SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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Didn't Snake get sent back to his cell after each time he got tortured? Prime opportunity to go to the bathroom.

Also are we 100% positive there is actually a third ending? I forgot where that info even came from. A guide? Was it translated correctly or is it just speculation?
I think some reviewer mentioned a third ending that broke the fourth wall which was probably just the Venom is Big Boss ending because it shows your created character at the end.

But maybe there is some secret when you get 100%, I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
i got what happened, i just don't understand whose pin it was, why did it mean so much to the Boss. I just checked the Boss's wiki, and she meets David Ohh (Zero) that year.

It's a random new nameless character who was mentioned just as an excuse to give some backstory to the pin. The pin was just a plot device used as an excuse to have Skullface infect Zero which was used as an excuse to have Skullface be the antagonist of this game instead of actually addressing anything concrete about the ambiguous Zero-BB relationship dynamic.
 
It's a random new nameless character who was mentioned just as an excuse to give some backstory to the pin. The pin was just a plot device used as an excuse to have Skullface infect Zero which was used as an excuse to have Skullface be the antagonist of this game instead of actually addressing anything concrete about the ambiguous Zero-BB relationship dynamic.
Ewwww, I HATE when they do that
 
After MGS3 is when it went from "A little Anime with your Hollywood" to "A little Hollywood with your anime." MGS4 was the point where you knew whatever force was keeping MGS from being contaminated by the worst parts of Japanese Otaku culture had been crushed under the series' weight.

The fact that the guys at platinum noticed this and made a nod to it with that Solaris Security guard proves to me that the franchise would probably be better off in their hands going forward.

This was from a few pages back - I haven't played MG:R yet (have it sitting waiting, just haven't had the opportunity). What was the context of this "nod"? I'm just curious.

That stream will NOT play for me. I hope someone can upload the stream somewhere lol

For anyone having trouble with the stream - if you have a VPN, try switching it to a Russian server. I was barely able to load the thing and it stuttered terribly, but enabling and setting my VPN to Russia fixed everything.

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Narrative
So a buddy gave me a heads up about the streamer playing through Mission 46. I just finished watching it, and from a narrative standpoint it's basically what I had feared - there's no buildup to the Medic's character or history (aside from a couple superficial breadcrumbs) to indicate or give weight to the big twist. It's the opposite of the Sixth Sense example I mentioned a dozen pages ago - where all the histories, actions, and personalities of the characters are well established over the entire story and meshed together in such a way that big twist not only surprises viewers but still comes across as 'earned'.

In contrast, this one is just a big unearned "gotcha!" - there's nothing in place to support how this unimportant side character you've never met in any meaningful way turns out to be the biggest, most important character after all! Not to mention that it turns out Medic was in a coma for those 9 years (not secretly training - his skinny atrophied muscles are obvious when compared to Ishmael's athletic build in the hostpital section). To top it off, it wasn't his choice at all (Ocelot confirms that he will work to keep Medic fooled) which removes any heroic aspect on his own part.

I was hoping it wouldn't be so blunt, heavy handed, and out of left field as this. It's like a jump scare in a bad horror film - sure it surprised you, but it's a far cry from a well done piece of horror that can build suspense and dread artfully over the course of the film.

It's also another example of Metal Gear characters arbitrarily changing their entire personalities in order to suit the twist/theme. While Zero may have come up with the plan, the real Big Boss was totally complicit and even mentions having stuck around to watch over the Medic during his 9 year coma because he needed Medic to save him (this last bit comes from the tape when Medic/Venom is looking in the mirror), which is completely at odds with Big Boss's character development through MGS3 and Peace Walker.

But at the end of the day, can anyone really explain why this character was given so much importance? Of all the eccentric, fleshed out named characters with their own special histories available in the Metal Gear franchise, why this random background non-character would possibly be given the crown and scepter and proclaimed the end-all-be-all most important in the kingdom? It would be a bit like if an unnamed inn-keeper Arya bumps into early in Game of Thrones/ASOIAF was revealed to be an amnesiac dragon whisperer from ancient legend and the key to ending the entire series. From a purely story/narrative-driven perspective, it's weird at best and atrocious at worst.

Theme
So from a narrative standpoint, I think it's a big swing and a miss. From a macro 'theme' standpoint as it relates to the player (which Kojima is all about), it's sort of interesting, but not really as ballsy as what MGS2 attempted. The player creates the face of Medic, and Medic is ultimately supposed to the player's personal avatar in the MGS5 universe. What does this mean? Well both the player and Medic obviously thought they were the original, true Big Boss, and the revelation is supposed to allow both the player and Medic/Venom to share the same surprise and emotional resentment (maybe? Venom clearly smiles when the real Big Boss tells him that he is now the new Big Boss during the mirror cassette scene).

Personally, I still find it kind of weak. Sure the Medic/player are caught off guard, but does it really change anything you had just played? Unlike what MGS2 did, where the theme of failed expectations and the failure of emulating the past was built into the fiber of the game - revealing itself during every boss encounter and cut scene - this twist just caps off the very ending and retcons MG1.

It's also a bit strange because it seems to contradict what Kojima was doing in MGS2 in the first place. MGS2 was about the need to find individuality and distance one's self from cultural landmark heroes - about how Raiden needed to find his unique voice and not simply emulate Snake - and how his (and the player's) former training in MGS1 was ultimately not a suitable template for completing MGS2's scenarios despite looking superficially similar. The ending monologues in MGS2 make this abundantly clear, and the rest of the game design + cutscenes support that notion as well.

MGS5 on the other hand is basically the opposite - that mimicry of landmark cultural heroes is paramount and anyone can step into the shoes of a legend, even if unwittingly.

Miscellaneous Alternate Ideas
Just spitballing ideas off the top of my head - this twist would have had much more impact for me if my personal Medic avatar were introduced and made personally important to me much earlier. He should have been player created back in Ground Zeroes with the red herring explanation being that he would carry into Metal Gear Online as the player's permanent character. In Ground Zeroes, he could have been involved in tutorial missions and Side-Ops (again, under the guise that he's really for MG:O, but that universe sort of shares the single player one for Side-Ops). If the buddy system were ready as well, it would have been perfect to have a special GZ Side Op mission in which you get to "experience the new MGS5 buddy system by teaming up with your MG:O avatar" to complete the mission together (the player as Big Boss with their Medic avatar as the buddy).

Something along those lines, where enough misdirection is provided that players wouldn't think the character would really intersect the 'true' story in any meaningful way, but still establishes the character (player) within the MGS5 universe and his interaction with Big Boss - even if the player thought it was in a non-canon alternate universe type of side op scenario. With something like this, when the revelation came, the player would have a solid understanding that the Medic was not simply some random guy, but rather their own reflection personified in the game's world. The player would have possibly developed a personal connection with their own avatar, and would have recognized that "hey, I was running missions with Big Boss, we learned to fight and sneak together, and I just hadn't realized how important it was way back then."
 
TWO MORE DAYS UNTIL

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Why is he still playing ? Is the game not over yet? Will he finally build Outer Heaven ?

Edit: Oh he is still looking for Quiet. The game is still on. He is wearing the leather Jacket of the real Big Boss.
 
When are we thinking most people will get to see ending? A week and a half?

Those reactions will be priceless.

Are we expecting all negative fanboy outrage? At the end of the day, this isn't like ME3 where it basically ruins the entire franchise. It's not the greatest swansong, but it's not earth shattering.
 
Now that the whole game is spoiled I can skip every cutscene and establish my god emperor impenetrable FOB while people are still watching story sequences.

Spoilers confirmed the REAL way to experience games.
how pissed are you gonna be when I drop into your FOB with nothing but a tranq pistol and steal all your nukes?
 
Are we expecting all negative fanboy outrage? At the end of the day, this isn't like ME3 where it basically ruins the entire franchise. It's not the greatest swansong, but it's not earth shattering.

I thought it was, but it does have some of the worst dialogue in the whole series.
 
Every song is wisely chosen:

The Man Who Sold The World Lyrics:

We passed upon the stair,
We spoke of was and when,
Although I wasn't there,
He said I was his friend,
Which came as some surprise.
I spoke into his eyes,
"I thought you died alone
A long long time ago."

"Oh no, not me,
I never lost control
You're face to face
With the man who sold the world."

I laughed and shook his hand
And made my way back home,
I searched for form and land,
For years and years I roamed.
I gazed a gazley stare
At all the millions here:
"We must have died alone,
A long long time ago."

"Who knows? Not me,
We never lost control.
You're face to face
With the man who sold the world."

"Who knows? Not me,
We never lost control.
You're face to face
With the man who sold the world.

Anyone has a pic or gif of the mirror where the faces change ?
 
Are we expecting all negative fanboy outrage? At the end of the day, this isn't like ME3 where it basically ruins the entire franchise. It's not the greatest swansong, but it's not earth shattering.

There will certainly be a GAF thread solely about the big twist this week. "The Fury" isn't just the name of an MGS boss.

Also what is the nuke for you can develop in MB? Who are we nuking exactly?
 
Are we expecting all negative fanboy outrage? At the end of the day, this isn't like ME3 where it basically ruins the entire franchise. It's not the greatest swansong, but it's not earth shattering.

Yes because the first thing fans are going to think is MGS2 and the switcherroo.
 
There will certainly be a GAF thread solely about the big twist this week. "The Fury" isn't just the name of an MGS boss.

Also what is the nuke for you can develop in MB? Who are we nuking exactly?

Not a kitty?


Also the player was given the choice to kill SkullFace, Quiet and Huey, but he didn't. If he did, will that chnage the ending? Like seeing Venom Snake's horn growing longer or becoming the bloody zombie we saw in the launch trailer since he has sunken into the deepest abyss unlike the one in this playthrough where he had mercy.
 
There will certainly be a GAF thread solely about the big twist this week. "The Fury" isn't just the name of an MGS boss.

Also what is the nuke for you can develop in MB? Who are we nuking exactly?

When nukes were shown to be available on stream it also came with a message from Kaz saying you could create your own as a deterrent or raid other FOBs to decommission them. Not sure if it's solely an FOB thing but it's part of FOB at least.

Minus all the expected internet outrage at the story, I think a lot of people will be upset with the way the ending plays out. They might be expecting a big end boss fight but there is none. The actual last playable part before the ending is a literal re-do of the prologue lol
 

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There are so many people with avatars and whatnot idolizing "Big Boss" in TPP who are going to be so pissed.

Can you imagine how all the people who cosplayed as Venom Snake are gonna react? I think Nuclear doesn't even begin to describe how they're gonna feel ;-)

And in Ground Zeores, you picked a casette tape with an MSX save file on it. Now, in The Phantom Pain, we get a tape with "Operation Intrude" written on it that's put into an MSX data recorder cassette unit.

Anyone else getting a vibe about this supposed third ending?
 
So the only boss fight in this game was Sahalenthropus? Is that the cost of going open-world? Losing the tension of having memorable boss fights or having them to start with?
 
Any reason why the medic at the end of GZ looks a lot younger with brown hair compared to what is shown in PP? Is it just a retcon?

Also, at the end of GZ, there's both the medic and some random dude with a balaclava sitting in the back of the chopper. Who is the guy in the Balaclava? ANOTHER phantom/venom snake?
 
Grand Master Certificate is needed to unlock Raiden. That sounds like the rumor/truth earlier that you need all S rank in GZ for him.

Sounds like (from the descriptions) that having the Master/Grand Master certificates allows you to unlock stuff earlier than you normally would (or give you exclusive stuff).
 
Any reason why the medic at the end of GZ looks a lot younger with brown hair compared to what is shown in PP? Is it just a retcon?

Also, at the end of GZ, there's both the medic and some random dude with a balaclava sitting in the back of the chopper. Who is the guy in the Balaclava? ANOTHER phantom/venom snake?

That's just a placeholder character or something. The medic looks like what your created character looks like.
 
So the only boss fight in this game was Sahalenthropus? Is that the cost of going open-world? Losing the tension of having memorable boss fights or having them to start with?
Quiet, Eli, and the skulls are boss fights. Short but sweet.
 
Any reason why the medic at the end of GZ looks a lot younger with brown hair compared to what is shown in PP? Is it just a retcon?

Also, at the end of GZ, there's both the medic and some random dude with a balaclava sitting in the back of the chopper. Who is the guy in the Balaclava? ANOTHER phantom/venom snake?

From Fox two phantoms were born.
 
Quiet, Eli, and the skulls are boss fights. Short but sweet.

Yes I know, but they didn't seem so, they just felt like random battles, not even mini-boss battles: nothing like the epic MGS battles. Same happened with Peace Walker. It is the concept of both games that prevents epic boss battles.
 

Did anyone record this scene with audio?

And in Ground Zeores, you picked a casette tape with an MSX save file on it. Now, in The Phantom Pain, we get a tape with "Operation Intrude" written on it that's put into an MSX data recorder cassette unit.

Anyone else getting a vibe about this supposed third ending?

I thought the scene with the real big boss was the third ending? Skullface story = first ending. Quiet story = second ending.
 
I posted this a couple of days ago, still think it would really cool ;-)
I think that that when you import your Ground Zeroes save to the The Phantom Pain, it also works the other way round and will also import you avatar creation from The Phantom Pain back into Ground Zeroes. The Medic in Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain's flashback sequences will then look the same as the avatar you create in The Phantom Pain's hospital sequence.

I could be completely wrong, but it just seems a bit odd that if you create a black avatar in The Phantom Pain, that the Medic would still be white in Ground Zeroes. Also, keep in mind that the save transfer feature is currently blocked because of "online connectivity" that will lift on 1st September and that it's been said that ending is a "huge 4th wall break".
 
They might do that along with something else but no way its just that. Literally no one will care if the big thing is that your created character appears in a cutscene in GZ.
 
Yes I know, but they didn't seem so, they just felt like random battles, not even mini-boss battles: nothing like the epic MGS battles. Same happened with Peace Walker. It is the concept of both games that prevents epic boss battles.
Well it's a tall order to live up to. Before the one super easy strategy for Quiet was revealed I saw a player who took a day to defeat her.
 
Well it's a tall order to live up to. Before the one super easy strategy for Quiet was revealed I saw a player who took a day to defeat her.

What is the easy strategy?

Or maybe I don't want to know. The first time I fought the end in 3 was the most intense gaming experience of my life. Took me hours and I beat him in a sniper duel.
 
Just quoting this from above so it has it's own post ;-)
And in Ground Zeroes, you picked a casette tape with an MSX save file on it. Now, in The Phantom Pain, we get a tape with "Operation Intrude" written on it that's put into an MSX data recorder cassette unit.

Anyone else getting a nostalgic vibe about this supposed third ending?
 
I posted this a couple of days ago, still think it would really cool ;-)

Was the character created in the beginning of the game the same person we saw at the end of this walkthrough or will the medic always have the same appearance? If the appearance of the medic changes according to the profile created, then this may be possible and that may lead to many meanings to the game like : everyone could become Big Boss...
 
I still don't get it. The guide leaks say that Paz is a ghost while the playthrough (still running) confirms that she is real and Venom Snake brings her photos to make her remember and she is still in Mother Base at the moment of speaking even after the game is finished. Well the guide leaks say that Ishmael may not be the real Big Bossand just a hallucination but form what I saw, both Paz and Ihsmael are real and there is no doubt in that.
 
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