Correct. But only one of us is asserting his race with absolute certainty. I think that Dudley is Indian, but Imm0rt4l is acting like he knows that he's black.
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Shadoken
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Thats what he's trying to say , he's not saying Dudley being black is outright wrong or anything. But just that he feels Dudley is indian.
Some people in this thread were going up and arms at the very mention that dudley could be Indian. And bringing up other instances where non-steretypical black characters were questioned. Personally I think Dudley is black too , just another Capcom fighter reference to Evander like Balrog to Tyson. But the other side also has points. Am not gonna call people racist for questioning his race.
first two points are reaching further than dhalsim. The freddie mercury nod is the most compelling bit of evidence, but then there would be no real reason to believe that he was Indian until his debut in sf4.
My thinking as far as his design is stereotypes.
Black boxers come a dime a dozen, I'm not really familiar with Indian boxers thought there very well may be some notable ones. Not that there would have to be in order to create one.
He has distinctly british features/dress/personality because pugilism began in Great Britain.
Seemingly modeled after Chris Eubanks from his mannerism, dress, philosophy and eloctution. Peep his alt 2. He's the anti mike tyson/balrog.
Remapped88
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Yeah I know he does that, I was mostly just talking about his color which is tanned compared to his normal self so basically a very "tanned" white guy. The poster was talking about Dudley being a tanned white guy and it just made no sense to me at all considering he's from Britain of all places.
Also speaking of that, Urien would look f'in awesome in SFV if his intro is similar to his SF3 one. After his transformations, him being slightly shiny like how bodybuilders look would be a neat effect I think.
If they were playing it safe we wouldn't get the alpha characters. Capcom are consciously ignoring SF4 roster because they don't want to repeat it and thats not what most fans want.
For sure. His rolling thunder looks like like the Dempsey roll in the anime.
I remember something more substantial than theory being said years ago (but have no recollection of what). Maybe he read that or something.
Shadoken
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Alpha is pretty big in Japan , I think saleswise it stayed pretty close to SF2.
I just meant the format is similar to SF4s initial roster. Which had SF Alpha in it.
Where did I say I know that? I'm going to requote a post that encapsulates my feelings on the matter. I ultimately don't care seeing as capcom can easily turn birdie from white to black...err maybe Indian with the wave of a hand. It also doesn't help the way characters are portrayed in an anime esque sort of way.
This
I'm sure this has been addressed already, but I'm watching the PAX archive on twitch and just realized Mika's the first character w/ an English VO if I'm not mistaken. Did they say if each character's gonna speak their respective languages, or is just the standard Japanese/English format.
I'm assuming the former since Ken, Birdie, and Cammy have JP VOs, but wanted to ask anyway.
I'm assuming the former since Ken, Birdie, and Cammy have JP VOs, but wanted to ask anyway.
Alpha 2 has the best music, character and stage design
Japanese English format. There's a vid where you can here birdies cockles accent. It'll probably be like sf4.
Shadoken
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Yup , He could very well be mixed.
Gamescom build added English VOs for everybody, it's probably gonna be like SF4 with a JP/EN option.
Oh right, I dunno if these have been getting posted in here but Capcom UK put up a new World Warriors video with R. Mika. It goes over the character's history a bit and does a playthrough of Alpha 3. The end has a clip of her in SFV, plus a bonus clip.
They really aren't. Indians are the largest minority group in the UK. It wouldn't be unreasonable for Capcom to want to represent that.
Once again: so what? This is a moot point. Most famous ninja are Japanese, not Spanish like Vega, and most famous capoeiristas are Brazilian, not Kenyan like Elena. Dudley is a fictional character. There doesn't have to be a famous British Indian boxer for Dudley to be British Indian.
KidA Seven
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English voice actors have been in since the gamescon build as I remember Necalli's english voice.
That bonus clip...
Mika is so much more endearimg than sakura
Hey look man, you do you. You are cherry picking your leaps in logic while dismissing leaps in character design, vega is a spanish matador so that is moot. Elena is african, no doubt capoeiristas are Brazilian but the history is more nuanced in its african origin and was likely poorly researched.
English voice acting has been in the game since the Gamescom build. We'll likely see this in Phase 2 of the beta.
Troubled Bat
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I love R. Mika's English voice. It sounds exactly like it does in the Japanese version, but in English. 
Yeah, it is. The English voices were recorded in LA in December of last year. And it's through that pipeline I suspect the roster leaks came.
DryEyeRelief
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You're free to think dudley is indian. But I think it's like interpreting that Goku is white.
No one is stopping you from doing either. They even made a movie where the latter is true.
You're basically ignoring whole lot of reference material and like internalizing one detail because it's more comfortable.
like this
You give credit for Capcom to properly represent the UK in this way but you began all of this by saying that Dudley likely isn't black because he doesn't fit a "stereotype". As in, they are racist, not you.
Agreed. They really nailed the consistency in tone between the English & Japanese voices for Rainbow Mika.I love R. Mika's English voice. It sounds exactly like it does in the Japanese version, but in English.
That being said, the voice setting is likely gonna be set to English by default in the NA & EU releases of SFV (seeing as the English voice acting is set by default on the demo builds from Gamescom onwards).
Coulomb_Barrier
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Dudley is also loosely based on eccentric English boxer Chris Eubank (full name Christopher Livingstone Eubanks). You probably wouldn't see the influence if you live outside UK:
Chris is obviously black and a curious mix of boxer and posh. But I can easily see Dudley as being Indian actually.
Chris is obviously black and a curious mix of boxer and posh. But I can easily see Dudley as being Indian actually.
Hopefully they give the option to set language by character. I really liked being able to give the Japanese characters a Japanese voice in 4... (And Juri too because her Japanese voice actress sounds insaaaane)
Shadoken
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Idk Dragonball doesnt really have countries/races ( There are animals and shit walking and talking). Like does US/Japan even exist in that world ? It could very well be a fantasy Earth.
Thats not the case with SF , which very much set in the same world with the exact same countries/races.
Wait what am I talking about , Goku is a fking Saiyan. Hes not even Human lol.
They most likely will.
...for some of dat fight moneh
Gordon Shumway
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I'm just laughing at how long this conversation had been going..geezuz lol.
Dudley can be aesthetically inspired by Chris Eubank without sharing his ethnicity. Hugo is based on Andre the Giant, but Hugo is German and Andre is French.
We're all just arguing in circles, so it would probably be best to drop the Dudley discussion for now. We're free to view Dudley's ethnicity however we want.
DryEyeRelief
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I would pay good money for a native tongue voice pack.
You know, I could have sworn that years ago this question popped up on Capcom-Unity and someone from Capcom USA definitively said he was black. However, I've searched for this posting the last couple dozen times this debate happened on NeoGAF but couldn't find anything.
Shadoken
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Honestly hes the last person you should tweet. You can expect a troll reply.
Troubled Bat
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I do the same thing. xP If I don't like their English voices though, I'll switch it to Japanese.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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I didn't think about Dudley being Indian until this thread. But actually, weighing it all up, I'm leaning more towards him being Indian now.
The whole upper-class poshness of the character fits too well with India's colonnial relationship with the British and the type of people this creates.
Bobby Roberts
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So, where are faith levels in the Siliconera post now?
over 75%?
over 75%?
Shadoken
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I have never seen that character , but all I know is that its losely based on it. Afaik I still havent seen any real countries or races mentioned all the cities are generic like West City or w/e. And even the world map looks nothing like our planet. Dragonball barely takes it self seriously with these sort of aspects.
Goku for all intents and purposes is an Alien from planet Vegeta.
Its nothing like the Dudley discussion , where many things suggest he is of African origin but could very well be mixed or some other race too.
Its nothing really specific to Dudley , one could debate about Guy,Remy,Adon,Sagat racial origin whether they are mixed or w/e. Theres barely any info. I thought Ken was american until Capcom stated hes half Asian or something.
The Lone Dragon
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QFT.
I've heard people try to argue that Elena isn't 100% black, lol. Apparently, for some people if you aren't a caricature like Balrog or Dee Jay, you aren't black.
It's funny...no one questions that someone like Guile is 100% caucasian just because he looks caucasian. But the minute you bring up Dudley, Tanya from MK, Vanessa from VF, Lisa from DOA, suddenly people WANNA SEE THE RECEIPTS. PROVE IT! DID CAPCOM EXPLICITLY SAY THEY'RE BLACK?
Has Capcom ever explicitly said Guile is white?
BTW, apparently old concept designs for Dudley described him as black, according to the SRK Warrior's Fate thread, so...
DryEyeRelief
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This should have ended when I posted Lone Dragon's post
edit: speak of the devil
edit: speak of the devil
MegamanXZero
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He's clearly Asian.
Shadoken
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I dont see how bringing up those other characters, helps the Dudley argument. I could very easily just swap your logic with Indians and it would go.
" Apparently for some people if you aren't a caricature like Dhalsim ( Curry eating , Yoga man) , you aren't Indian.
Has Capcom every explicitly said Dhalsim is Indian ? He could very well be of African origin living in India too. "
See how it doesnt help any argument? Given the information we have on Dudley. I think he is most likely of African origin too.
( I really dont think Capcom would give a shit about Minority representation in the UK). But calling other people racist for thinking he could be Indian or Mixed is just stupid. Nobody is asking you to PROVE IT.
Maybe other people are arguing on these characters because they are of different races and can associate with them due to the similarities ?
As for Guile he is a blonde,White skinned American. There isnt really a lot of overlap for other races or countries. I guess You could stretch it and call him a middle eastern guy who dyed his hair ? if theres a lot of people who would do that for some reason.
DryEyeRelief
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I posted this info like 100 posts back and apparently that wasn't enough for a couple.
There's no proof of this. The guy who posted that in the SRK thread apparently has a history of inventing his own canon.
The Lone Dragon
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The issues in dispute had nothing to do with Dudley.
The issues in dispute were more about interpretation of Japanese and theories, not simple, factual yes-or-no questions. I was a regular in the thread. I remember the arguing quite well.
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