Fighting Games Weekly |8/10-16| Gods(Beard) Among Us
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Karsticles
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Rookiejet, want to play now?
She doesn't have traps.
No puppet.
No real projectiles.
No armor (right?).
Her normals are too stubby to space people out.
I am not seeing how my description is inaccurate. She is a very straightforward rushdown character. She wants to get in that ass and never leave, and her only way of getting in is rushing in. She can't play like Rachel and cover her approach with wind + pumpkin, or summon a sword on top of you.
It's cool to like a basic character like that. I watched 6 minutes of that video and didn't see any conflicting evidence. She is a lot like Jam in her toolset, though Jam is probably a more complicated character due to her charge system. You have fantastic fundamentals, so you excel with a character like that. My fundamentals are just decent, so I need to pick the cheap stuff.
Was Makoto throwing out that orb and jump blocking an attempt to bait out a DP? She kept doing that, but never got anything off of it.
Yeah, but she just wants to get in and RTSD, and she doesn't have a lot of interesting neutral tools.
She doesn't have traps.
No puppet.
No real projectiles.
No armor (right?).
Her normals are too stubby to space people out.
I am not seeing how my description is inaccurate. She is a very straightforward rushdown character. She wants to get in that ass and never leave, and her only way of getting in is rushing in. She can't play like Rachel and cover her approach with wind + pumpkin, or summon a sword on top of you.
It's cool to like a basic character like that. I watched 6 minutes of that video and didn't see any conflicting evidence. She is a lot like Jam in her toolset, though Jam is probably a more complicated character due to her charge system. You have fantastic fundamentals, so you excel with a character like that. My fundamentals are just decent, so I need to pick the cheap stuff.
Was Makoto throwing out that orb and jump blocking an attempt to bait out a DP? She kept doing that, but never got anything off of it.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
it's like a balanced version of millia's disk so yup.
and having to make reads 24/7 and bait is not straightforward you need to know the whole cast. To me a straight forward rushdown character doesnt need to worry much and can do what they want.
She's basic in the options you work with sense but it requires a lot of work to be good with it
Sure. I'm jumping on now
irfaanator
Banned
keep it on the low down about anime. shit's getting heated on the otherside
Karsticles
Member
You know what Q? If they make Xrd lobbies like BB ones, I will dive in to the next version.
To you, "straightforward" means that you get to play your gameplan out without serious opposition. I...don't think that character exists in most games.
To me, "straightforward" means that your game plan has a clear path due to either limited options or a set of options being so good that you always want to utilize them.
Lambda isn't straightforward, because no matter where she is on the screen, she has several warp swords she can use to take control of the neutral. She has a good number of options to consider at any one point, and there is rarely a clear cut best option. She may even want to approach, or use Gravity (caution: I have no idea how Lambda plays now; speaking from a CS perspective).
Rachel isn't straightforward because you have to weigh various projectiles to put on the screen, when to use your wind in the neutral, how to aim the wind, when to light up the seed posts, etc. You can zone, then wind in and rush, etc. She has a lot of options in the neutral.
Makoto has a limited option set of options, and she always has the same goal: get in ASAP with a good melee hit. In my mind, she is very straightforward.
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ID is ei3k
PW gaf
Ah, I see where we are conflicting.
To you, "straightforward" means that you get to play your gameplan out without serious opposition. I...don't think that character exists in most games.
To me, "straightforward" means that your game plan has a clear path due to either limited options or a set of options being so good that you always want to utilize them.
Lambda isn't straightforward, because no matter where she is on the screen, she has several warp swords she can use to take control of the neutral. She has a good number of options to consider at any one point, and there is rarely a clear cut best option. She may even want to approach, or use Gravity (caution: I have no idea how Lambda plays now; speaking from a CS perspective).
Rachel isn't straightforward because you have to weigh various projectiles to put on the screen, when to use your wind in the neutral, how to aim the wind, when to light up the seed posts, etc. You can zone, then wind in and rush, etc. She has a lot of options in the neutral.
Makoto has a limited option set of options, and she always has the same goal: get in ASAP with a good melee hit. In my mind, she is very straightforward.
Getting on now.
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ID is ei3k
PW gaf
illumi x killua
Arc Divide at UGC in SoCal is going on today, and we have 3 streams going.
www.twitch.tv/ROTANIBOR
-Hokuto no Ken (starts shortly), and Vampire Savior after that.
www.twitch.tv/numakie
-Currently streaming Persona, moving onto Guilty Gear Xrd
www.twitch.tv/UGClive
-Currently streaming BlazBlue, moving onto Skullgirls and then something else afterwards.
Not sure who is going to stream it, but we also have UNIEL, GG+R, and a few other games coming up as well. Kind of just deciding who streams what as the games come up.
www.twitch.tv/ROTANIBOR
-Hokuto no Ken (starts shortly), and Vampire Savior after that.
www.twitch.tv/numakie
-Currently streaming Persona, moving onto Guilty Gear Xrd
www.twitch.tv/UGClive
-Currently streaming BlazBlue, moving onto Skullgirls and then something else afterwards.
Not sure who is going to stream it, but we also have UNIEL, GG+R, and a few other games coming up as well. Kind of just deciding who streams what as the games come up.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBlvq35hoRo
Smug, online salt. That was too funny, especially losing to some Dudley troll.
Smug, online salt. That was too funny, especially losing to some Dudley troll.
That was....actually pretty good! A whole production coordinated with the live stream, gotta give it to Max, he puts work
but dude, someone donated $1987! c'mon.... he's pretty close to reach $3k just tonight
Karsticles
Member
I think variable wakeup times are now my most hated mechanic.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I think BB does it better. You have complete control over how you get up, but if lay down too long you can be hit for a new combo.
I wanted to watch Max's thing but then Chinese food called my name.
The first match, the salt is so good.
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YO SMUG HOLD DAT L SON!
*goes super saiyan*
The first match, the salt is so good.
Edit:
YO SMUG HOLD DAT L SON!
*goes super saiyan*
May I also join your lobby? If our connections sucks, I will just leave or just watch. I'm pretty bad but I want to get some Sin/zato experience
Parallax Scroll
Banned
DryEyeRelief
Member
doing a live assist me is really impressive
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Where'd James Chen go
Karsticles
Member
Sorry for the piss poor showing so far, rookiejet. All of my setups aren't panning out for some reason. Does Sin have fewer pre-jump frames than some other characters? I am not used to people being able to just jump out of the sandwich, but maybe I am just not performing tight enough.
My execution is terrible all over the place. Not sure what is wrong with me tonight. :/
My execution is terrible all over the place. Not sure what is wrong with me tonight. :/
That is cool. If I knew I had to think about it, I would be fine with it. But I hate my muscle memory fucking up all of my setups because of this awful decision.
Sure.
No, I don't think you're performing it tight enough (also I'm a dumbass who will attempt to jump out anyways instead of just blocking). Also your neutral and reads are waaay more on-point, I'm getting by with your lack of knowledge of the match-up (and Sin's damage). Don't respect the pressure I'm doing, you can mash in a lot of places where I end a string (I don't go for frametraps as often)
Karsticles
Member
Alright, I need to tighten it up,then. Usually I spend time in training mode to practice the loop before fighting.
When should I be mashing out? I know I can beat the overhead with 2H, but I mash it too soon and get counterhit.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Rookiejet let me know when you want that Salty Runback.
I agree with all of those except for Justice. She's pretty standard mecha anime nonsense.
A.B.A on the other hand...
Lostconfused
Member
But Baiken is also standard anime nonsense.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
And then everything was standard anime nonsense.
A lot less standard than Justice.
I mean, I can't remember how many other times I've seen a female samurai with a grappling hook in the place of a missing arm, but I can name several instances of a person in a robot suit known as a gear.
Against me, when I end in 2d. Against a better player, mind the amount of food meter they have. They might late cancel 2p>2k>2d into Elk Hunt (slide) to frame trap you, and or frame trap you in that string itself, and or late cancel Elk Hunt into Beak Driver, or Beak Driver into its multi-hit followup
edit: how about u play honest chars, Q huh >:|
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Uh lol
Am I off base? I mean, I haven't exactly brushed up on my Guilty Gear lore in a while. I can bust out the scriptures and get back to you though.
ShinMaruku
Member
Any fighting game players that does not play western fighting games disparage other fighting games as anime, well they are hypocrites. :E
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Am I off base? I mean, I haven't exactly brushed up on my Guilty Gear lore in a while. I can bust out the scriptures and get back to you though.
No armor justice
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
ShinMaruku
Member
Gears are bioweapons. Justice is just a former human who became a gear. Just like Sol. She's also Dizzy's mum.
Also remember Sol is a gear. He is the FIRST and is the titular guilty gear.
Also remember Sol is a gear. He is the FIRST and is the titular guilty gear.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Rofl....I had no idea Justice was even a woman. Shows how much I pay attention to fighting game stories.
ShinMaruku
Member
Guilty Gear has a pretty decent story. Sadly some of it is in small novels and radio plays in Japanese. But yeah Justice was a beaitiful lady that was turned into a gear.
Okay, so I'll take the L on her backstory. That's cool. It's also not really my point.
My point is that this:
Isn't a very interesting design in the grand scheme of Guilty Gear characters. If they choose to make her look the way that she does in the pic that you shared earlier though, that's a different story.
ShinMaruku
Member
Her design is to be a subversion. They wanted a the character to not be what people expect her to be. These guys kill me though, the director did not want people to creepy on May and Millia so he made Dizzy to grab all the creepers then trolls them by saying she's 3. XD
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I get that, and that's great for the lore monsters, but at the end of the day what you are seeing during the match is anime/manga mecha 101, and I just don't find that interesting compared to a lot of the more inspired and crazy shit that they have going on in that series.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
A good tip is that trying to convince someone that what they find interesting is not interesting will never work. I mean if you're making a personal statement then that's fine obviously, but if your intent is to convince then I think you'll find that your success rate will be around 0%.
Karsticles
Member
Telling people what not to do isn't helpful. Telling them what to do is.
I don't think I'm trying to convince anyone that it shouldn't be interesting to them. I'm just saying that I think that A.B.A's design is a lot more interesting than Justice's design, and would rather see her take a spot in Xrd. At least unless they go a completely different direction with Justice than they have in the past.