Rap is black music, but Eminem does it better than black artists according to 50cent

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If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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Think about the kids Phoenix
 
"does it better than black artists..." I mean, he did it better than most artists at a point. Regardless of race. I personally don't think he was ever the absolute BEST. But he's got classic albums.

There's a bunch of artists that I'd rate over Em and some are black. Also, rap music is more collaborative than most people make out. Can you do something "better" than black people when they had an integral role in creating the sound of your classics?
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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GODDAMN!

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DrGonzo615 said:
Link is here

Im paraphrasing in the topic title but what say you? Is he wrong about rap being "black music"? Is Eminem the best?
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There's no way Eminem is the best. I mean, assuming you have listened to any other significant amount of rap music.
 
50 only blew up like he did because of em/dre, so this isn't a surprising coming from him
but let's be real, em is not the GOAT. yes his skill is undeniable but he just can't make a great album. mmlp, sslp, and the tes, are all good albums.

pd with the #truthfacts
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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lmao
 
I feel "Hip Hop" has a black oirign, but "Rap" is just rhyming words. I dunno, even minnesinger did that back in the middle ages.
 
People arguing about that shit is ridiculous, everyone who likes hip-hop likes something/someone else pretty much (about hip-hop) nowadays...
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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Elevated their souls to heaven and choke slammed them shits back down. Damn.
 
Dali said:
Rakim doesn't even curse in his lyrics.
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And is a god:
https://youtu.be/xpU6FRYpKAk

When I die go bury me and my notebook in cairo
With the great God from egypt manifest was write rhymes
Align with the stars, I come back to bless the mic
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genius.com said:
Ancient Egyptian kings were associated with Osiris, who represented the constellation of Orion. The pyramids in Cairo were used to bury the king (Rakim) and his possessions (rhyme book). Also, the three pyramids of Giza in Cairo line up to Orion’s belt (three stars).

Rakim follows the same ritualistic path as the deceased king and is reborn anew to bless the MIC.
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(Rakim does say 'shit' once that I know of in 'My Melody')
 
Rap is black music and Eminem is one of the best rappers ever, so obviously he does better than the majority of black rappers. If he is the best of all time, it's debatable, but he is my favorite rapper.
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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Damn.
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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So much truth packed into a single post.
 
I'm not sure what the intricate differences of hip-hop and rap are (not a huge follower of the genre(s) but Beastie Boys are my favourite white rappers/hip-hop musicians. Intergalactic is my jam. I used to like Eminem's older albums, none of his new stuff I've liked.
 
Eminem is the most technically gifted rapper of all time.
Unfortunately outside of his earlier career records its like listening to a master guitarist play solos insessantly...for all that skill he's said nothing worthwhile for over a decade.
 
hobblygobbly said:
I'm not sure what the intricate differences of hip-hop and rap are (not a huge follower of the genre(s) but Beastie Boys are my favourite white rappers/hip-hop musicians. Intergalactic is my jam. I used to like Eminem's older albums, none of his new stuff I've liked.
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If you haven't listened to Paul's Boutique, stop what you're doing and listen to it right now.
 
PhoenixDark said:
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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Masterful post.
 
Em is technically one of the best rappers but his subject matter and discography are trash. He's been a dirty ass 11yr old his whole life and one of rap's bigger disappointments. Not even in my top 25.

It's unfair what PhoenixDark did to Eminem. I don't think the gif for that has been created yet.
Sol.. said:
Well, he certainly wasn't no Haystack.
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Lmao fuck, you invoked Haystack. I'm going to listen to "I Reckon" as soon as I get home.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.
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It's funny because Nas feels like the best comparison for Eminem's career arc from a critical (not commercial) perspective.
 
inner-G said:
Eminent raps fast and has punchy lines but his lyrics don't have the same weight and substance as Rakim's
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It was surprising hearing him fawn over Eminem during that French interview a few years back, to the point where he questioned how many black rappers were better than Eminem.

Some of Eminem's early lyricism is clever, but on the whole not really the type of hip hop I listen to.
 
Hasn't this been Eminem's appeal since he first came on the scene? He has mentioned this in his own lyrics. He's a talented MC despite not being of the race that started the genre. Ymmv on whether he is the Goat.
 
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