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SomedayTheFire
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He doesn't like Metal Gear Solid.
Rin Tohsaka
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Dan "I think that's Campbell" Ryckert
Definitely looking forward to his review. Love his MGS articles/thoughts.
snake_eater_raiden
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My apologies but I disagree. Metal Gear never really existed before the 1998 version. The first two games were never really popular out of Japan. It was the 1998 version with long cutscenes, great boss battles etc that gave the series a worldwide fame.
That's true. I wasn't sure if it would be him or Jeff.
Ah, sorry, misunderstood. Yeah this would be a very nice addition.
Neff
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This sounds absolutely perfect. Can't wait.
Kamiya idolises Kojima (mostly because of Snatcher), but he's not interested in Metal Gear, and he's never played any of them. Also, he's probably been asked about MGSV a million times this week.
Absolutely not. He was tweeting about how others were able to review the event while he's blacklisted and saying it's totally worth it etc.
Freedom = $1.05
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Lol. Okay, whatever.
i mean
look at the username
you weren't expecting a reasonable debate right?
People are still whining that this isn't metal gear because it does the story different? Even with the reviews its getting? Without even playing the game? Are people really hurting that much for the mess that was MGS4 and it's absurd cutscenes? All I've heard about MGSV's story makes me more excited.
thespartin
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Thats what confuses me. The story was my favorite part of MGS, and now reviewers are giving it GREAT reviews and talking about the lack of story. Guess everyone finds something different to love about this series.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I kinda feel Metal Gear as a series, given its 28 years running, diversity in ideas and settings and stories, transitions between hardware and the strengths that brings to game development, and the various entry points fans have come in has given the franchise a Zelda like quality where people have different ideas of what constitutes as the most important parts of a Metal Gear game for them. There are some fans who, from their perspective, simply use the gameplay as short vessels between Hollywood-like produced in-engine cinematics for an excessively convoluted story. There's some more fascinated by what each game brings to the table in play, boss fights, and stealth. And the rest of the fans fall somewhere in between on the (lets call it) Kojima scale.
I mostly agree with duckroll's interpretation of the most consistent, reoccurring franchise tropes that define its identity. And also that each game seems to change things up a bit and introduce new things that by default are change, but better/worse depends on the person playing.
Like I don't think you can say the series is all about Hollywood style cinematics in excess, because you're really ignoring the first two MSX games that hadn't the tech to accomplish this. Solid introduced this style, and even so it can't be ignored that drastic changes and evolution of the stealth systems in play were just as important with each entry. MGS4 and PW are probably the only two oddballs that disrupted the pattern a bit, the former leaning much heavier towards narrative/cinematics and themes over play, and the latter adding to play some major concepts that don't directly correlate to "tactical stealth" (like Monster Hunt style co-op bosses).
I mostly agree with duckroll's interpretation of the most consistent, reoccurring franchise tropes that define its identity. And also that each game seems to change things up a bit and introduce new things that by default are change, but better/worse depends on the person playing.
Like I don't think you can say the series is all about Hollywood style cinematics in excess, because you're really ignoring the first two MSX games that hadn't the tech to accomplish this. Solid introduced this style, and even so it can't be ignored that drastic changes and evolution of the stealth systems in play were just as important with each entry. MGS4 and PW are probably the only two oddballs that disrupted the pattern a bit, the former leaning much heavier towards narrative/cinematics and themes over play, and the latter adding to play some major concepts that don't directly correlate to "tactical stealth" (like Monster Hunt style co-op bosses).
Oh, okay, thanks. I misinterpreted that tweet as him saying that MGSV is totally worth it because I have a one-track mind at the moment.
I will say that open-world games evolving beyond the '100s of shitty mini-objectives on a map with a tepid main mission thrown in anchored to middling game mechanics' is a pretty cool development in gaming 2015. Not every game needs the variety of things to do as GTA, and we certainly don't need any more 'UbiWorld' games. Gonna give Shadow of the Collosus credit for being the first to break the mold, way back when, lol.
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Deleted member 47027
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lol, you don't get to pick and choose what's Metal Gear though, pal.
He's a hater idklmao?
His username suggests that he is the chosen one though.
Although snake eater raiden does give me a giggle....
I've read some reviews/previews and I'm far more interested in the game than I was before. There aren't a lot of open world stealth games so seeing it apparently done right sounds really appealing. I don't mind the reduced focus on cutscenes as Ground Zeroes was really fun to play and whatever story is there should be interesting based on what I've read.
Also not having to stop and listen to the Codec all the time if you want to hear most of the conversations sounds great to me. Being able to listen to tapes while travelling to your objective sounds a lot better to me.
Also not having to stop and listen to the Codec all the time if you want to hear most of the conversations sounds great to me. Being able to listen to tapes while travelling to your objective sounds a lot better to me.
Sickboy007
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Tapes are also very appropriate because of the whole cassette culture which was the main mean of communication for Afghani mujaheddin and their sympathisers in the 1980s.
So, if you're roaming the desert and stumble upon a 20 minutes long tape on war and its moral justifications, well, that's more realistic than you might have thought!
I know they've been around since Peace Walker and this is purely coincidental, but it doesn't make it any less cool.
So, if you're roaming the desert and stumble upon a 20 minutes long tape on war and its moral justifications, well, that's more realistic than you might have thought!
I know they've been around since Peace Walker and this is purely coincidental, but it doesn't make it any less cool.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Review events suck, full stop. I don't give a shit how much time you're allocated or whatever. You're unable to play at your own pace, in your own comfort, and within your own control. It's a crock of shit. You can't boot up the game whenever you want to replay things or fact check or simply re-experience content. You can't marathon based on your own schedule, you have to work within theirs. You get what you're given, finish as much as you can in X amount of time, and catch you later. It's a controlled environment through and through, and I don't give a fuck if you finished the game during; you're not qualified to review it.
Our journo could only spend three hours there. He's fairly new to the series, so instead of tugging our cocks and pretending like we're experts on the series based on three hours of controlled environment play, we put it up as a preview from the perspective of someone going in relatively fresh.
I sympathise with journos who hate the situation, but I'm not treating controlled reviews as developed, committed, articulated analysis of a game's strengths and weaknesses. Rushing to get content out in time for the embargo drop is bad enough. Review events are piss incarnate.
Yes, but unfortunately what you define as Metal Gear matters only to you, because you didn't invent nor direct nor design the series that indisputably started in 1987. You're free to be disappointed, subjectivity and taste and all that. But please.
Our journo could only spend three hours there. He's fairly new to the series, so instead of tugging our cocks and pretending like we're experts on the series based on three hours of controlled environment play, we put it up as a preview from the perspective of someone going in relatively fresh.
I sympathise with journos who hate the situation, but I'm not treating controlled reviews as developed, committed, articulated analysis of a game's strengths and weaknesses. Rushing to get content out in time for the embargo drop is bad enough. Review events are piss incarnate.
Yes, but unfortunately what you define as Metal Gear matters only to you, because you didn't invent nor direct nor design the series that indisputably started in 1987. You're free to be disappointed, subjectivity and taste and all that. But please.
I'm not sure it matters what the entry points were so much as what it was when it grabbed you. I played both Metal Gears as a kid but never really gave a fuck about the series until it went Solid. (And even then I wasn't really enticed back until the MGS2, and had to work backwards).
I don't care what it began as so much as what the core parts of the experience were when it started to truly engage me.
As for review events, agreed entirely, and Eurogamer proves they're a cut above yet again by refusing to review under those conditions.
Anyway, this game leaves me in the odd position of genuinely believing that cutting the bullshit, focussing on the gameplay and finally getting an 'editor' to cut down Kojima's worst excesses with dialogue and cutscenes will make for a far, far better videogame than the likes of MGS4, yet strongly desiring that we got a weaker, more unfocussed videogame for nostalgia's sake. It ain't rational, but hey, this is entertainment not politics, I can afford to be irrational.
I don't think Greg Miller's review really spoils much of anything unless you're unfamiliar with how open world games structure their missions or how Peace Walker did things.
Kojima's always been a better game designer than a movie director as far as I'm concerned. The story and cutscenes were just what elevated. And it's not like MGS4 wasn't a step up in ways from MGS3 in gameplay either, the game just got severely sandwiched among cutscenes.
Kojima's always been a better game designer than a movie director as far as I'm concerned. The story and cutscenes were just what elevated. And it's not like MGS4 wasn't a step up in ways from MGS3 in gameplay either, the game just got severely sandwiched among cutscenes.
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Anyone saying it isn't a Metal Gear game, besides the creators, is wrong. Nobody gets that choice. Not unlike DmC vs DMC4, they're both Devil May Cry and people just gotta deal with it.
I still think that hiding a full, more satisfying ending behind every single mission that's not part of the main story, in an open world game, is somewhat of a shitty thing to do. You're basically forcing the player to go through stuff that he might not be interested in just to see the complete ending.
You're having fun with the riddles. I'm loathing them already and I have more than 200 to go.
I'm sure I will feel the same with MGSV, specially since it seems to be a longer game. It's is what it is though.
My hype is still fully blazing. So many questions.
What happened in the 9 year coma?
How will the hospital go down?
Who is Ishmael?
How does Skull Face/XOF fit into this?
Will we see Outer Heaven rise from Mother Base?
How will Les Enfant Terrible play out?
Etc etc. And as a Linguist the whole story about linguistic determinism has me hyped as fuck. I'll listen to every tape, explore every side-op, observe every conversation I can. This is the only game I'll need for months.
The wait is torture.
What happened in the 9 year coma?
How will the hospital go down?
Who is Ishmael?
How does Skull Face/XOF fit into this?
Will we see Outer Heaven rise from Mother Base?
How will Les Enfant Terrible play out?
Etc etc. And as a Linguist the whole story about linguistic determinism has me hyped as fuck. I'll listen to every tape, explore every side-op, observe every conversation I can. This is the only game I'll need for months.
The wait is torture.
DaSorcerer7
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This. Exactly what I wanted after MGS4.
When I was 12 the story of MGS is what made that game special and the story of MGS4 is what made that game nearly unplayable. Yes, 4's story is much worse than the original MGS's but there was a lot of novelty to a game with full voice acting and cinematic cutscenes. Now that gaming has evolved cutscenes are kind of regarded as a obtuse way to communicate a story.
Plus, it's a really goofy story. Watching those "MGS explained in X minutes" in the other thread nailed how completely ridiculous it is. Other clone brother who is also the President of the United States sounds like something I'd make up as a kid. People recommending that you play the games in order so you can get accustomed to the absurd world of MGS reminds me of how ex-Scientologists say they never told people about Xenu and all that other stuff until they were deep into it because if they were told about it immediately they just turn around and walk away.
GreyOcelot
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exactly. i think kojima is better qualified to make that call than rando gaf user
Instead of "less story" I think people should change that to "unconventional story presentation". It's just that instead of 20min cut scenes you'll have the story told through gameplay and other means - it doesn't mean that there will be less. Something that makes the gaming medium distinct from films.
MrS
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What could be worse than getting paid to play MGS for 4 days? The horror, the horror.
There's no way every mission could be S ranked since last Tuesday, surely?
Some people did, at least that's what they think lol.
Greg Miller played for over 54 hours and got overall completion 49%.
So i highly doubt any of the other reviewers got to 100% yet, maybe something happens then? would be a very Kojima thing to do something but nobody knows for sure.