History of Metal Gear & PlayStation Promo Video "Finally the conclusion will be told"

For anyone curious, Kojima's trailer is still in the works:
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Echoenigma said:
I don't really know why they're hyping this up as "the conclusion". MGS2 was the conclusion. MGS3 was the prequel, and MGS4 was an alternate conclusion for people who didn't understand that MGS2 was the conclusion.

MGSV isn't going to conclude anything. It's going to be a character story about a very important character, but the largest plot threads have all been wrapped up for years.
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Echoenigma said:
I don't really know why they're hyping this up as "the conclusion". MGS2 was the conclusion. MGS3 was the prequel, and MGS4 was an alternate conclusion for people who didn't understand that MGS2 was the conclusion.

MGSV isn't going to conclude anything. It's going to be a character story about a very important character, but the largest plot threads have all been wrapped up for years.
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MGS4 was the conclusion. Headcanon doesn't count.
 
Kenzodielocke said:
Well, The Boss's AI is in this. I am a believer that this will be a huge part in the game.
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I'm sure the Boss's AI will be somehow responsible for the Patriot AI.
 
EatChildren said:
I'm sure the Boss's AI will be somehow responsible for the Patriot AI.
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Unless PW was retconned, the foundation for Patriot AI was in development before the Boss AI came into equation.

Also, I highly doubt Kojima will make anything related to the Boss a direct conduit for something evil.
 
cackhyena said:
Now you know I think you're bonkers, but I don't think even you believe that statement.
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I won't call it the best, but I do believe it is a worthy conclusion that I wouldn't trade for many many other game.

Anyway, we're getting into clashing opinions.

Edit : removed that stupid line.
 
EatChildren said:
The only really unanswered question is why/how BIG BOSS AKA PUNISHED "VENOM" SNAKE rejoins the USA military as advisor to SOLID SNAKE at Foxhound while his side chick Outer Heaven thrives. And I mean, you could easily deduce how this pays out from the end of MGS3, which is all the series needed, but along came MGS4 and Peace Walker which fucked around with the whole Zero/Big Boss split, the Boss's will, and (for the time being) Big Boss essentially hounded by Zero from the USA with zero interest in returning.
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He's changing this, guaranteed.
 
Speaking of this, is there a good video out there explaining the plot so far? I've played all the modern games in the series but want to revisit the story so far so I'm completely on board with everything this throws at us!

TLDR: Previously on Metal Gear Solid...
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
And getting proper education when the conflict is over... Holy hell, Solid Snake didn't make Sunny play with guns...
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why shouldn't snake give guns to sunny and the kids?

Both Snake's american isn't? A country without guns ain't 'Murica! And.....and.....2nd Amendment and something!!! 'Murica, fuck yeah!! *burp* /S
 
cackhyena said:
Now you know I think you're bonkers, but I don't think even you believe that statement.
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Really now? There is no better way the series could have ended.
That last scene with Big Boss dying in front of her former master's grave was pure perfection.
The music, the environment, the dialogue (Could've been a lot shorter, but it was cool anyways) and that final shot... Damn... T_T
 
EatChildren said:
The only really unanswered question is why/how BIG BOSS AKA PUNISHED "VENOM" SNAKE rejoins the USA military as advisor to SOLID SNAKE at Foxhound while his side chick Outer Heaven thrives. And I mean, you could easily deduce how this pays out from the end of MGS3, which is all the series needed, but along came MGS4 and Peace Walker which fucked around with the whole Zero/Big Boss split, the Boss's will, and (for the time being) Big Boss essentially hounded by Zero from the USA with zero interest in returning.
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Yeah.

It seems like you have to get Big Boss, Kaz, Ocelot,
Eli(?)
and
Mantis(?)
over to Foxhound somehow.

At first I thought that 'Diamond Dogs' might have been a division of Foxhound (the name would make sense), but that seems less and less likely. It seemed like it could have been explained away by Diamond Dogs being a division of Foxhound that Big Boss takes direct control of post-coma and that isolated division ending up going AWOL, forming Outer Heaven. But that doesn't seem to fit anymore.

If Kojima even bothers trying to answer that question I'd be interested in seeing what he comes up with.
 
maybe Metal Gear SOLID is truly ending.....and Konami will just focus on outsourcing to 3rd party to continue it as Metal Gear Rising, Metal Gear Alkaline or something.....

The age of SOLID is over.
 
Alienous said:
Yeah.

It seems like you have to get Big Boss, Kaz, Ocelot,
Eli(?)
and
Mantis(?)
over to Foxhound somehow.

At first I thought that 'Diamond Dogs' might have been a division of Foxhound (the name would make sense), but that seems less and less likely. It seemed like it could have been explained away by Diamond Dogs being a division of Foxhound that Big Boss takes direct control of post-coma and that isolated division ending up going AWOL, forming Outer Heaven. But that doesn't seem to fit anymore.

If Kojima even bothers trying to answer that question I'd be interested in seeing what he comes up with.
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i also don't understand why is there a need to create Diamond Dogs and a new motherbase when Snake already created Militaire Sans Frontier and Motherbase in Peace Walker and it served the exact function. The ones in Phantom Pain is just a repeat of Peace Walker. Did Kojima forgot about Outer Heaven and Foxhound?
 
EatChildren said:
The only really unanswered question is why/how BIG BOSS AKA PUNISHED "VENOM" SNAKE rejoins the USA military as advisor to SOLID SNAKE at Foxhound while his side chick Outer Heaven thrives. And I mean, you could easily deduce how this pays out from the end of MGS3, which is all the series needed, but along came MGS4 and Peace Walker which fucked around with the whole Zero/Big Boss split, the Boss's will, and (for the time being) Big Boss essentially hounded by Zero from the USA with zero interest in returning.
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Very simple. Big Boss will eventually pretend to make peace with Zero. He returns to the US, assumes command of FOXHOUND and makes his sporadic trips to oversee Outer Heaven as well.

I bet this is what will happen at the end of MGSV. We will see Big Boss making his plan to fool Zero into believing he's "back".
 
All I want is another retcon to Ocelot's story.

This game needs to end with one last phone call to the President from Ocelot where he explains that he tricks Big Boss into believing that hypnotherapy is possible and a valid plot device and then everyone laughs and laughs.
 
lord_lad said:
i also don't understand why is there a need to create Diamond Dogs and a new motherbase when Snake already created Militaire Sans Frontier and Motherbase in Peace Walker and it served the exact function. The ones in Phantom Pain is just a repeat of Peace Walker. Did Kojima forgot about Outer Heaven and Foxhound?
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MSF and Mother Base got destroyed.

Furthermore, the epilogue of GZ labels MSF at fault for the situation, which means the MSF brand is completely tarnished.
 
Nightengale said:
MSF and Mother Base got destroyed.

Furthermore, the epilogue of GZ labels MSF at fault for the situation, which means the MSF brand is completely tarnished.
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I don't think lad meant that.

More why build up MSF and Diamond Dogs, narratively. You only really need to tell the story of Big Boss building up one militia.

I'd assume it's because Kojima liked the base building mechanics, or maybe it was planned with Peace Walker that the destruction of MSF would serve as the narrative jumping off point for the Metal Gear Solid game after Peace Walker.
 
Alienous said:
I don't think lad meant that.

More why build up MSF and Diamond Dogs, narratively. You only really need to tell the story of Big Boss building up one militia.

I'd assume it's because Kojima liked the base building mechanics, or maybe it was planned with Peace Walker that the destruction of MSF would serve as the narrative jumping off point for the Metal Gear Solid game after Peace Walker.
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yah...like i mentioned elsewhere, Phantom Pain seems to be a 'remake' of sorts of Peace Walker with a bigger scope......just like MGS1 is a 'remake' of sorts of MG2: Solid Snake.....with all the similar encounters throughout...


Also, another things that urks me is that the technology in MGS5 (and even Peace Walker) seems too advanced to be in the 1970s........MGS3 had advanced technologies but in 'harsh harsh' terms......Peace walker and MGS5 just went full 'gundam/ghost in the shell' sci-fi and didn't even bother to explain.

The Metal Gear in the first MG1 game is a big deal. But MGS5 and peace walker all happened before MG1 and all the machines in those games are like more technologically advanced and could eat even Rex for breakfast..
 
lord_lad said:
Also, another things that urks me is that the technology in MGS5 (and even Peace Walker) seems too advanced to be in the 1970s........MGS3 had advanced technologies but in 'harsh harsh' terms......Peace walker and MGS5 just went full 'gundam/ghost in the shell' sci-fi and didn't even bother to explain.

The Metal Gear in the first MG1 game is a big deal. But MGS5 and peace walker all happened before MG1 and all the machines in those games are like more technologically advanced and could eat even Rex for breakfast..
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Continuity be damned, I want all the things in this game, and even more so since it's the last Metal Gear game. I finally get the 1984 future I've always wanted.
 
lord_lad said:
The Metal Gear in the first MG1 game is a big deal. But MGS5 and peace walker all happened before MG1 and all the machines in those games are like more technologically advanced and could eat even Rex for breakfast..
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Because being a fun videogame takes precedence over story consistency. Just relax and enjoy the videogame.

OverdriveOtaku said:
Continuity be damned, I want all the things in this game, and even more so since it's the last Metal Gear game. I finally get the 1984 future I've always wanted.
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He gets it.
 
lord_lad said:
yah...like i mentioned elsewhere, Phantom Pain seems to be a 'remake' of sorts of Peace Walker with a bigger scope......just like MGS1 is a 'remake' of sorts of MG2: Solid Snake.....with all the similar encounters throughout...


Also, another things that urks me is that the technology in MGS5 (and even Peace Walker) seems too advanced to be in the 1970s........MGS3 had advanced technologies but in 'harsh harsh' terms......Peace walker and MGS5 just went full 'gundam/ghost in the shell' sci-fi and didn't even bother to explain.

The Metal Gear in the first MG1 game is a big deal. But MGS5 and peace walker all happened before MG1 and all the machines in those games are like more technologically advanced and could eat even Rex for breakfast..
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You almost make it sound like the Metal Gear series is grounded in reality and makes any sense at all.

Remember, MGS3 takes place in a jungle in Russia, has a plot centered around the most inane reason for building a giant tank that anyone could possibly have come up with, a 3 hour long bossfight against a man who has lived for over a century presumably through the power of photosynthesis and a guy who fights with weaponized bees.

Tl;dr
Don't worry 'bout it, yeah? It's fiiiiiiiinnee. Trust me.
 
Nova Bovington said:
You almost make it sound like the Metal Gear series is grounded in reality and makes any sense at all.

Remember, MGS3 takes place in a jungle in Russia, has a plot centered around the most inane reason for building a giant tank that anyone could possibly have come up with, a 3 hour long bossfight against a man who has lived for over a century presumably through the power of photosynthesis and a guy who fights with weaponized bees.

Tl;dr
Don't worry 'bout it, yeah? It's fiiiiiiiinnee. Trust me.
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Is that the case, or is it set in a jungle that was Soviet controlled/owned territory?

I was never clear on that.
 
Alienous said:
Is that the case, or is it set in a jungle that was Soviet controlled/owned territory?

I was never clear on that.
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it is in russia.......the sokolov research facility is in there and that's why President Johnson is so eager to get rid of the boss after Volgin launch the nuke...because it is an american made warhead exploded INSIDE Russia........that will be an act of war if not properly managed and the US cannot proved it is innocent (which of course it isn't).
 
Alienous said:
Is that the case, or is it set in a jungle that was Soviet controlled/owned territory?

I was never clear on that.
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Soviet territory, not actually Russia. In the opening cutscene of MGS3, that the plane Snake jumps out of is crossing the border from Pakistan, which puts Tselinoyarsk in a modern day Tajikistan/Afghanistan sort of area. It might not be that far from the Afghanistan level in TPP, funnily enough.
 
Nova Bovington said:
You almost make it sound like the Metal Gear series is grounded in reality and makes any sense at all.

Remember, MGS3 takes place in a jungle in Russia, has a plot centered around the most inane reason for building a giant tank that anyone could possibly have come up with, a 3 hour long bossfight against a man who has lived for over a century presumably through the power of photosynthesis and a guy who fights with weaponized bees.

Tl;dr
Don't worry 'bout it, yeah? It's fiiiiiiiinnee. Trust me.
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I always loved how they justified every character speaking english (or japanese) in MGS3 when Sokoloc tells Snake "You're russian is great!". What a great little detail that tells the audience that even though you hear them in english they're all supposedly speaking russian. And all without adding stupid russian accents to the characters.

We need more games that do this and less Assassin's Creeds set in Italy with characters speaking italian accented english.
 
Alienous said:
Is that the case, or is it set in a jungle that was Soviet controlled/owned territory?

I was never clear on that.
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It never was made too clear (nor does it make much sense anyway), since it's always referred to as 'The Soviet Jungle' and the location doesn't matter to the story much outside the fact that it's Soviet territory. The post below is correct however, so I guess the location isn't that much of a stretch. Still tho...

matrix-cat said:
Soviet territory, not actually Russia. In the opening cutscene of MGS3, that the plane Snake jumps out of is crossing the border from Pakistan, which puts Tselinoyarsk in a modern day Tajikistan/Afghanistan sort of area. It might not be that far from the Afghanistan level in TPP, funnily enough.
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He got extracted from that mission via the Fulton Recovery System too. Made me go "Wow, neat!" when they first showed the FRS in MGSV.
 
Nova Bovington said:
It never was made too clear (nor does it make much sense anyway), since it's always referred to as 'The Soviet Jungle' and the location doesn't matter to the story much outside the fact that it's Soviet territory. The post below is correct however, so I guess the location isn't that much of a stretch. Still tho...



He got extracted from that mission via the Fulton Recovery System too. Made me go "Wow, neat!" when they first showed the FRS in MGSV.
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you should have seen plenty of fulton extraction if you played peace walker.
 
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