Rap is black music, but Eminem does it better than black artists according to 50cent

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Beastie Boyz get next to no respect even though much of their work is critically acclaimed and seen as classics. Sad really.

SSLP is probably the closest Em has been to making a classic album.

I truly agree with this. You never hear people praising the Beastie Boys like on the level of Em. It's rather depressing because they pretty much bridged the gap between Rock and Hip Hop along with Run DMC/Aerosmith.

Plus their discography>>>>>
 
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.

Ain't that the truth
 
I wouldn't know if I have the knowledge to say Eminem is the best but he is undoubtedly one of the best. He is still better than most of the rappers out there.
 
I still find it funny about this "black music" mindest when the majority of the music popular today is techncially "black music" WW, or came from an older genre by them.
 
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.
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I like Eminem, but I haven't cared for his current output of music. That doesn't take away from him as a rapper to me, I just think my taste has changed since then. On a technical level, I consider him really strong, but I don't know about the best. The efforts put forth to discredit him are pretty ridiculous, though, stop being salty.

Del + Dan the Automater is the best it gets for me. Del's current solo output has been ass, though. Like really ass.
 
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Eminem's output has been poor since his second CD in my opinion. But rap music is for everyone regardless of race ita akl about skill and everyone knows
Beastie Boys
are better than Eminem
 
It was surprising hearing him fawn over Eminem during that French interview a few years back, to the point where he questioned how many black rappers were better than Eminem.

Some of Eminem's early lyricism is clever, but on the whole not really the type of hip hop I listen to.

Not to me it wasn't. Em is a fantastic lyricist. Its anything BUT surprising to hear actual MC's praise his talent. The hate is generally from try hards on the internet, NOT from within the industry itself. There's a list as long as the nile from people within the industry that respect Em.
 
I completely accept that.



In all honesty I am probably the worst judge since I'm a suburban kid from Cali but man I loved Em when I was younger. He just blew my mind. I had never heard a rapper sound that amazing on a technical level before.

I think everyone loved late 90's early 2000's Em. He had an ability to relate to the teenage angst of many people back then, which is why many of Em's biggest supporters to this day were around 10-17 during his prime(Tyler, The Creator is probably the artist closest to replicating this lyrically).....but that was almost 15 years ago. If we're talking about overall discography or even the artists of now, he isnt close to the top.

However, if we're purely talking about the ability to sell records, which I believe 50 was talking about based on how he kept mentioning sales, then yes, Em is most definitely the best there is in hip hop.

Beastie Boys
are better than Eminem

ofc
 
I don't understand why opinions have to be so simple. The Beastie Boys are not great lyricists but had catchy hooks and their production was always great. Eminem is a great lyricist, but always had shitty hooks and his production after MMLP sucked.

Better?

Also, comparing Eminem with DMX in any way is ridiculous and doesn't deserve comment, let alone the 500 quotes of PD's shitty post.
 
yeah, i can see why em fans in here would ride for kenny's "I"

we really going to entertain a troll's opinion?

2 pages of thread say yes

Eminent is the best, although he will never get credit for it.

oh yeah, dude's totally underrated & never comes up in GOAT talk everywhere like ali in boxing threads

Deliverance>>>>anything after The Eminem Show.

okay i can cosign this bit, yeah

i don't wanna be like this
i don't really wanna, hurt no feelings
but i'm only bein real when i say, nobody wants to hear they grandfather rap

damn, nobody asked for this clinic b

If you haven't listened to Paul's Boutique, stop what you're doing and listen to it right now.

this is actually excellent advice right here

Jay-Z v 50 Cent should've happened. Instead we got subliminal shots and shade throwing since 2003.

i forget, did jay ever go past "im about a dollar/what the fuck's a 50 cent"?

I love talking down to white people about their rap music views.

i'm a high level CAC myself and this is one of my favorite pastimes as well

Yeah, Eminem is totally the best. That's why he has never had a universally acclaimed release.

Slay honey.

http://www.metacritic.com/person/eminem

damn, the modern-day "why no 5 mics in the source" right here
KRS taught ya'll nothing

Also, comparing Eminem with DMX in any way is ridiculous and doesn't deserve comment, let alone the 500 quotes of PD's shitty post.

true, i can still revisit DMX's first 2 classics without cringing
 
i was late to the El-P game but damn i love dude

Eminem isn't even the best white rapper ra the rugged man shits all over him.

real talk, some of ya'll on about technical gifts should really hit this up

Dat "Dark and Hell is Hot" though....

still flames to this day.

shit makes you feel like you can double your max at the gym, phew

Riff Raff is the best white rapper tbh.

...let's not get crazy now, ya'll already dragged yelawulf's struggle into this mess
 
his music is mom's spaghetti. great beats, rhymes spaghetti. lyrically one of the best spaghetti. 50 cent is right when he says rap is black music but eminem does mom's spaghetti.
 
I really can't stand when shit gets categorized as "a black" thing. But to stay on subject Em is just filthy on the mic, no one can touch him. Maybe if Big L or Big were alive though
 
Rap is "black" music in that black people largely invented it, just like how Latin people largely created salsa. But just like salsa, it certainly isn't something only black people do. 50 probably didn't think that far, but it's okay; going bankrupt can mess with your normal logic of thinking.

And no, Eminem isn't the best, never was the best, and will never be the best. But it's okay; you're obviously going to be biased to someone you personally spent millions into building up into a star.
 
Eminem back in the day did have incredible rhymes. I always just figured maybe the reason I thought it was so good was because I was white and he was white and what he was doing was appealing to me more as a white person.

He's fallen off in a big way, though. I can't listen to him now, just like I can't listen to most modern rap. I thought rap god was atrocious.
 
If you're familiar with 50 Cent on even the most basic level you recognize that he is a troll instigator and also views everything through the lens of money and/or success. His shots at Jay-Z in that video expose what his agenda was. He's bigging up his man, I get it. But he's also conflating success with being "the best."

What is Eminem the best at? He was once a great technical rapper but his style is largely mined from Masta Ace and G Rap. Is anyone going to seriously argue Eminem is a better rapper than G Rap? Go ahead so I can laugh at you. 50 is from Queens, he knows better.

Let's look at albums. Does Eminem have a classic album? And if so does he have one that stands up well against the best work of just about any rapper who is considered great? I'm sure there are some 20 year old white people on this forum who would love to wax poetic about why the Marshall Mathers LP is superior to Illmatic or Ready To Die but people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

What about lyrics. Are his similes, methaphors, or storytelling comparable to the greats? Again I'm sure someone here will argue Eminem has surpassed Nas on each of these levels but once again, people who actually listen to hip hop know better.

If Eminem wins any contest it would be the "90s rapper who fell off the hardest" award, and even then he might just share the trophy with DMX (or Prodigy...). Listen to his music today. Yelly, off beat, lyrically embarrassing. He's so obsessed with the the technical aspect of his flow that the beat and tone of the record don't matter to him. It's like listening to someone try to cram a dictionary into a 10 page picture book; after all, what better analogy is there for the cookie cutter production he selects than a picture book.

I really liked Eminem when I was a kid in 1999. But the idea of listening to a man in his 40s rap about raping celebs, pooping on people, etc in 2015 has no appeal to me. Nor do his meaningless, generic "if you work hard you can achieve it" anthems move me. Dude is trash today, admit it and grow the fuck up.

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Harsh but fair
 
I remember watching the top 10 rappers of all time on BET randomly one day. They were basing it on talent / album sales / etc. Ended up being Em at #1 easily and all the hosts were upset about it. Racists.
 
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