) and also... even more ridiculous, neither of which the Republican candidate is most likely going to be any better (in her POV) anyways!!!! It's like she'd cut off her nose to spite her face.
(Honestly I think she just wants Hillary for whatever reason and is pissed at Sanders for daring to run against her but of course realizes how stupid that sounds so found some other reason to hate him. But that's just total conjecture cause I really can't understand why she hates him that much given what she's told me. For her to say she'd vote a Republican over him says she really hates him though).
Well, at least she likes Elizabeth Warren. I'm still mystified whey she hates Sanders so much.
Did OP watch the debate? Trump said very clearly that he is no longer for single payer healthcare. He wants to return to a fully privatized system, repeal Obamacare, and do something to help people "who can't help themselves." It is true that in the past Trump's positions have been all over the place. But he is now firmly a conservative republican. Call it pandering or whatever but that's what he says.
Elfforkusu
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I think more than anything Trump is an indication that non-politicians with money have huge potential as general election candidates.
This is what you get when you alienate the entire electorate. The parties might end up embracing celebrity figureheads as their public "leaders".
This is what you get when you alienate the entire electorate. The parties might end up embracing celebrity figureheads as their public "leaders".
MHWilliams
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Trump is no longer for a single-payer healthcare system. He said as much last night.
Rentahamster
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I would find it really funny what happens to people using trump ironically as their avatar if he actually looks like he'd be a contender for the presidency. Do you keep rolling with it? If so, then he's a goddamn genius.
TheLaughingStock
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Then the left gets a socialist Marxist outsider from Nigeria whose campaign platform boils down to I'm not Trump. He or she will have Obama/Clinton advisors and end up being a mixed bag for 8 years as president cleaning up Trump's mess. Then, Repubs will turn to Marco Rubio for President and the world will end.
Or Hilary will win and do some stuff.
This isn't even close to happening. The democratic party is growing and Trump is only a threat to the republican party in a general election in that if he runs as an independent he will take 10 to 15 percent of their votes. He is a blip among independents and a complete zero with democrats.
crowdpac has him as one of the most centrist republican candidates. he is the perfect republican candidate for the left. his chances in the general are very shaky and thus comforting, and him being so close to the center helps drag the general from the center-right back to the center.
https://www.crowdpac.com/elections/2016-presidential-election
Lol at this image. Almost all of the policies that Sanders and Clinton support are also supported by a majority of US voters but it makes it out to look like they are as extreme as fucking Mike "marching-jews-to-the-furnace" Huckabee or Ben "prison-makes-you-gay" Carson.
Mermandala
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His popularity ballooned on bizarre comments that destroyed any chance he had to get a significant enough percentage of the Hispanic vote.
Elfforkusu
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What percentage of the electorate actually votes, though? It's not pretty.
Trump is pandering to try to
I'm saying: imagine if it was what he was after? The polling numbers are really surprising. And, I'm saying, potentially predictive of future elections...
OrangeGrayBlue
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The left of America should send flowers and chocolate to Trump for exposing the GOP base for what it is. If he wins the nomination or runs as an independent, he deserves a national holiday. 16 years of democratic presidency would be outstanding.
This whole "Trump is Clinton's mole" conspiracy is one of the stupidest crap I've ever heard. 9/11 is more possible to have been orchestrated by government than Trump simply faking this so Hillary could win.
He is probably still good friends with Clinton's and probably will forever be one, and I personally believe Trump himself doesn't want the actual job and the joke he plays for TV attention is getting all too real even for him now. But if someone is going to say seriously this was orchestrated by Clintons, I'm going to laugh.
He is probably still good friends with Clinton's and probably will forever be one, and I personally believe Trump himself doesn't want the actual job and the joke he plays for TV attention is getting all too real even for him now. But if someone is going to say seriously this was orchestrated by Clintons, I'm going to laugh.
minor effort
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Yeah, the starting point on that line should go well past Bernie Sanders on the left, unrepresented by anyone. When was the last time the Democrats had anyone running as extreme as whom Republicans seem to find every four years?
TheOctodad
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I love that Trump is exposing much of this political theater as the farce that it is. Bring it on.
So imagine if he was Ross Perot who tapped into the same voter dissatisfaction towards both parties and accomplished all of nothing in the general election? If anything, Super Pacs make it easier than ever for political candidates from both parties to match the self-funded deep pocket campaign of any future eccentric billionaire.
The republican party is experiencing a great deal of internal conflict but the 2 major parties are no where near imploding or losing their respective locks on American voting blocs.
Gonna hit a few points covered across this thread:
1. Trump ain't nothing to worry about for the Ds. His unfavorables are absurd with most of the population. He turns lean right voters into hard left votes, hence why HRC beats him in a recent poll done in Kentucky. Fucking KENTUCKY. He gets the extreme right fringe out in droves though, and the Tea Party has turned that into the dominant force in the primaries.
2. Sanders is not Obama. Hell, Obama isn't/wasn't Obama. He was a valid candidate to be sure who got early traction with a strong showing in Iowa, but what really did Clinton (and McCain) in was that Obama's campaign was literally a decade ahead of the field in utilizing social media to rally voters, organize voting pools and, most importantly, extract funding. His outreach machine was unprecedented across the globe. It is now effectively being rolled over to HRC, I'm sure as some sort of horsetrading for Bill Clinton's ardent public support and campaigning last election.
3. Where did this "Hillary has no personality" bullshit come from? She has always been a unique, charismatic individual. She's a damn good interview, whether that is on the Daily Show/Colbert where it's superficial politics and jokes or in a hard hitting political wonk session with the more "serious" journalists. Her campaign is going to get about a year of negative/attack ad free play before the general to mend her negatives that do not stem from a lack of personality, they stem from the fact that when it comes to politics she's a cold, calculating, strategist who knows what she is doing 99% of the time. Basically, she's the HBIC but nobody actually likes the HBIC, they just respect the game. They'll soften that image before any rich white guy from the GOP starts lobbing grenades at her, and then much of it will look like angry white man syndrome run amok.
4. The best strategy the GOP has is Kasich/Rubio as POTUS/VP. The other way doesn't work because Rubio is still wet behind the ears and made a flat out statement last night that HRC's resume trounces the GOP field. Kasich has governor credentials, is moderate enough to not alienate the massive middle swath of voters, and would pull Ohio red. Rubio helps with hispanics and pulls Florida their way as well. That is the GOP ticket with a chance, but it's looking more and more like Kasich is going to get slapped down by the John Huntsman Effect (i.e. moderates and lefties consider him pallet-able, so GOP primary voters just assume he's awful).
5. People seriously under-estimate the "first woman president" pull HRC is going to get, or the bounce she'll see from older democrats who secretly didn't want to pull the lever for a black guy with a weird name. If you think black voter turnout is going to decline shortly after cops have been murdering black kids in the streets of most major metropolitan areas while the GOP claps from the sidelines you're fucking high.
Everything is queued up, HRC and Bill are too damn good on the big stage and this time she's running effectively unopposed. They didn't see the coming of social media as a major political force. Obama and Axelrod did. That is the one time they've ever been tripped up. You're talking about a couple who took Jeb's daddy's job when he was the sitting POTUS on the heels of St. Ronnie and actually had the country headed on a decent enough path. They live for that Red v. Blue chess match.
1. Trump ain't nothing to worry about for the Ds. His unfavorables are absurd with most of the population. He turns lean right voters into hard left votes, hence why HRC beats him in a recent poll done in Kentucky. Fucking KENTUCKY. He gets the extreme right fringe out in droves though, and the Tea Party has turned that into the dominant force in the primaries.
2. Sanders is not Obama. Hell, Obama isn't/wasn't Obama. He was a valid candidate to be sure who got early traction with a strong showing in Iowa, but what really did Clinton (and McCain) in was that Obama's campaign was literally a decade ahead of the field in utilizing social media to rally voters, organize voting pools and, most importantly, extract funding. His outreach machine was unprecedented across the globe. It is now effectively being rolled over to HRC, I'm sure as some sort of horsetrading for Bill Clinton's ardent public support and campaigning last election.
3. Where did this "Hillary has no personality" bullshit come from? She has always been a unique, charismatic individual. She's a damn good interview, whether that is on the Daily Show/Colbert where it's superficial politics and jokes or in a hard hitting political wonk session with the more "serious" journalists. Her campaign is going to get about a year of negative/attack ad free play before the general to mend her negatives that do not stem from a lack of personality, they stem from the fact that when it comes to politics she's a cold, calculating, strategist who knows what she is doing 99% of the time. Basically, she's the HBIC but nobody actually likes the HBIC, they just respect the game. They'll soften that image before any rich white guy from the GOP starts lobbing grenades at her, and then much of it will look like angry white man syndrome run amok.
4. The best strategy the GOP has is Kasich/Rubio as POTUS/VP. The other way doesn't work because Rubio is still wet behind the ears and made a flat out statement last night that HRC's resume trounces the GOP field. Kasich has governor credentials, is moderate enough to not alienate the massive middle swath of voters, and would pull Ohio red. Rubio helps with hispanics and pulls Florida their way as well. That is the GOP ticket with a chance, but it's looking more and more like Kasich is going to get slapped down by the John Huntsman Effect (i.e. moderates and lefties consider him pallet-able, so GOP primary voters just assume he's awful).
5. People seriously under-estimate the "first woman president" pull HRC is going to get, or the bounce she'll see from older democrats who secretly didn't want to pull the lever for a black guy with a weird name. If you think black voter turnout is going to decline shortly after cops have been murdering black kids in the streets of most major metropolitan areas while the GOP claps from the sidelines you're fucking high.
Everything is queued up, HRC and Bill are too damn good on the big stage and this time she's running effectively unopposed. They didn't see the coming of social media as a major political force. Obama and Axelrod did. That is the one time they've ever been tripped up. You're talking about a couple who took Jeb's daddy's job when he was the sitting POTUS on the heels of St. Ronnie and actually had the country headed on a decent enough path. They live for that Red v. Blue chess match.
How's your socialist Marxist going to win when the Trump administration restricts minority voting and allows states to break all sorts of voting rules, backed up by his GOP Supreme Court?
Dominican Power
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The only Latinos voting for Rubio are Cubans. Mexicans ain't fucking with Rubio.
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The Debbie-Downers on Hillary here remind me of the constant "It's all over now, Obama blew it, Obama has no chance, omg Republicans are taking over" that was happening constantly here on GAF for years. It was always a doom scenario on the left and yet Obama has been doing great.
Hillary will knock this out. All she has to do is push for parental leave and that kind of stuff. Sealed. Even the right-leaning folks will end up voting for her once in the booth if she's making a strong pro-family (as in helping families, not pro-family as in anti-gay or anti-abortion).
I mean listen to the debate from yesterday, it used to be all about war and cutting taxes and accessible healthcare is evil and the immigrants to "well I'm a pretty good candidate". The Republicans have no strong position that resonates with the public anymore beyond fringery supported by a minority of fringe voters.
Hillary will knock this out. All she has to do is push for parental leave and that kind of stuff. Sealed. Even the right-leaning folks will end up voting for her once in the booth if she's making a strong pro-family (as in helping families, not pro-family as in anti-gay or anti-abortion).
I mean listen to the debate from yesterday, it used to be all about war and cutting taxes and accessible healthcare is evil and the immigrants to "well I'm a pretty good candidate". The Republicans have no strong position that resonates with the public anymore beyond fringery supported by a minority of fringe voters.
Unknown Soldier
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Hardly. Trump took one look at how Hillary has the entire Democratic party marching in lockstep behind her, and one look at the Thunderdome-like chaos on the Republican side, and decided he was going to be a Republican. He wasn't going to beat Hillary to the Democratic nomination, but on the GOP side at this point I think Lex Luthor could be a credible candidate for them.
Talonz
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Running as a Republican is the best way to win a nomination because you know why? You don't have to offer any facts. Facts just don't exist for the base. This is why Trump is so ahead right now. I just hope Trump being ahead leads to facts being needed to win because right now facts don't matter.
The Albatross
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I doubt that this graphic is a median of the American voting populace (But rather, a scale of prominent politicians), because if it were, then every candidate would be in the center, with Sanders ticking slightly to the left and Rand Paul ticking slightly to the right. I think you underestimate the extreme plurality of opinion in the country.
It totally is possible do worse than Bush, actually show up to fucking work instead of taking over a year off in vacation.
Trump in the general: "I played the game, those dummies bought it! Here is my real platform!"
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